Appreciate it. I think we can talk about both. Have you ever thought about snakes and the bible? I started thinking about this when my wife of ten years protested me bringing a snake into the house. She said it was evil. I asked her to show me where, and she went to genesis and Eve, which we all know, and read it. I asked her if the verse said the serpent was more evil than any other creature, and she looked a second time and found what I was getting at. It specifically states the snake is more subtil than any of the creatures. Subtil does not equal evil. She then said the bible uses a serpent to represent Lucifer. I mentioned it is also used to represent Christ. She thought I was kidding, then I reminded her of John 3:16, which was at one time the most often quoted verse in all of scripture (now it is do not judge, lest ye want to be judged). She asked how that means Christ is represented by a snake, and I asked her what John 3:14 & 15 state. She went and got her bible to read those verses leading up to 3:16, and was surprised at what she found. Remember what He was explaining to Nicodemus?