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Bad Guy ED CLARK... BUYERS and WHOLESALERS BEWARE..


Reselling animals is a little different than selling out of your own stock. Some people like to keep their TOS limited with animals that aren't theirs. Some people won't give you their exact genetics because it's not theirs and they don't know exactly what it is and try to feed you some BS like "I don't disclose that kind of information" or something like that :rolleyes:

Either way, if you take an animal under your wing, and sell it as your own and something happens to it, you're gonna have to chew and swallow :D The person didn't buy it off the person you got it from, it's your name and credibility on it...

And why the :censored: would anyone knowingly sell something that isn't in the best condition??? You're gonna have to deal with it sooner or later... Later would just get you the money sooner but make things more complicated later, like maybe 4mo later :confused:
 
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LauraB said:
Tom:
No problem.


Not uncommon ... but he did pay in August of '09 then. Thanks for clarifying.


So he left with a $200+ debt still owed. But paid finally in November, 2009. Thanks for clarifying.



If by "Now" you mean within the last week is the first notification you've received, then no ... you do not owe Ed replacements. If the animals died after Ed received and subsequently sold them, then no .. you do not owe him anything. I see the PM/email of 2/27 you posted where Ed asks you where the replacements are. Are there previous emails/PM/s from Ed concerning those deceased dragons immediately after Ed received them or while they were in his care?
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Ed:

Okay ... got any written proof?


So why would you buy "weak sick dragons" and then sell them off yourself?

I guess you know that dragging other names (Dachiu and Josh) into this particular thread ain't a great idea unless you can back your word up, right? Kind of looks like an attemp to derail/shift the attention.

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Bottom line looks like Tom doesn't owe Ed anything for dragons that died in the hands of Ed's customers. Ed has paid Tom in full for dragons hesaw and bought.
Again ... the common denominator ... a girl, bad press and the source of contention & "chivalry". Nothing more, nothing less. Bah humbug.
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This is his last payment. and this was the exact date he payed me and see where it says messages: Thanks for all the kind e-mails... that because i hounded him for 2 months.

Pic 1: is him saying he would come down tomorrow and grab the animals

Pic 2: final payment that he said he would pay me on the 7th of september
 
crazycoolpaul said:
Wow! Now on toms behalf and not because I'm a friend or I'm on one side or another but i have been to toms house as recent as last week to hang out, even watched them have dinner(as I already ate) see the dragons and what projects he had going on and even watch one of the females lay. I assisted in helping them feed the newly hatched dragons to adults something I enjoy. But nowhere did i see any signs of malnourished dragons,lack of crickets,meal worms,fruits and veggies and even dubia's. Tom is 1 of only a select few i will do business with because i know how he runs things and how is animals are treated first hand! I have not done business with Ed so i have nothing bad nor good to say.
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Thank you Paul. As he said he has been here before so its first hand experience. I am not ashamed of anything i have or want to hide anything. If anything i am proud of what i have accomplished in the last 6 years...
 
Thanks for posting, Tom ... "thanks for all the kind emails" ... nice sarcasm, Ed.
 
LauraB said:
Thanks for posting, Tom ... "thanks for all the kind emails" ... nice sarcasm, Ed.
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Well thought it should be brought up not letting Ed try to bully me. But after all the ignorant things he just said about me, as much b.s. as it is, it really doesnt bother me. its like an angry kid talking crap. I would still like some e-mail proof of what he's saying. he kinda just dipped outta this thread after flapping his old jaws. I mean wheres the e-mails about owing him animals and our contact back and forth. Ed is always worming his way outta something. You got called out Ed now make it right. You and Nicole are a perfect pair. just makes me wonder who is going to stab who in the back first.
 
dragonluver83 said:
Well thought it should be brought up not letting Ed try to bully me. But after all the ignorant things he just said about me, as much b.s. as it is, it really doesnt bother me. its like an angry kid talking crap. I would still like some e-mail proof of what he's saying. he kinda just dipped outta this thread after flapping his old jaws. I mean wheres the e-mails about owing him animals and our contact back and forth. Ed is always worming his way outta something. You got called out Ed now make it right. You and Nicole are a perfect pair. just makes me wonder who is going to stab who in the back first.
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if you havent noticed in his other bad guy threads. Ed will respond and then disappear and never respond again. Its how he does. he does not care about his reputation cause there are new people to buy from him everyday.
 
spyder79 said:
if you havent noticed in his other bad guy threads. Ed will respond and then disappear and never respond again. Its how he does. he does not care about his reputation cause there are new people to buy from him everyday.
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Well you seen his private message from jan 19th.....

