Allen Belcher / Big Daddy's Wholesale ... WARNING

[critical bill]

Yeah well that's all nice and swell for one possible explanation of the current condition, but just flip to page one to view the photos that Bryon provided back in 2006. It doesn't seem like anything has changed since then. Same filth filled cages back then as it is now.

No excuses, play like a champion.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Chuck,
To those of us who actually do raise and sell a lot of animals, BESIDES posting here, we actually do take the time to clean up the background before we take a picture. It would seem academic to most of us. I would likely have a good laugh at a chameleon competitor of mine, who in photographing a stud for sale, neglected to realize there was a dead chameleon in the background. I get dead chameleons on occasion, so the issue is one of only whether or not I have the sense to not include them in my ads. Dittos for dirty water bowls.

I like you Chuck. You have made me laugh many times, with you btw. Have invited you down to drink my cold beer. Look forward to that day happening sometime. But to harp on Allen's water bowls as indicative of some cardinal sin .... well, its only venial to most of us. Whatever the thought process, why jump on RK ?

Have you tried Bud Light Lime ? Mmmmmm good !

 

[critical bill]

Chuck,
To those of us who actually do raise and sell a lot of animals, BESIDES posting here, we actually do take the time to clean up the background before we take a picture. It would seem academic to most of us. I would likely have a good laugh at a chameleon competitor of mine, who in photographing a stud for sale, neglected to realize there was a dead chameleon in the background. I get dead chameleons on occasion, so the issue is one of only whether or not I have the sense to not include them in my ads. Dittos for dirty water bowls.

I like you Chuck. You have made me laugh many times, with you btw. Have invited you down to drink my cold beer. Look forward to that day happening sometime. But to harp on Allen's water bowls as indicative of some cardinal sin .... well, its only venial to most of us. Whatever the thought process, why jump on RK ?

Have you tried Bud Light Lime ? Mmmmmm good !

The key words were Bud Light Lime, Jim. Everything else is completely unimportant. Looking forward to getting some time off soon to make it down your way to kick back and enjoy a few cold ones.

 

[joepythons]

what ever

No genius, it's called making an honest post about two business transactions he had with the subject of this thread, which if I may remind some of you, is what this forum is supposed to be about. Members of this website should not be chastised and insulted for posting their positive experiences here, no matter who their transaction(s) took place with. Sadly however, in the past couple of years this has become modus operandi.

LMAO! So you think Allen has a chance to make himself look better in the reptile world because 1 person posts something good .I will share something with everyone here.Allen invited me to come to his place and he would pay everything it took for me to get down to his place.I agreed that i would come down a give the WHOLE honest to god truth about his facility during my visit.I added a couple provisions to make everything fair for both Allen and myself.I said i would come down whenever i wanted with no heads up before.I also wanted to meet the so called people that did the blood test on his reptiles to prove whether or not he had IBD in his collection.Well to no surprise Allen declined the visit under my extra provisions.Now he would never tell me directly why the change of mind.I think he knew if i met the people whom did those tests would tell me the truth and then i would reveal it to the whole world.He had something that he wanted his local animal control guy to be there when i visited so he could tell the same story if needed.I asked him what in the heck would your animal control officer know about proper husbandry skills for reptiles .So since Allen has never shown proof of those so called test results i would not buy nor take anything that come from him ever.He has shown himself to be a lier and because of his poor husbandry skills his animals suffer because he is to lazy to clean up after them.Yes snakes poo but he should have enough common sense to clean up the bowl BEFORE he takes pics.If you want sick or neglected snakes go ahead and buy from him but dint come crying here when they die and you get burned.

 

[Chameleon Company]

Joe,
You would appear to me to be the poster-child for the kind of stupidity that Kelli was speaking of.

 

[lanceheads]

OUCH!

 

[HiddenHollowHerp]

I know this thread is older than my granny, but I have to comment.

If I had been you, I would have started bagging snakes and giving them away to good, intelligent people capable of caring for them properly. These critters are so badly neglected that you probably could've nabbed the whole damn collection before anyone noticed! And really, if taken to court, you could've said (with all of us backing you up) that it was in the animals' best interest!

I haven't heard much about this fellow lately, so maybe your wish came true! I will be saying a prayer for all of those.. Beautiful, beautiful snakes.. Call me a wuss, but I'm almost crying.. I just cannot... I can't fathom why/how anyone could get up every morning knowing that their animals were suffering. Every time that dirtball popped a piece of food in his mouth, he didn't think about his hungry snakes. When he slipped into a hot, bubbly bath, he didn't think about the snakes in his backyard which were trapped in their escrement. Whenever this artard popped open a can of crisp, tasty soda, he didn't think about the snakes who were living off dishes full of their own sewage. And when was the last time he was forced to curl up next to a rotting corpse? This makes me sick, sick, sick!

