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This thread is being posted with honesty and by no means am I saying Tom Burke is a "Bad Guy" but I wanted to get a couple honest opinions and answers. Last year I bought a "lipstick sunglow" from Tom and it cost me $3000... way over regular market value. The boa is very nice and has a great feeding responce. However when the boa came in the mail I noticed that it didn't seem to be a RED and the picture showed on his site. I have contacted a couple of well known breeders about this and they said the pictures looked like they had red color added to them. Again I am by no means calling Tom Burke a bad guy, just wanted to hear everyone else's experience with their sunglow purchase.

I know I am not the only one that thinks maybe somthing may be up here, their is a guy that posts on the KS forum screen name art that bought a sunglow possible super from Tom and he feels that the pictures miss represented the animal. If anyone else has a answer or opinion please chime in. If anyone wants to see a photo of the sunglow email me at [email protected]
 
Hi Bryan, please post the pics here and it will be much easier on everyone.

I have seen Tom and Amanda's animals on several occasion in person at shows and they always have insane looking sunglows on their table. I am not saying anything until I see pics, but they make some damn nice snakes.

Chris Canada-Smith
 
Here you go Bryan, this should work.

Burke's pic of one snake:

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Bryan's pic of previous snake:

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Burke's pic of other snake:

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Bryan's pic of second snake:

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Bryan, the second snake seems to be pretty similar in color in both pics. The other picture seems to possibly be washed out some. Can you take some pics outside in shade? I have found that is the easiest way to show accurate color.

Chris
 
It looks like TB's pics were taken with a flash , while one of B's pics looks like it was taken outdoors in bright sun ,all washed out, and the other one looks pretty good .I don't think your problem is the snake as much as the photos.Killer sunglow!
 
I also purchased a Sunglow from Tom a few years ago....

Here are a before and after pic of my Lipstick I got from Tom a few years ago. I actually was a little bummed when I got the snake here, I also thought it wasnt as red as the picture that Tom had sent, however i must say that I think thats just how the Lipstick develops over time, it doesnt stay RED RED....it becomes a more orange/yellow with pink highlights as it matures. I think Tom's Lipsticks are consistently the nicest sunglows produced every year and you should give it some time, I think that your animals will get better as they mature but as far as being as red as the pics i do agree with that, however I dont believe Tom is doing anything on purpose to misrepresent his animals. I do film and video work so i know a bit about photography and tricks that are used to "enhance" pics. I dont see these tricks in Tom's photos...


Paul Harb
 
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I just don't know why they are so RED on the site then when the come in they are burnt Orange. The pictures on the site shows blood RED animals.... when their in your hands they are a dark orange color. Maybe the man himself can come explain to everyone why the pictures seem to show sunglow dripping in red then when they come in they aren't as colorful. I mean when I spend 3K on a snake I want it to look like what it looks like in the picture. I have spent a good amount of money of the animal and no I am wondering if I got taken for my novice boa knowledge. I still think Tom produced the best sunglows but what I seen on the site wasn't what I got in the mail. I wanted RED not burnt orange.
 
I hear ya...

I hear ya, like I said I was a bit disappointed when I got my Lipstick in the mail as well, however...I think there are a few things going on here.

Lipstick animals DO seem to be more red at birth and as they grow larger, they quite quickly turn into a more orange/yellow/red animal. I have not seen any full grown lipsticks that look otherwise. Even the best looking full grown Lipsticks I have seen follow this color scheme, some having more "coraling" than others. I have seen some in pictures that look really red, but with no white as a reference in the picture, there is NO WAY to tell if that is a true representation of the colors of the animal. I dont believe Tom is doing any of this on purpose, and I do think the animals look more red at birth than even months later...

I will say what Ive learned very quickly as an old hobbiest that just got back into this after years, welcome to the world of snake breeders, its a cutthroat, backstabbing, self righteous, money needing, dishonest community that encompasses a wonderful hobby.

