Bad Guy Jeff and Christina Wise (Wise Reptiles) Stole Money from Benefit Auctions for Maggie

[R. Eventide]

Dude, people, calm down. Nothin's gonna get done if we sit here and point fingers at each other...not to mention, we don't want people all upset at each other. Remember how we all got together to help Maggie...and are now getting all together again to get her money back? Let's leave the petty bickering to another time/thread after we get this worked out. Mkay?

Back to the topic at hand.... I don't know if this will help or not, but I know why their checks were in the #9994 range. I just had to close and open a new checking account because of fraud (seems like that's happening a lot lately), and the few checks they give you until you order new ones are in the #9990s.

 

[StrictlyExotics]

IF they did not disclose they were taking a cut... then yes it was fraud.

Taking a couple of points would NOT be considered fraud. Had they ONLY taken a couple of points, which equals 120.00 - 150.00, it wouldnt have even been considered grand larceny. Kevin think about it, if they took 120.00 total, would there REALLY be much of a case? Do you REALLY think a judge would prosecute them for fraud?

What the heck is your problem? Fraud is fraud. It is very simple. I don't know why you are going the extra mile to state that you wouldn't have mind if they took a little off the top. That it wouldn't be a crime. It doesn't matter whatyou would have minded. It was a crime to take anything.



They stated all funds were going to the families. Why do you think they posted the phony check? They didn't provide a legal service to take a percentage of anything. Again, what the hell is your problem?

Dennis, I have tons of respect for you so I wont argue with you. But, the fact still remains that if they took a couple of points (120.00) for their troubles, we wouldnt be here in a thread with 100k + views. All I said was that I personally would not have gone to my credit card company, IC3, postal inspectors, and my local police. Personally, I dont think a judge in this country would prosecute them for fraud over 120.00. Again, just my opinion. However, this isnt the case and that IS why we are here. But, I do not understand why the personal attacks are geared towards me just because I state my opinion regarding the law.

He has been making light of several things during this thread that could be considered defending the Wise's. It makes you wonder what his motive is behind it. Or does he just not think about what he is saying.

Brian, name ONE thing I have made light about, if you can. Personally, I am getting tired of the attacks directed towards me on this thread. Ive been called a "scammer" in chat by a member here because I believe "other" evidence and made 3 posts defending the evidence shown to me. And to think, I wasnt even one of their friends. I am NOT defending what they did. I feel horrible about it. But, I am tired of all the personal attacks when I have been doing my part.

Now you really want to accuse me of being a part of this or defending them? Why would I be getting emails to "cease and desist" for defending them if that were the case? That is borderline slander.

Trust me, I have taken all the steps that I could to see this matter handled appropriately from emailing my suspicions in March to going to my local authorities to talking to their local media. Other than posting here Brian, what have YOU done?

 

[Sadistic Serpent]

You know, I've been reading this thread since last night. All 195 pages. All I can gather is two people stole money from a widow and her three children who desperately needed the money, and a lot of very well-respeced people who are very nice and supportive coming together to help Maggie.

I think what Christina and Jeff Wise did was absolutely horrid, and I think about all of us can agree on that. Christina and Jeff have had many chances to right there wrong, but they didn't do anything. So far, they have just hidden behind eevrything, given excuses, and haven't owned up to their mistake. Instead, they act like a child and duck and run.

Honestly, though? I want to know two things:

1. How can I help Maggie?
2. And has Christina or Jeff Wise gotten any punishments? At all?

 

[JudyC]

2. And has Christina or Jeff Wise gotten any punishments? At all?

Having their personal SHAME plastered all over their favorite reptile haunts and then across the internet via Facebook, etc...and even to their own circle of friends and family.......that's just the beginning.

The rest takes time. When a thread gets to be THIS long, it makes it seem, to the reader, that a LOT of time has also passed...but in reality, it's been a very short time (relatively speaking) since this issue came to light. Let's not get impatience or lose focus just because justice doesn't happen as fast as it seem to in a 60 minute television drama.

