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Tom Crutchfield - dba Herps Ltd

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As long as I am in here today I might as well post a nice buying experience I had with Tom Crutchfield.

I bought 9 baby Emerald Tree Boas from him in late January. It was too cold to ship via FedEx so he Delta Dashed them at his suggestion.

They arrived - well packaed, all in good shape, and as advertised.

I can't stress enough how helpful and accommodating he was during the whole process and was very nice to talk to about the animals.

I have always heard this and that about different people in this business - but I can tell you that I am very pleased and I will order from him again without hesitation if I see something that he has that I want.

You have to deal with people directly sometimes to get the real picture.

Thanks,

Peter Jolles
 
Sheez - people I am sorry that my fingers are screwing the letters up on my keyboard as per above.

Believe it or not, I can spell.
 
Agreed.
I have spoken to Tom on several occasions at some of the Florida shows that he attends. He is very knowledgable and willing to share his experience.
 
Etb

Eric,

She is doing F A N T A S T I C !!!!

Man I love that snake. She is well fed and it is hard for me not to feed her every day.

I have held her several times and she has never offered to bite.

I can't relay to you enough about how satisfied I am with our trade.

How are the Red-Foots?
 
The Redfoots are doing what they do best: Eating, Pooping, and smearing themselves in it. I have a top tier adult pair coming to me either Friday or Saturday, so if anything I might have hatchlings later in the year
 
I'm not sure if I have ever dealt with Tom personally, or if it was just some of his employees, but I've been burned bad enough by that name to not risk another order...not even today (15 years later).

Hopefully it was just a few problems with the staff at that time, and I hope the ethics and business practices under that last name have improved since the days of the multi colored monthly mailing lists.
 
I second that...

Crutchfield is not a name I would be proud to be associated with. He burned me twice in the early 90's and I did not go for three with him. :hot:
 
It was amazing how important those neatly folded red, pink, lime green, or blaze orange price lists were to a 13 year old reptile enthusiast that had recently moved from a southern heaven, to the extreme cold of the north where there were few scaled critters to be found. I would study those damn lists all month till the next one would arrive, learning the latin names of every specie on them. I stared in amazement when the first albino american aligators showed up on it for $175,000 or the false gavials for $50,000. I would eagerly show my parents as they pretended to care.

After a year and a half of recieving these and after saving all I could working at a taxidermy shop skinning deer through the winter I decided to make my first reptile investment. I wanted to order a variety of colored amazon tree boas and breed them for certain traits. solid reds, solid yellows etc etc... anyway, long story short...I purchased the snakes from crutchfield and I wound up opening my first box...of enydris on their death bed. a couple had ruptured eyes, all were severely emaciated, the inside of the bags had bloody fecal matter in them, a few couldn't close their mouths, a few couldn't right themselves, etc... etc...kind of like getting coal in every box for your first Christmas ever, it just makes you wanna blow santas brains out. every snake was dead within the week. Of course I called and complained but whoever took the calls had little to no time for me and said they couldn't guarantee them because the shipper of their choice didn't deliver to my area (or something along those lines).

about 6 months later I had to try again (unfortunately at that time I thought crutchfields was all there was) This time I wanted to breed red eyes, and dendrobates histrionicus (at the time they were 25$ each on the list) so I ordered like 10 red eyes and they were out of histos so I just had to spend the rest, and I wound up getting 15 or so gold mantellas. anyway that shipment showed up early the next morning, I opened the box and every frog was completely dried out, as if they spent a week in a dehydrator. I assume what had happened was some one had put dried moss in each deli cup and forgot to moisten it when they added the frogs and shipped them to me. I called, yelled, screamed, etc etc...."sorry sir we do not guarantee live arrival on amphibians" some B.S. about how it was the shippers fault and..."CLICK".