You seen his e-mail he sent me today.....

Every 3-4 weeks he keeps asking about replacement dragons.

"I prefer to keep our business privately with this matter. your actions will dictate how I proceed from this point forward. I have no problem coming to your apartment in Glen Burnie to resolve this." ed's quote.

This time he pretty much threatened me. If i didnt replace those dragons he would have to handle this situation differently. What other actions is he going to take??? What is he coming to my apartment for??? Is that another threat?

For a guy that is starting to hound me for dragons, why would you not post here where you might actually get some justice?
 
dragonluver83 said:
Well you seen his private message from jan 19th.....

You seen his e-mail he sent me today.....

Every 3-4 weeks he keeps asking about replacement dragons.

"I prefer to keep our business privately with this matter. your actions will dictate how I proceed from this point forward. I have no problem coming to your apartment in Glen Burnie to resolve this." ed's quote.

This time he pretty much threatened me. If i didnt replace those dragons he would have to handle this situation differently. What other actions is he going to take??? What is he coming to my apartment for??? Is that another threat?

For a guy that is starting to hound me for dragons, why would you not post here where you might actually get some justice?
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Cause he knows he is wrong..If he really thought he had a case,he would have brought it here.. He is trying to bully you cause you are not a 20 year veteran breeder..He thinks you were born yesterday and was trying to pull one over one you..Who is to say those dragons even died??I wouldnt take Ed's word for it...He has no proof,just a big mouth that smells like poop when he opens it...Him and Nicole really are made for each other...They are deffinetly not a case of "opposites attracting each other"...They both think they are above everyone else and think they have the right to screw people over....To bad public floggings are illegal.....
 
It kind of bums me out when people sell animals they didn't produce and don't disclose this to their customers. I know this is a common practice, but it brings with it problems like this.

Unknowing customers buy sick dragons from a seller (ED) who dodges responsibility by blaming his supplier (TOM). And even if it wasn't done publicly, Ed should be able to show the same # and type of dragons he wanted replaced in several emails to Tom. And I would say that if Ed was selling them for Tom, then Tom needs to replace them. But if Ed was selling these as his own, then he needs to take responsibility for his own stock and their health.

I am not really into the personal threats and attacks, but this board always finds a way to get people pushing other people's buttons. I probably would have waited for Ed to bring this to the boards against you, Tom. But I see how it has been weighing on you for last several months and you wanted to air things out.

Let the sun shine on the truth, Ed. More proof, less grandstanding. You like to pound people on the boards when the topic isn't you, clamoring for truth. Let's see it.

Jeff Crider
 
"I prefer to keep our business privately with this matter. your actions will dictate how I proceed from this point forward. I have no problem coming to your apartment in Glen Burnie to resolve this."
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Yeah, it's always a good idea to tell someone you want to keep your "business privately with this matter" when you threaten them at the same time. I'd print that entire email out, with all headers, and save for future use if necessary.
 
citruslover said:
It kind of bums me out when people sell animals they didn't produce and don't disclose this to their customers. I know this is a common practice, but it brings with it problems like this.

Unknowing customers buy sick dragons from a seller (ED) who dodges responsibility by blaming his supplier (TOM). And even if it wasn't done publicly, Ed should be able to show the same # and type of dragons he wanted replaced in several emails to Tom. And I would say that if Ed was selling them for Tom, then Tom needs to replace them. But if Ed was selling these as his own, then he needs to take responsibility for his own stock and their health.

I am not really into the personal threats and attacks, but this board always finds a way to get people pushing other people's buttons. I probably would have waited for Ed to bring this to the boards against you, Tom. But I see how it has been weighing on you for last several months and you wanted to air things out.

Let the sun shine on the truth, Ed. More proof, less grandstanding. You like to pound people on the boards when the topic isn't you, clamoring for truth. Let's see it.

Jeff Crider
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Well very well put...

I do not guarantee more than live arrival for wholesale. Off course most of you know (Breeders/sellers) we set our boundaries to let customers know there are guidelines. ANd that you cant push past them. A GOOD business person would replace those animals within a respectable time period. which even now i think a guarantee is alittle past due. but its not like i didnt throw him free stuff before and its not like i wouldnt do it again. you think i am gonna let some 20 30 40 dollar dragon ruin good business. That not me or what i am about.

Ed not once have ever claimed those animals to be mine in any of his post at all. Look at Ed's classifieds. does he ever disclose any other breeder in his post other than himself? I havent ever heard him describe one of his animals for sale as a b.b. line, or dachiu line or blood bank dragons line.