 

[Sadistic Serpent]

Having their personal SHAME plastered all over their favorite reptile haunts and then across the internet via Facebook, etc...and even to their own circle of friends and family.......that's just the beginning.

The rest takes time. When a thread gets to be THIS long, it makes it seem, to the reader, that a LOT of time has also passed...but in reality, it's been a very short time (relatively speaking) since this issue came to light. Let's not get impatience or lose focus just because justice doesn't happen as fast as it seem to in a 60 minute television drama.

Thanks! so far, I've just read about child protective services, police, and lawyers. I really do hope they get what is coming to them.

 

[Lucille]

Taking a couple of points would NOT be considered fraud.

I consider it fraud.

Would they have been prosecuted? For that amount, probably not. That still does not change the fact that they were not entitled to dip their hands into the till and take ANY monies meant for a widow and her children.

I think many of us are at heart nice people. But I do not feel the slightest of warm fuzzies for the Wises. I do not excuse any of their actions. The fact that they tried to compound their disgusting behavior with the paypal deal makes me all the more disinclined to entertain even the slightest of excuses by them, or in their behalf.

It is a slippery slope to say that the theft of even one penny is OK. It is not.

 

[dturner100]

Where do you have ANY reason to accuse Dean of "defending the Wise's"? Dean has done nothing but work on this situation not to mention all while trying to recover from a tornado disaster of his own.

Is it really true that no good deed goes unpunished? Come on.

Indeed I was upset that Dean suspected some misconduct, and didn't blow the whistle, but like Rich himself said there's really no way he could have in the case he could have been wrong about it.

Since this whole thing started Dean has been working just as hard as Kevin, David, and Rich, etc... and he makes one hypothetical statement "If it would have been a couple points blah, blah, whatever... Then it wouldn't have been AS BIG of a deal". Hell I see what he's saying.

All you guys are doing on that track is prosecuting who ever you can get your hands on because you see the REAL criminals slipping through our hands.

Let's get back on track here.

 

[Matt2979]

Where do you have ANY reason to accuse Dean of "defending the Wise's"? Dean has done nothing but work on this situation not to mention all while trying to recover from a tornado disaster of his own.

Is it really true that no good deed goes unpunished? Come on.

Indeed I was upset that Dean suspected some misconduct, and didn't blow the whistle, but like Rich himself said there's really no way he could have in the case he could have been wrong about it.

Since this whole thing started Dean has been working just as hard as Kevin, David, and Rich, etc... and he makes one hypothetical statement "If it would have been a couple points blah, blah, whatever... Then it wouldn't have been AS BIG of a deal". Hell I see what he's saying.

All you guys are doing on that track is prosecuting who ever you can get your hands on because you see the REAL criminals slipping through our hands.

Let's get back on track here.

We can NOT lose focus on the real task at hand by turning on one another. I have to admit that I've been discouraged from keeping up with every post on this thread because of some bickering; however, I'm not coming here for reading pleasure. I want to continue to do what I can to help these families that we all set out to help in the first place AND do my part to gather/offer evidence towards the conviction of the actual guilty party.

I now have my IC3 number that was e-mailed back to me. Dave (DAND), do you want me to e-mail this to you? If not, let me know where to send it.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I consider it fraud.

Would they have been prosecuted? For that amount, probably not. That still does not change the fact that they were not entitled to dip their hands into the till and take ANY monies meant for a widow and her children.

I think many of us are at heart nice people. But I do not feel the slightest of warm fuzzies for the Wises. I do not excuse any of their actions. The fact that they tried to compound their disgusting behavior with the paypal deal makes me all the more disinclined to entertain even the slightest of excuses by them, or in their behalf.

It is a slippery slope to say that the theft of even one penny is OK. It is not.

To "say" or even "infer."

I, too, read simply to see what progress has been made, so far, in the persecution of this "UN" Wise duo.

 

[DAND]

I now have my IC3 number that was e-mailed back to me. Dave (DAND), do you want me to e-mail this to you? If not, let me know where to send it.