If I lived near this barfbag, he would find an empty snakeroom, and all of the respectable people here would find a new snake or two in their collections! Moronic, idiotic, bumbling fools do not deserve to own reptiles. This guy should stick to betta fish or something (if he could even handle that).

Flame me all you want. If you didn't want people replying to this thread, it should have been deleted/locked! It's free game in its current state!

Adam Keith Boots.

 

[CJReptiles]

I have had few dealings with him. I actually stopped selling at a few Florida shows because this jerk has had a table next to me selling his crap animals wholesale. 8 dollars for baby ball pythons that look like they are half dead! I guarentee mine to be feeding, he does not. But if my normals are 25 and his are 8. People buy the 8 dollar disposable BP. Repticon also should not allow them to wholesale at the shows..

 

[HiddenHollowHerp]

I swear, these shows need to have vets marching around with the authority to throw people out permanently, atleast until they can make an acceptable improvement regarding the health of their animals!

People like that almost make me ashamed to have snakes and consider myself a hobbyist, and that takes alot...

 

[CJReptiles]

Im not bashing Repticon, they are the some of the best shows we have done. Its unfair for them to let him bring in all of those cheap imports that are going to die soon while other breeders work so hard to bring CB healthy animals to sell. We try to educate the customers on why our BP's are 25 dollars and his are 8 dollars. Most people want a wall mart priced snake.

 

[HiddenHollowHerp]

I've learned my lesson about cheap snakes, and it took me two tries.

Got a WC cornsnake for $10. Bit the hell out of me, covered in mites, and to this day needs regular dosages of nutribac.

Bought a juvenile (yearling or so) Amel (cornsnake) for $30. Had an injury barely missing her vent, which was (most likely) the result of being shut in a deli container in her younger days.

I've been to one reptile show in the twin cities, and I must be honest, I walked around for ten minutes, went into a porta-john and barfed my guts out. I barely managed to get out of there without crying like a baby in front of all of the people. It was far from a Holocaust, but the bad stands far outweighed the good, and as horribly as I felt for the creatures there, I could not make myself go back.

 

[Ed Clark]

If I lived near this barfbag, he would find an empty snakeroom, and all of the respectable people here would find a new snake or two in their collections!

And therein lies the biggest problem of all!

IF there is sickness in that collection the biggest fear is spreading it all over the country and even further.

Allen is trying to sell his collection to get into another business, those snakes will infect us all IF any of them are sick... It just makes you wonder.

 

[HiddenHollowHerp]

I hadn't considered that (surprisingly) at all, Ed. And looking at the pictures at the start of this thread, I don't see how any of these snakes could be even remotely healthy.

Quarantine, quarantine, quarantine!

 

[cahrens]

I hadn't considered that (surprisingly) at all, Ed. And looking at the pictures at the start of this thread, I don't see how any of these snakes could be even remotely healthy.

Quarantine, quarantine, quarantine!

Adam,
You should read this whole thread. The dirty cages issue is only the beginning. My favorite part was the fecal exams testing for IBD.

If I had been you, I would have started bagging snakes and giving them away to good, intelligent people capable of caring for them properly. These critters are so badly neglected that you probably could've nabbed the whole damn collection before anyone noticed! And really, if taken to court, you could've said (with all of us backing you up) that it was in the animals' best interest!

If I lived near this barfbag, he would find an empty snakeroom, and all of the respectable people here would find a new snake or two in their collections!

This would, without a doubt, land you in jail. Legally, animals are considered property, and if you steal someone's property, you will be arrested. Especially animals of such high value. You'd likely be looking at Felony Grand Larceny. It would also be kinda hard to explain to the judge that you took them because their cages were dirty when you were hired to clean their cages.

 

[myotis7119]

MN Herp show

I've been to one reptile show in the twin cities, and I must be honest, I walked around for ten minutes, went into a porta-john and barfed my guts out. I barely managed to get out of there without crying like a baby in front of all of the people. It was far from a Holocaust, but the bad stands far outweighed the good, and as horribly as I felt for the creatures there, I could not make myself go back.

Adam, I was kind of curious as to which show you were referring to? I would also be appalled by animals being sold at shows that were obviously poorly taken care of, but to the best of my knowledge there have been only two shows in the Twin Cities area in the last 10 years. (MN is not know for having herp shows) both of which were sponsored by the MN Herp Society when the Midwest Herp Symposium was held there. And they were both held inside hotels (no porta-johns). Both, I thought had quality vendors there and the last one had only a few people selling snakes, most were selling supplies and other items. If there are other shows going on in MN, do you know what breeders were there so others can be aware of who they were and could address this issue with them?

