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Bad Guy Howlin' Gale Dragons

hi again folks... just want to say that i was also given bad karma points today by nicole. 2 of them. also she did admit to using REPTAID on her dragons (her breeders) only once... isnt once enough to corrupt any of numerous things that wont or may not be discovered until who knows when? just asking...unless i'm gonna get more bad karma...
 
its not nitpicking imo to try to get the truth out
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You're correct. You did present a good argument to Nicole's customer service "skills".
You did bring more truth.
It was just the next few pages of back and forth with her that was the nitpicking I was referring to.
Also, without further written proof of her slamming Mike or other breeders, it really is just hearsay .. although I, for one, completely believe you.

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Good question, Seamus. What will all those happy customers say when all those 100% hets don't prove out after they paid big bucks for her "great" future breeders?
 
LauraB said:
Also, without further written proof of her slamming Mike or other breeders, it really is just hearsay .. although I, for one, completely believe you.
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No proof, because I didn't think anything of it.. But as I stated before, she also "informed" me in great detail of the issue she had regarding Lemonade shortly after I mentioned purchasing from Mike.

She was genuinely "informing" me though, she didn't say flat out not to purchase from him.

Just wanted to elaborate on my earlier post.
 
HowlinGaleDragons said:


I am not interested in anymore immature mud slinging and am through with this thread if anyone has non accusing and professional questions your more than welcome to Private Message or email me, have a good day everyone and happy herping :)
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Nicole, the only immaturity in this thread has been displayed by you.
 
well thats what she told me about sunshine dragons & about Unique Herp. maybe she thought she was warning,but thats not how she came off to me. all the stuff thats happened is beyond that.
 
Well I got home from work and saw the 10 pages that have accrued...wow.
I thanked Nicole for her apology and the refund. I dont know anything else she could have done at this point, so I thanked her for the effort and now Im planning to move on. I stand by everything I said, and I can do nothing but try to forgive and forget, and let this forum speak for itself.
Thank you everyone for all of the input. For the most part, I think the BOI served its purpose and I really do hope nicole learns and grows from all of this.
Im gonna love on my beardie and keep giving her all of the care she deserves.
Best wishes to everyone, and hopefully I wont be on this forum anytime soon, exept for maybe a good guy thread.
Aaron
 
And as a quick aside, I do want to say that nicole was up front with me about the poss het trans gene as i posted before.
 
Confusion with genetics?

100% Het Hypo Het Trans 5 Lot!!

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I have 5 Beautiful 100% Het Hypo Poss Het Trans babies for sale they are all eating great on 3/8" Crickets, Ph. Worms, and Greens. They have shed twice now and are starting to show some really nice yellow/orange color coming in, all 5 babies are Nip Free and will make Great pets or future breeders.

The Mother of the clutch is 100% Het Hypo and 100% Het Trans and the father of the clutch is 100% Het Hypo there where 5 Hypo Babies in this clutch. These 5 Babies are all Het's they are not showing clear nails but they are big and healthy with fat baby beardy bellies.
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Above is an ad Nicole is currently running on this site.

All the info is there for all to see. it appears to me she is confused about genetics, which is understandable with a young new breeder. genetics can certainly be confusing.

She posts that the mother of the clutch is 100% het hypo x a father that is also 100% het hypo. the resulting offspring will be a few hypos and all the normal appearing offspring will be 66% het hypo. thats rather simple to me and many others reading this but can be confusing as hell to a first time or new breeder with not much experience breeding.

If she was trying to misrepresent the percentage of the hets she would not have posted that the father and mother are both 100% hets.

I think it was an honest mistake and she needs to study the genetics so a further mishap does not occur.
 
Ed Clark said:
Confusion with genetics?



Above is an ad Nicole is currently running on this site.

All the info is there for all to see. it appears to me she is confused about genetics, which is understandable with a young new breeder. genetics can certainly be confusing.