E-mail it to me please at [email protected]

Thanks

 

[R. Eventide]

It is a slippery slope to say that the theft of even one penny is OK. It is not.

I'd like to know who, here, said the theft of even one penny is okay...'cause...I sure didn't see anyone say that, and I'd wager most--if not all--of the people here would agree that the theft of "even one penny" is okay.

You guys are reading into what Dean said far, far too much. I'd suggest going back and re-reading his actual words. I, for one, agree with him: taking a little off the top wouldn't be as bad. Before y'all go flying off the handle again, re-read what I put in italics. Does that mean it wouldn't be bad? Does that mean they wouldn't be liars? Does that mean what they did wouldn't be awful? Does that mean we wouldn't still be trying to get the money rightfully owed Maggie and her family? NO, NO, NO, and...NO.

Also, the "slippery slope" argument is a logical fallacy.

 

[R. Eventide]

Dangit, can't type. That first sentence should say, "I'd wager most--if not all--of the people on here would agree that the theft of "even one penny" is NOT okay."

 

[cboocks]

Wow. I may be new to this online community but I must say I am amazed at everything that has been done for fellow members (I have been up for over 12 hours reading this entire thread). It renews my faith in humanity. Maggie, Rich, and all those fighting to have this horrendous wrong righted and to have the Wise's see true justice, you're in my prayers. If there is anything that I can do to help, let me know. I have never been more proud to be part of a group of people. The Wise's have done something inhuman and utterly horrible but in the mess they left behind, you have banded together to try to right the wrong they committed against Maggie and her children. Maggie, if you or your kids need ANYTHING, send me a PM and I'll see if I can arrange it. I'm also going to contact some people I know involved with WVU's newpaper. It's not much, but they might be able to get the story taken to other heights. I can only hope that the Wise's are prosecuted to the fullest extent possible and that the money stolen is given to those it was initially intended for.

 

[deborahbroadus]

I'd like to know who, here, said the theft of even one penny is okay...'cause...I sure didn't see anyone say that, and I'd wager most--if not all--of the people here would agree that the theft of "even one penny" is okay.

You guys are reading into what Dean said far, far too much. I'd suggest going back and re-reading his actual words. I, for one, agree with him: taking a little off the top wouldn't be as bad. Before y'all go flying off the handle again, re-read what I put in italics. Does that mean it wouldn't be bad? Does that mean they wouldn't be liars? Does that mean what they did wouldn't be awful? Does that mean we wouldn't still be trying to get the money rightfully owed Maggie and her family? NO, NO, NO, and...NO.

Also, the "slippery slope" argument is a logical fallacy.

Post 1917:

They could have taken a "couple" of points for their service but not 80ish%.

 

[dturner100]

Deborah he wasn't saying it was okay he was simply saying that it wouldn't have been so crushing, and he was right. The amount they took has taken a toll not only on Maggie, but this whole community. If they'd have stolen a small amount it would have been just as wrong, but with less overall damage.

I don't think Dean at all meant anything about wrong or right, but the toll it would have taken rather that what it has.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Deborah he wasn't saying it was okay he was simply saying that it wouldn't have been so crushing, and he was right. The amount they took has taken a toll not only on Maggie, but this whole community. If they'd have stolen a small amount it would have been just as wrong, but with less overall damage.

I don't think Dean at all meant anything about wrong or right, but the toll it would have taken rather that what it has.

Thank you. I don't know what he "meant" only what he said.

I agree that it may have been "less" damaging..but thief is thief.

*I don't see the need to pretty or rationalize it. I don't see much sense in advertising to future scammers that they can come in and if they just take a "little" no one will bother them?

**yeah, yeah, I know that's probably not what he "meant."

 

[zzzdanz]

Deborah,it's quite obvious you have a hair across your ass when it comes to Dean for some reason.
If you have something to say to him just say it already.