The following Fall I had collected several nice fat tiger salamanders and of course I had no one else to sell them to at that time but the one and only world famous crutchfield. we agreed on a price and I shipped him 100 sallys. I got a call a week later and was told they weren't as big or as nice as they had expected and said they would only pay half. I got half my money 3 weeks later. Now I don't mean to toot my own horn, but the tiger salamanders I sell, were, and are some of the best in the country.

All in all...If I ever see they guy today I'd probably sac-tag him and walk away with a smile on my face. :firedevil

Thanks Tom, I learned alot.
 
I am sorry to open old wounds guys.

I also got those lists as a kid "Reptile Industries" I think it was --- in Bushnell,FL.

I bought a few things from him while in high school and I don't ever remember getting a bad deal.

Whatever -- I dealt with him last week and he was very nice and everything he sent to me was exactly as advertised.

- Peter Jolles
 
Tom

Tom gets an A+ in my book for RECENT DEALINGS. I am a younger herper and obviously had not encountered Tom in the days when he was a WHOLESALE GIANT. I would like to say now that things have changed far and far, I have been to Toms new store, meet with Tom a few times, and ordered a few animals off of Tom. He is done with the days of warehouses stocked with thousands of species. He now runs a small but well kept retail store in Miami Fl. Tom works hard to keep the place in tip top shape. The times I went store was clean, animals were healthy, and everything was just looking good. Now I understand some people hold old grudges, but is it really worth it for some snakes 15 years ago or whatever you had. Tom is a new guy with a new business and I believe that Tom deserves a second chance, whoever you are. :yesnod:
 
This ad is currently running on KS:

This is a nice 2-21/2' female Aru. She can be yours for $375 shipped. Call Tom Crutchfield @ 239-645-9661

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I do not know how to take screen shots so did cut/paste. I'm thinking that someone with as many years experience that it would be very easy for him to correctly identify the locale type of this green tree python he advertised. It is quite readily recognizable as a biak. Aru locale types simply do not change to green in this way.

I've seen many biaks misrepresented as other locale types, I sure wish this wasn't such a common practice.
 
The summer before last I bought some pastelish baby boas from Tom.
I paid , he shipped and one died two days later [he replaced it] and eventually all died. Now the packaging was less than better, box with some shredded newspaper and a snake bag in it with the snake in the bag.
I posted my experience in another thread here and I got some rather colorful calls from Tom at my house. Ya know threats about what he would do if he ever saw me, name calling ,,yadda yadda yadda. Looking forward to it :rolleyes:
I remember when I was younger and I would go to his place in southeast Florida and was amazed at all the animals. Now I am amazed he still does some business.
Never again with me
 
Realize this thread is a little old now, but I just came across Mr. Crutchfield's name in a post on KS and was shocked and more than a little dismayed to see that he is still operating in the reptile business. Somehow, I'd never made the connection that Tom works for/owns/whatever at Herps Ltd. in Miami.

Tom Crutchfield has a long and sordid past in the animal trade. He has been convicted, on at least two separate occasions that I'm aware of, in 1995 and 1998, on felony counts of animal smuggling (CITES and Lacey Act violations.) The first instance involved the importation of Fijian Island Iguanas, which are on the brink of extinction, and the second involved Madagascar ground boas, themselves highly endangered. Mr. Crutchfield's involvement in the illegal animal trade, however, was more long-standing and extensive then these two convictions reflect. In fact, he was the American contact and middle man of a large international smuggling ring operating out of Asia and Madagascar. As an interesting and pathetic footnote to his checkered history, Mr. Crutchfield fled to Belize (where I believe he ran or still runs an eco-tourism business) upon learning that he was under investigation in 1997, only to be jailed there for 5 months and eventually extradited back to the US to face charges stemming from his business relationship with the aforementioned smuggling ring.

Don't believe me? A google search of his name will turn up mountains of information that confirms everything I've said.