She posts that the mother of the clutch is 100% het hypo x a father that is also 100% het hypo. the resulting offspring will be a few hypos and all the normal appearing offspring will be 66% het hypo. thats rather simple to me and many others reading this but can be confusing as hell to a first time or new breeder with not much experience breeding.

If she was trying to misrepresent the percentage of the hets she would not have posted that the father and mother are both 100% hets.

I think it was an honest mistake and she needs to study the genetics so a further mishap does not occur.
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And all the animals she has "mistakenly" sold as being definite hets for various traits prior to that specific ad? All the ones sold without mention of the genetics of the patent animals?

What about the folks who bought those misrepresented animals under the mistaken belief that they were buying genetic potential?

Is she going to contact them all, explain her ignorance and give them full refunds on the animals she fraudulently sold them?
 
Seamus Haley said:
And all the animals she has "mistakenly" sold as being definite hets for various traits prior to that specific ad? All the ones sold without mention of the genetics of the patent animals?

What about the folks who bought those misrepresented animals under the mistaken belief that they were buying genetic potential?

Is she going to contact them all, explain her ignorance and give them full refunds on the animals she fraudulently sold them?
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Heres a link to the ad I quoted from

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135434

Seamus I cant answer your questions, I believe that it was her first clutch produced. probably only a couple dragons were sold? but Im not certain about that.

Being poss het hypo and poss het trans certainly is alot of genetic potential.
 
Seamus Haley said:
And all the animals she has "mistakenly" sold as being definite hets for various traits prior to that specific ad? All the ones sold without mention of the genetics of the patent animals?
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There were never any 100% hets ever sold by Nicole before this clutch.
 
Seamus Haley said:
And all the animals she has "mistakenly" sold as being definite hets for various traits prior to that specific ad? All the ones sold without mention of the genetics of the patent animals?

What about the folks who bought those misrepresented animals under the mistaken belief that they were buying genetic potential?
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All the hets sold are 2

The folks that bought the 2 hets can contact me and I will buy them back so I can raise them up as breeders for myself. I would love to have some color that she produces. its top quality all the way.
 
Ed,
Nicole has "apologized" to Aaron, are YOU going to apologize for the way you treated him in this thread ????
 
I have to apologize to anyone that was offended by reading the private message I sent to Aaro.

The reason I sent it in a private message was because I would never post that on an open forum and it was not intended for anyone elses eyes.

There was some bad blood in this thread and blood pressures went up a little, at this point all we can do is move forward as nicer people in a more positive and constructive manner.......live and learn I guess.

So yes I am sorry to anyone and everyone I offended.
 
Ed Clark said:
I have to apologize to anyone that was offended by reading the private message I sent to Aaro.

The reason I sent it in a private message was because I would never post that on an open forum and it was not intended for anyone elses eyes.

There was some bad blood in this thread and blood pressures went up a little, at this point all we can do is move forward as nicer people in a more positive and constructive manner.......live and learn I guess.

So yes I am sorry to anyone and everyone I offended.
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Cool,
I guess this has been one of those roller-coaster threads (emotionally)....I'm glad to read a less emotionally driven post, I for one, thank you. :thumbsup:
 
Let it die already,

This thread was started by aaron in his dispute with Howling gale dragons.
For the most part the B.O.I. agreed that aaron was in the right.
Nicole of howling Gale apologized for her errors and refunded at least some of aarons money.
It's Over, Drop It!!!


"Still thinking of a cool quote to make myself seem more important than I really am"

Phil Rotoli
 
rin0425 said:
I agree, and I had no intention of posting here until she denied her error and then stopped communicating with me. Im not a jerk, but I made it clear to her what I was looking for and that I was making an investment.

Truthfully, Would you pay 250 for a nipped 4 week old dragon?

Aaron Scofield, CVT
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Depends..I've paid a lot more for dragons with nipped tails and feet but had great coloring.
 
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