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Originally Posted by Rich Z
I tend to release anything that is not doing well in captivity, or perhaps just has some minor kinks that don't make it a candidate for the freezer. That is a benefit of living within the natural range of the corn snake.

Quite honestly, come January when everything has to be out of here, anything that has not been sold will probably just be released. Since I have killed off the mouse colony, there won't be many other options at that point when they need to come out of brumation.

Should make for some interesting walks around the property years from now. The good thing about that is that maybe they will clear out the rodent population around here that has been getting into my vehicles nesting and chewing up on wiring harnesses.
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Why? This is not a good thing!
 
Seems like offering them up for adoption for free to fellow herpers would be a better choice...
 
Fireproof said:
Seems like offering them up for adoption for free to fellow herpers would be a better choice...
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WHY?

If those "fellow herpers" don't have the money to BUY why should he consider giving them away free?...just asking.

If as he said, he lives in the Corn snakes' natural range, I don't see anything wrong with releasing them if they are going to thrive and be free. It's not like they will die a slow painful death by being released?

*as long as it's legal to release them
 
deborahbroadus said:
WHY?

If those "fellow herpers" don't have the money to BUY why should he consider giving them away free?...just asking.

If as he said, he lives in the Corn snakes' natural range, I don't see anything wrong with releasing them if they are going to thrive and be free. It's not like they will die a slow painful death by being released?

*as long as it's legal to release them
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I dunno - I guess it's that time of the year when my mind turns to those less fortunate. Certainly it would not be wise to give a snake to someone who doesn't have the means to care for it properly. But, I would imagine there might be some that can't justify a new snake purchase right now, but could easily feed and care for an extra one.

As an example, I have a nice rack with 3 empty tubs. I buy frozen rodents in bulk to feed my snakes. Right now I can't really justify paying $50-100 for a new snake, but if someone couldn't care for one, it would be easy to take one in.

Plus - many states have an issue with releasing captive animals back into the wild.

Oh, and if they are color morphs - there's a reason you tend to not see those in the wild - albinos and candy canes, etc, tend to be targets for prey as they don't have their natural camouflage colors.
 
I agree with Deborah...

I don't really see a problem with it seeing as how he states:

Rich Z said:
That is a benefit of living within the natural range of the corn snake.
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If they run wild where he lives, and they're not being devistatingly destructive to the environment, it isn't a bad idea if you can't find an adoptee. I'm sure the snakes appreciate it more than the freezer option. JMO.
 
It's bad enough that the government and the average person thinks we all release snakes into the wild in Florida and now this!
More ammunition to ban the ownership of snakes!
 
SPJ said:
You do not release captive snakes into the wild.
PERIOD!
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(I don't know the laws in his area)...If it's legal :shrug01:.. you have a moral perspective, perhaps? Morally, I would agree with you.

However, if the snakes are native to the environment and it's not against the law, I see no problem. Their only other option is to be killed, because I doubt that anyone is going to be pressured into giving what they worked for away for free.:shrug01:

I hate getting into legal vs moral discussions. If it's cut and dried ILLEGAL then I would have to agree.
 
SPJ said:
It's bad enough that the government and the average person thinks we all release snakes into the wild in Florida and now this!
More ammunition to ban the ownership of snakes!
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Actually for all exotic pets.......Just giving them ammo for a future HR669 to ban all species not native to the US. Just giving them proof that people release their pets into the wild when they don't benefit them anymore......
 
I agree with Bill and SPJ.

A) It could very well be illegal in his state.
B) Even if it's not illegal, it is more "proof" that people release snakes in the wild, adding fuel to the python & boa ban case, making us look irresponsible.
C) Releasing them, just because no one will "buy them" is irresponsible ownership. If you have to get rid of a dog are you just going to let it go? Responsible pet owners just don't do this...let alone breeders.
D) No one can predict the ramifications of the ecosystem where they are released.

Regarding D above, this article has some interesting considerations. It's not as simple as "well, they are in their native climate...":
http://www.nanfa.org/archive/nanfa/nanfamay02/0324.html
 
SPJ said:
It's bad enough that the government and the average person thinks we all release snakes into the wild in Florida and now this!
More ammunition to ban the ownership of snakes!
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Bill & Amy said:
Actually for all exotic pets.......Just giving them ammo for a future HR669 to ban all species not native to the US. Just giving them proof that people release their pets into the wild when they don't benefit them anymore......
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:iagree: this is a pretty stupid and irresponsible thing to do at one of the worst times for our hobby IMO.....Secondly the fact that he is thinking about dumping any captive unhealthy animals into the environment is just disturbing......who knows what may he may introduce into the natural population and the environment and what consequences might come from it???
 
johns6068 said:
:iagree: this is a pretty stupid and irresponsible thing to do at one of the worst times for our hobby IMO.....Secondly the fact that he is thinking about dumping any captive unhealthy animals into the environment is just disturbing......who knows what may he may introduce into the natural population and the environment and what consequences might come from it???
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Ummmm, I hadn't thought about it from that perspective, only from the saving of the lives of the snakes.:eek:
 
Hey Steve

You'll have to pardon my ignorance when it comes to searching the forums, but could you possibly post a link to the original thread.

thanks

Eric
 
:/ Wow...I dont understand why anyone would do that. Its so dumb.
There are tons of ways to find homes for them, even if they are imperfect.
Whatever the case may be, I highly doubt its legal even if they are local. Arizona has AZ Kings local, but the police will be damned if you even tried to release even a local caught one. Leave the nature where it is and leave the domesticated where it is.
 
johns6068 said:
:iagree: this is a pretty stupid and irresponsible thing to do at one of the worst times for our hobby IMO.....Secondly the fact that he is thinking about dumping any captive unhealthy animals into the environment is just disturbing......who knows what may he may introduce into the natural population and the environment and what consequences might come from it???
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:iagree:
I was really pissed when I saw the original post on cs.com. I cant understand how anyone would think posting this on an open forum when this industry/hobby is under fire is ok. Especially in Florida!
Rich, I really wish you would stop and think about your actions and what this could potentially do to the rest of us who ARE NOT retiring and getting out of animals completely....
You were an industry leader and it feels like we just got a kick in gonads from you..... :NoNo:
 
Rich, why don't you hold an auction and donate the proceeds to USARK or PIJAC. This would help the hobby rather then possibly hurt it??
 
hey rich let me tell you some thing you are a real a$$ to let any snake go for any reason and with the laws they are trying to pass you are a real dirt bag its like you dont care about the hobby . i am tired of people like you walking in to the my living room and crapping on my carpet thats what you are doing you dont care about this hobby at all well this hobby dont care about you so get the hell out of it and dont let the door hit you where god sure split you
 
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