 

[hhmoore]

This thread is not the place to address concerns about MN herps shows, it is about Big Daddy's Wholesale (unless, of course, he is being named as one of the problem vendors in the Twin Cities area). Please try to keep the discussion relevant to the thread topic.

 

[HiddenHollowHerp]

Rofl.
Yes, he was there, or I wouldn't have posted it here (obviously). He had ball hatchlings for $10 a piece, and they didn't look like they'd eaten yet (to me).

 

[HiddenHollowHerp]

And Myotis (I love bats), the show I am referring to was little more than a group of breeders who got together in the park with folding tables and whatnot. It was four or five years ago, and from what I understand, it was short and unproductive. I didn't buy anything there, nor did any of my friends. I was living in the area at the time and saw the gathering and got curious. I heard a rumor (from an aquaintance) that the breeders were asked to leave the premesis because they hadn't gotten the city's permission to use the area to sell their products. I can't say much about what exactly happened, because as I said, I was there for a very short amount of time, and I became disgusted and left.

That was the only show in Minnesota I have ever been to in my life.

 

[RJK890]

Again...

If I had been you, I would have started bagging snakes and giving them away to good, intelligent people capable of caring for them properly.

Hey Robin Hood, Do you think it is wise to resurect a three year old thread after seven months just to say that you are an untrustworthy thief?

These critters are so badly neglected that you probably could've nabbed the whole damn collection before anyone noticed! And really, if taken to court, you could've said (with all of us backing you up) that it was in the animals' best interest.

Taken to court? How about prison. Really I don't think many members here, even the ones that hate Allen, would be willing to go to Alabama to appear in court on behalf of a thief and tell a judge that it was in the animals best interest that they were stolen. Especialy if they were the same "good people" that you gave the stolen animals to.
Even if the entire reptile world were to go and tell the judge that you were a "good guy" and that what you did was in the animals best interest, it still would not help.

I haven't heard much about this fellow lately, so maybe your wish came true! I will be saying a prayer for all of those.. Beautiful, beautiful snakes.. Call me a wuss, but I'm almost crying.. I just cannot... I can't fathom why/how anyone could get up every morning knowing that their animals were suffering.

You're a Wuss!

Every time that dirtball popped a piece of food in his mouth, he didn't think about his hungry snakes. When he slipped into a hot, bubbly bath, he didn't think about the snakes in his backyard which were trapped in their escrement. Whenever this artard(lol.) popped open a can of crisp, tasty soda, he didn't think about the snakes who were living off dishes full of their own sewage. And when was the last time he was forced to curl up next to a rotting corpse? This makes me sick, sick, sick!

Drama much? Why are you so descriptively thinking about "Big Daddy" Allen Belcher taking a hot bubble bath?(I'm not judging...)

If I lived near this barfbag, he would find an empty snakeroom, and all of the respectable people here would find a new snake or two in their collections!

If they were to accept a stolen snake from a thief(that's you, wuss) that ripped off an entire collection then they would not be respectable people any longer.

So you believe that it would be the right thing to do if you were to steal the entire collection of someone that you decided was an unfit keeper... even if you were the employee of that business.
What if somebody else decided that you were an unfit keeper...

Moronic, idiotic, bumbling fools do not deserve to own reptiles.

I will be looking for your "entire collection" classified ad.

I have had three positive transactions with Allen now. Two of them have already been shared. The last one was in July.
I had filled up my vehicle with gas and was driving over to Panama City, Florida to meet Allen for a trade. About 45 minutes into the trip I had car trouble and had to turn around and go home. I called my Dad and told him what was going on, and also asked if I could borrow his van for the trip. He said that it was no problem and that him and my 5yr old brother would take the ride with me.
Allen drove an extra hour and a half to meet me because his son had a softball game that afternoon in Panama City and he could not pull over and wait for me to get to the agreed upon meeting place, and I was way behind schedule.
Between gassing up my vehicle and then my fathers van I had reached the $100. daily limit on my debit card, and between my father and I we had just $15. cash on us, and 1/4 tank of gas.
When we met Allen to exchange animals he asked me how much gas it took to get there. I told him that I had put $60. in my Dads van and had just under 1/4 of a tank left. He pulled out a $100. bill and gave it to me.
We had never agreed for him to pay my gas, and I did not tell him that I did not have enough gas to get all the way home.
I traded Allen a 1400g .1 Albino (that I had gotten from him in our last trade) and another 450g .1 Albino for an early 08' 1. Pied, and a June hatch .1 Spider.
The 1. Pied is now 500g, and the .1 Spider is 300g. Both animals are healthy and thriving.

 

[Gecko_Den]

I had reached the $100. daily limit on my debit card,

You need a new bank, $100 daily limit?