Jeff there is some bad blood there, and its like he keeps pushing me by sending e-mails about everything is sick but he wants more. everything is full of parasites but he wants more. and really i have never started a thread on the b.o.i. let alone against Ed. Our problems were weighing on me but they were our problems. but with the threats, i think i had my fill. I would have never posted our bus. but after receiving that e-mail this after noon. I felt like it was getting outta hand. I still want to know what he means by he will come to my apartment if he needs to?? Is that like he going to come down here and do something, or try to?
 
LauraB said:
Yeah, it's always a good idea to tell someone you want to keep your "business privately with this matter" when you threaten them at the same time. I'd print that entire email out, with all headers, and save for future use if necessary.
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I have a ED clark folder on my e-mail. three pages of him, well being him. so thank you but it went in the folder when i got it!:thumbsup:
 
I applaud Tom for not sinking into one of Ed's dirty tricks. Who in their right mind will ask for replacement of animals 4-5 months out. To add to it, Ed him self has no guarantee AFTER live arrival. :shrug01:

Tom and I have been doin business for a year now. Last year to complete a lot of my orders, low end and high end, I must have purchased 500-600 dragons(a lot of them being Toms production,just a few were from Dachiu). Only having trouble with a couple dragons that Tom GLADLY replaced. I contacted him within a week, probably within a few days. I would never even think about calling Tom more than a month after receiving the dragons, even worse... 4 MONTHS....

And then to threaten him.... that puts the icing on the cake for me.
 
BreedersCircle said:
I applaud Tom for not sinking into one of Ed's dirty tricks. Who in their right mind will ask for replacement of animals 4-5 months out. To add to it, Ed him self has no guarantee AFTER live arrival. :shrug01:

Tom and I have been doin business for a year now. Last year to complete a lot of my orders, low end and high end, I must have purchased 500-600 dragons(a lot of them being Toms production,just a few were from Dachiu). Only having trouble with a couple dragons that Tom GLADLY replaced. I contacted him within a week, probably within a few days. I would never even think about calling Tom more than a month after receiving the dragons, even worse... 4 MONTHS....

And then to threaten him.... that puts the icing on the cake for me.
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Thank you Johnathan. and a good year of business!

yup most were mine but the ones that werent mine i disclosed the bloodlines and breeder. I do buy wholesale form other breeders here and there. it helps pay for the animal that i want to keep and breed.An every time i sold an animal that wasnt from my stock i made sure proper info was given.

I dont guarantee wholesale, but dragons die from everyone sometimes for any reason. and even though my boundaries are live arrival only, i keep to good business by replacing perished animals. I will always do so! It's the right thing to do. i want my customer to be happy make money and come back.

if Ed was more professional i would throw more freebies at him when he came down to do more business, just to make him happy. I didnt gain from any of this. I lost a customer if anything... whether it was a person like Ed or a good customer.
 
crazycoolpaul said:
I like chicken!
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Iraqvet said:
Cause he knows he is wrong..If he really thought he had a case,he would have brought it here.. He is trying to bully you cause you are not a 20 year veteran breeder..He thinks you were born yesterday and was trying to pull one over one you..Who is to say those dragons even died??I wouldnt take Ed's word for it...He has no proof,just a big mouth that smells like poop when he opens it...Him and Nicole really are made for each other...They are deffinetly not a case of "opposites attracting each other"...They both think they are above everyone else and think they have the right to screw people over....To bad public floggings are illegal.....
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One of those posts has a good point... Really Paul???
 
WOW- I think Ed took the play by play right out of girlfriends playbook. My mother Jeane Bought out Foxfire Dragons when she retired, she listed for sale all the dragons she didnt want to keep. Howling Gale Luney Tune bought a adult male breeder foxfire produced. 6 months later he died. She came to the BOI and tried to drag my mother through the mud for it. Even then HER terms were live arrival only.

Change the names of the buyers, sellers, and the breeders and Ed just relived her story himself....................They really are two peas in a pod!
 
To quote ED- " of course we all have read how tom produces all the dragons that he sells. he just cant be a man and tell the truth."

I sent Tom a PM commenting on his dragons and he responded with:

Thanks man, I appreciate it. exepting babies from the red hypo trans (avatar). If you like those i have a sick hypo trans leatherback on my web site. he's on my breeders page. i would tell you which one he is but when you see him you will know. Paid a pretty penny for him from Josh D.
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It doesn't look like Tom has any problem telling people the "truth" about where he gets his animals from.

What do you know about "truth" Ed?
 
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