What I find extremely disturbing is that Mr. Crutchfield is back in the animal business. This is similar to a doctor with multiple convictions on his record for illegally prescribing narcotics (i.e. drug dealing) returning to medical practice. Not only would it be impossible to trust such an unscrupulous physician, but his continuing to practice would in itself likely constitute a violation of the law. Likewise, I find it hard to believe that there wasn't a condition in Mr. Crutchfield's sentencing (particularly after the second conviction on the very same charges) prohibiting him from further involvement in the animal business.

Some on this board might be inclined to let bygones be bygones, some might even oppose CITES regulations and think that we should be free to plunder the wild of its fauna at liberty. Maybe Mr. Crutchfield has found religion like certain other S. FLorida ex-smugglers...who knows? Sure, I believe in forgiveness and the human capacity for redemption, but it seems to me that Mr. Crutchfield ought to find a different business. I think the biggest favor he can do for us reptile hobbyist is to walk away from the community whose reputation he has done so much to tarnish with his criminal behavior.
Finally, I suppose that you just have to ask yourself when you're considering dealing with him: is this the sort of man I can trust?

I have no axes to grind and I'm not on a crusade. I just think people should know who they're dealing with.

-Marc
 
Marc, I suspect 90% of the readers of this thread know of Crutchfield's past. I am actually surprised that a post such as yours wasn't posted earlier than this. In any case, Tom paid his debt to society and appears to be doing things on the up and up, notwithstanding any service related problems. Until it's proven that he's gone back to his old ways my opinion is to give him another chance.
 
kmurphy said:
Marc, I suspect 90% of the readers of this thread know of Crutchfield's past. I am actually surprised that a post such as yours wasn't posted earlier than this. In any case, Tom paid his debt to society and appears to be doing things on the up and up, notwithstanding any service related problems. Until it's proven that he's gone back to his old ways my opinion is to give him another chance.
On the up and up ........? The boas I bought that all died doesn't sound like the up and up to me. Let me ask you something here...say a pediphile paid his dept to society....would you let him watch your kids :shrug01:
Ol Tommy called my house on two or three occasions and made some stoooopid threats after my first post about him in another thread. Yeah that is real up and up.
 
John, I thought I made it clear that I was only speaking of Marc's post and not about any current dealings. I wasn't forming an opinion as to whether he is a good or bad seller. If I didn't make it clear enough I apologize to you. In any case that's all I was speaking about.

John, I like reptiles, but I hardly equate smuggling in illegal animals to being a pedophile. I regard children much more highly than I do any animal.
 
Kevin, I take your point and agree with you that the pedophilia analogy is too extreme. I apologize for bringing up ancient history--it is not my intent to drag Crutchfield's name unnecessarily through the mud. It's just that the impression I got from reading this thread was that his past was being swept under the rug.

That being said, I still have some trouble getting my head around the fact that he's returned to the very business behind whose legitimate facade he has concealed his crimes in the past. Not only this, but he has a warehouse in an import/resale business in the world's most active throughport for animal smuggling--Miami. I do believe in the notion that one can repay one's debt to society in prison, but all of the deails of Mr. Crutchfield's current business venture suggest that, at the very least, he's surrounded by forbidden fruit. I hate to bring in another analogy, but this is like a recovering drug addict working in a DEA evidence locker...seems like there would be an awful lot of temptation in the air.

I think Mr. Crutchfield probably has some valuable contributions to make to the whole field of herpetoculture as an educator, but I have trouble taking it on faith that he's gone back to "above-the-board" business despite all the evidence from his past that would indicate the opposite. The best predictor of the future is the past. And, if nothing changes, nothing changes. And it certainly seems to me that nothing, outwardly, has changed.

Lastly, I wonder if anyone here can confirm that there was no condition of his sentence preventing him from dealing in animals anymore. As I mentioned last time, I'd be very surprised if there wasn't at least some type of restriction in place.

-Marc
 
Marc,
Part of his probation AFTER he served his time, was to have no contact with anyone in the Reptile Buisness, or have any snakes, etc. for a five year period.

Tom Crutchfiels HAS contributed a lot to herpetoculture.

I wish him continued success!

Randal Berry
 
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