 

[Wolfy-hound]

Dean said it wasn't FRAUD to take "a couple points". That's a error right there. It's FRAUD to take ANYTHING. It would not be enough for the law to do anything about it, but it's still legally FRAUD.

If only a couple hundred dollars was missing, most likely no one would have noticed. But it STILL would have been fraud and skimming off of funds that wasn't theirs. If someone steals $5 out of your pocket, it's still theft. It doesn't matter if that was your ONLY $5 or if you had another $5000 in your pocket at the time. It's still theft.

I think that Dean MEANT to say that it wouldn't have seemed like a big deal if a hundred bucks was missing, not that it would have been okay for them to take a hundred bucks. But the way he phrased it makes him say it would be fine for them to steal a LITTLE money from Maggie.

I'm pretty sure Dean doesn't think what the Wises did was right, nor do I believe Dean thinks it would have been okay for the Wises to steal just a little money. Stealing even ten dollars would have been theft/fraud.. although it wouldn't be something you could really prosecute over.

Now... back to the actual purpose of the thread.

Get your reports in if you sent money in.
Maggie, hang in there, it will get better one day. I hope your kiddos are doing okay, or as well as could be expected at this sad time. Very sorry to hear about your additional loss.

 

[deborahbroadus]

Deborah,it's quite obvious you have a hair across your ass when it comes to Dean for some reason.
If you have something to say to him just say it already.

Don't know where you got THAT from. Just pointing out why people may have taken his post the wrong way.

Do you have a problem with my posts? I haven't said anything "original."

 

[StrictlyExotics]

We were all misled into thinking that all of the funds would be sent to Maggie, not just a tiny percentage. Honestly, had it been the other way around with the monies, I would still be irritated but I would not have gone through the trouble to prosecute them. They could have taken a "couple" of points for their service but not 80ish%. Who did they think they were, United Way?

Post 1917:

Deb, why not quote the entire paragraph and NOT just what you like? Why "make" it look like I am siding with the Wise's? Oh yeah, its because you consider me a scammer, I forgot.

Thank you. I don't know what he "meant" only what he said.

I agree that it may have been "less" damaging..but thief is thief.

*I don't see the need to pretty or rationalize it. I don't see much sense in advertising to future scammers that they can come in and if they just take a "little" no one will bother them?
**yeah, yeah, I know that's probably not what he "meant."

If you dont know what I meant, why not RE-READ the entire post.

Here, I will post when you decided to group me, and my wife, in with scammers. Unfortunately, this is the only one I was smart enough to save.

SierraMarie: ok you know what I have to say something
deborahbroadus: I tell you honestly don't trust me
Willow: uh oh
deborahbroadus: you must have a contract
SapphireGemReptiles: Hi Hi
Cheryl_Marchek_AKA_JM: I have one of those friends here too
SierraMarie: Dean is my husband and the nerve of you to go on a forum and call him specifically twice
deborahbroadus: lol
deborahbroadus: whatever
SierraMarie: you don't have to trust him ... he doesn't give a *!@# about you trusting him
deborahbroadus: you put your business out there
deborahbroadus: I don't trust either of you
SierraMarie: but what you did was over the top
deborahbroadus: and your point is
SierraMarie: i don't give a *!@# if you trust me or not
deborahbroadus: then shut up
SierraMarie: you can ask most people here in chat
SierraMarie: that when you left and people were bitching about you
deborahbroadus: don't have to ask anyone...you new to me
SierraMarie: I defended you and so did he
DaveyFig: if you ladies are going to argue, I am going to have to ask that you remove your shirts
SapphireGemReptiles: *duck and covers*
deborahbroadus: they can bitch that's their right
deborahbroadus: lol
bradleymoore: goddamn, stop arguing
Willow hides
deborahbroadus: lol
deborahbroadus: LMAO
SierraMarie: but you proved to me that you are exactly like everyone said you were
deborahbroadus: oh I am? lol
David_Reid: <----loves getting hit in the face with flying boobs
Fedawg: lmAO
deborahbroadus: the first line of the scammers...pick somone and tell them no one likes them?