Sorry, couldnt resist...just seems that way a lot of times...Im sorry you feel bad about your purchase, I would give it a little time, I think that second snake is going to be a killer adult...and the line does put out consistently good animals that sell well.

IMHO a breeder should stand by what they are selling and if a buyer feels that when the animal shows up it is not what they thought they were getting, that breeder should give a full refund minus shipping fees...just seems fair but most breeders arent fair now are they?

Most people breeding snakes are doing it for money, they can say otherwise, but they make decisions based on money. Now add on top of that the size of the market that will pay $1000 or more for a snake, its tiny and only encompasses others that want to but the snake with the hopes of making money of of its litters... now we all know that when your only business model is the bottom line, the buyer is the one that will suffer...see US economy.

I would start demanding to see a white piece of paper in the pictures of animals from now on that you are thinking about purchasing...


Paul Harb
 
I normally wouldn't get involved here as I have no experience purchasing from Tom. However, everyone knows that boas yellow as they get older. This is always going to happen and if you spend $3K on a snake, you should know what you are getting into.

More importantly, I hate to see someone with a good reputation for years get dragged through the mud by someone who is quite infamous in the boa community for wasting people's time and causing trouble.

Matt Tipton, aka Bryon Tipton, Bryan Lucas, Mark Wainscott, Mary Ann Boids, etc., has quite a reputation for having multiple personalities and wasting people's time. He has gone as far as threatening a major boa breeders family with physical violence. That is completely unacceptable.

Hey Matt, you don't seem too disappointed with the animal from Tom in this post: http://vpi.com/brag/lipstick_sunglow

I'm guessing that Tom, who was the only person still willing to sell to Matt, finally said NO MORE, and now Matt is trying to retaliate.

Matt Crabe
 
The only thing better than a lipstick is Matt's red line 'binos and 'glows. :thumbsup: Can't wait to see that newest litter all cleaned up and shed!

Although I do want one of the lipstick line as well. I think the two crossed together would make for some spectacular animals.
 
Since you began this post taking about your honesty, lets try that again: For all of the other viewers of this thread, here is the truth…Bryan Lucas = Matt Tipton = Brandon Quinn = give me a few minutes and I’m sure I’ll remember all of the other aliases he goes by. For anyone who has had contact with you, once they know you are Matt Tipton, that is enough said.

However, I will address the issues you raised anyway. First of all, it is probably clear to anyone who reads your most recent post that this whole thread is really only designed to cause trouble. Why is that? Because for well over a year my father and I have indulged you by responding to thousands of emails from your various aliases in which you request hundreds of pictures, request payment plans and ask us to hold snakes for you. In many cases, we have done as you requested, only to get burned when the money never shows up. I have to say that my father is much more patient than I would be because I have told him, especially after reading about all of the other breeders you have played games with, to just stop responding to your emails since you only play games. We used to have absolutely no problem with people requesting photos, asking for payment plans, or even holding snakes for a few days, except people like you ruin it for everyone because you never follow through. That results in us being hesitant to enter payment plans and hold snakes for people. We have lost legitimate sales because we have given you the benefit of the doubt and held animals for you because you said the money order was in the mail, or you had to wait to get paid, or you would call when your phone service was turned back on, only to realize that you never sent the money and had no plans of actually buying the snake. We have sent you hundreds of pictures of animals that you claimed to be interested in only to realize that you were simply adding the pictures to your collection and were never interested in buying them. To my surprise, you did end up buying one sunglow from us a few months ago. It is the darker red one that is posted in the pictures above and that has the follow-up picture on the carpet. You NEVER voiced any disappointment with the boa you received and you have spoken with my father countless times since then. This is the first we have heard anything about this and since you claim to be honest, you should tell everyone the real reason you are posting…because you have been jerking us around again for several months, using several different names, asking us to hold animals for you and then never following through. When my father finally called you out and said that he’s not going to play games with you anymore, you became psychotic, sent extremely offensive and threatening emails to us, and then told us that you would “teach us a lesson” and we should check the BOI. That demonstrates to me that we should never have given you the benefit of the doubt and should have listened to the warnings of all the other breeders who have communicated with you and never trusted a word you said in the first place. Now you come on here acting like you are dissatisfied with your purchase. If that was the case, you should have told us months ago and we would have worked it out. This isn’t about that. It’s about you losing your mind and trying to damage our reputation by suggesting that my father and I are doing something shady with our photos.

Let me be clear, our photos are taken in our baby room, where we have UV lights and use a flash. The photos come out looking exactly how the snake actually looks at the time of the photo. The snakes do change as they mature, and I have stood next to my father at countless shows when he has said that “All sunglows and albinos fade as they grow. The object of the Lipstick line is to get an albino or sunglow that starts off super colorful so that it fades less into adulthood and will never become a yellow banana.” While I am sure that there are Lipstick sunglows that become more orangey as they grow, you can find plenty of people who will show you gorgeous red adult lipstick sunglows. I see one on the kingsnake forum that was posted on March 29, 2009 by SoCal-619. There is no benefit to us to misrepresent our animals because if any of our customers voice dissatisfaction about animals that they buy from us when they receive it in the mail, we always make it right. But, we can not read minds. If you don’t tell us you are unhappy, we don’t know and we can’t do anything about it. In fact, you were not dissatisfied…you were thrilled with the animal, but only now that you are angry do these allegations of misrepresentation arise and you don’t even have the nerve to do it honestly and use your actual name. I find this funny because every year we are in Daytona Beach (and this year we did a show in Virginia) where our animals are on display. We take every baby that is available to those shows. Do you think that we would have thousands of people looking at the animals in person and then go home and try to manipulate the photos of animals that people have already seen with their own eyes? That’s absurd.

If Paul Harb or the other person that bought the sunglow you posted pictures of were unhappy with the boas they bought from us once they had it in their hands, they certainly could have called us and told us that and we would have taken the animal back and given them a refund. We want our customers to be happy, that is the only way we do business and we are not so naive as to think that every single person is going to love our animals. I guarantee that if either of them had told us that they were unhappy we would have corrected the problem. But as I said, we can’t read minds and the buyer has to let us know if the animal is not what they expected or were looking for. The problem I have is with the suggestion that we are somehow altering the photos or misrepresenting our animals. That is absolutely not true, and we haven’t built the successful business that we have by being shady.

I could go on but as it is I just spent an hour of my time typing a response to someone who does nothing but lie, threaten and scam people. I just will not tolerate our reputation being dragged through the mud by someone like that. And for future reference, Matt Tipton: NEVER EMAIL US AGAIN, UNDER ANY NAME!!! I don’t care if you want to spend $100,000 on a snake. I will not do business with you.

Amanda Burke (I couldn't remember my own login so I used my dad's).
 
Matt Crabe you don't know what your talking about so you just need to shut your mouth. I am Bryan Tipton.... Matt's brother. You said yourself you wouldn't know because you have never purchased from Tom. You probably can't even afford a $3000 snake, If you have anything to say grow some hair on your nutts and call me directly, if not stay out because your opinion doesn't matter.
 
Amanda,

I make over 100K a year and trust me I won't purchase any more of your red color added animals off your site. I told Tom when the boa came in that the boa didn't look as red as in the photo on his site.... he just came back with some lame excuse about all sunglow fade with age? Let me make myself clear Ms. Amanda Burke... this is BRYAN TIPTON I am MATT TIPTONS younger brother and if you or anybody else doesn't beleive that you can call me at 502-330-0444.

Their are many bigger name breeders and I won't say their names that have told me Tom has added red to his pictures, their is a guy that post on KS forums with the screen name arta this is Dissatisfied with his purchase from Tom... spending 3K on a animal to have it turned into a yellow banana at less than a year of age. Tom will do anything to make a dollar, he prices animals to people for less and higher every other day and tells you that somone is going to buy that particular animal on a set date so hurry up and buy him before he does then turns out that boa hasn't been sold on that set date. Bottom line is Tom charges way to much for his boas and they are misrepresented by color inhancing photos on his site. Amanda I don't care if your snakes come with a free vacation to hawaii I will never buy another snake for you. I sppent 3K on a snake that didn't look as good as in the photo and others have done the same.

If anyone is thinking about buying an animal from burke reptile I encourage you to do your home work and make sure the animal hasn't been photo Enhanced.

The only way I will let this die and not say anything else about it is if tom refunds my $3,075 cash and he can have his little photo shopped sunglow back.
 
Matt, Bryan, Brandon, Mark, MaryAnne and whatever other name you want to go by: You’re true colors are showing! The second you get called out by Matt Crabe, who IS well respected in this hobby, you very obnoxiously tell him to mind his business on a public forum, in a thread YOU started, looking for opinions. There is one thing we can agree on…you can add Burke Reptiles to the long list of breeders that will never sell you a snake again because we have no desire to do business with someone who lies, scams and threatens people. We should have listened to every other breeder that has communicated with you and stayed far away from you from the beginning. Unfortunately for us, we gave you the benefit of the doubt…we will not make that mistake again. You have succeeded in burning bridges with everyone you’ve ever dealt with. Congratulations.

A few words of advice…
1. For future reference, when you are constantly talking about the “over $100K” that you make and emailing breeders pictures of yourself standing by cars, boats and everything else that you say you have in order to try convince people that you are not a scammer, AT LEAST remember that when you send pictures of the same person from 14 different email addresses, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that all of these different aliases are the same person!!!
2. The racial slurs and other obscenities in your emails when you get angry are disgusting and aren’t going to make you any friends – I’ve heard from various other breeders that those are your favorite words to resort to and unfortunately, got to see it for myself yesterday. As I said in my previous post, don't email us anymore.
3. If you want us to believe that you are so dissatisfied with the boa you got from us and our customer service, you should not be calling us trying to buy more animals, which is exactly what you were doing up until we finally said “enough” yesterday because of your lies and scams. It’s very clear that your problem isn’t with our boas, it’s with the fact that we see through you.

I’ve spent enough of my time on you and I will not be responding to any more of your posts. If anyone else reading this has questions about our animals or our photos, I will be happy to answer them via email but I will not deal with this scam artist (whatever his name actually is) anymore. We would also invite any of you to stop by our tables at the shows to see our animals in person. WE have nothing to hide.

Amanda Burke
 
Amanda just refund my money and I'll delete this thread and leave you alone. And you and your father can have your little boa back and rip somone else off on it. Your father is the one that leaves hurassing voice mails not me I have them saved on both cell phone, calling somone fat when he is overweight himself.

I respect what you are saying and I won't ever contact you again. I will ask Tom to do the same and quit leaving hurassing voice mails on Myself and matts cell phones. If you think I was a con, time wasting low life why did you keep responding to my emails..... it's very simple MONEY even though you think I am a time wasting scum low life you still wanted to money if I caused a head ache.
 
Just to be clear

Just to be clear, I wasnt talking about Tom at all when I said some people are shady in this business. Tom is actually one of the good guys IMHO and his Lipstick line of sunglows are the top of the line when it comes to kahl sunglows.

Paul
 
Amanda and Tom

Amanda and Tom,

I just want to be clear that I wasnt unhappy with my purchase AT ALL, I was trying to say that I was a little bummed that the animal didnt stay as red as the original picture, but that seemed normal and the animal ended up being stunning...so i dont want you guys to think I was unhappy with my purchase, quite the contrary I am very happy and I think the guy should give it some time and let the animal mature.

Paul Harb
 
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