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porkchop48 08-24-2009 11:51 PM

OOps forgot.

Up to 43 vendors.

Randolph's Redtail's 08-24-2009 11:56 PM

Your a little cutie, just like your frogs!

Home-Grown 08-25-2009 10:57 PM

as far as the "exclusives" go, Paul promised me there would be none. That is until the almighty Rodent Pro got involved, now the only frozen rodent deelers will be Rodent Pro and Vince Clemens (he gave Paul his money before Rodent Pro got involved).

Randolph's Redtail's 08-25-2009 11:39 PM

Hey Deb, whats up! Just talked to Vince yesterday while pickin up my mealworms , he said it did'nt matter to him, he has free table space and he's close to home . I'm sure he will still make sales to his regulars.

porkchop48 08-26-2009 07:23 AM

I never really did understand the point of "exclusives"

Can some one fill me in?

Home-Grown 08-26-2009 02:48 PM

Exclusives are for the people that are afraid of alittle competition. There shouldn't be any exclusives. How many snake vendors are there? How many turtle & lizard vendors? We weren't afraid of the competition of the other rodent dealers. We were breeders & our prices were lower than even Rodent Pros were. Are they the only vendors that have any expenses going to any shows? All we've heard is a bunch of lies.

wyblep 08-26-2009 04:34 PM

I wanted to take a moment to address the issue of "exclusive" vendors at our shows.

When Ben & I decided to do a show and created our business plan, we discussed that we wanted to have a show free of exclusive vendors of a specific item.

We then solicited vendors face to face and asked them to consider vending at our show. In the initial days of contacting vendors, the question of "exclusives" came up in regard to frozen rodent sales. When asked this question, we answered by saying that we did not want any exclusive arrangements.

After a short time of promoting the show, we were approached by Casey of Rodent Pro. Casey wanted to vend at our show but Rodent Pro has a stipulation that they only vend at shows where they are the exclusive provider of frozen rodents.

At this time, we told Casey that another vendor, Vince Clemens, had already submitted his application and table fee. We told Casey that Vince would be attending this show no matter what Ben & I decided about exclusives and that I would get back to him.

Ben & I struggled with this decision for several days. On one hand, we had told people that we weren't having exclusive arrangements. On the other hand, Rodent Pro brings a large customer following with them. Rodent Pro had also agreed to email their contact list (over 35,000 people) to inform them of their appearance at our show if we would let them attend as exclusives.

At that time, we only had solid commitments from Vince Clemens and Rodent Pro. At that time, we decided to do what was best for the show. We made a business decision to allow Rodent Pro to be exclusive. Any good business plan has to be constantly revised.

Inevitably there will be some personal feelings hurt, even though this was purely a business decision.

When Deb's husband John called me on the phone, I explained all of this to him. I'm very sorry for hurting your feelings with this decision.

Sincerely
Paul Wyble
Ben Corcetti
Steel City Reptile Expo Ltd.

retic88 08-27-2009 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 762066)
Exclusives are for the people that are afraid of alittle competition. There shouldn't be any exclusives. How many snake vendors are there?

Have to aggree with you on that one deb. I dont use rodent pro due to there prices are way to high. Deb and Vince have good prices and i deal with both of them all the time.

Shadera 08-27-2009 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by retic88 (Post 762392)
Have to aggree with you on that one deb. I dont use rodent pro due to there prices are way to high. Deb and Vince have good prices and i deal with both of them all the time.

I'm not impressed with RodentPros quality at ALL. I recently gave away about a hundred of their rats because my snakes turned up their noses at them. Thin, dirty - yuck. Shame there won't be any competition for pricing, that's the reason a lot of us go to the shows.

That said, I will still be there. Just not buying any rodents. Paul has still put together an awesome list of vendors otherwise.

porkchop48 08-27-2009 10:58 AM

Is there going to end up being other exclusives?

mvite 08-27-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by porkchop48 (Post 762552)
Is there going to end up being other exclusives?

Yes--I will be the only dark-haired a-hole who will be wearing Steelers' crocs with one of the shoes broken---who has lavender bloodred corns with the name Mark.

porkchop48 08-27-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mvite (Post 762562)
Yes--I will be the only dark-haired a-hole who will be wearing Steelers' crocs with one of the shoes broken---who has lavender bloodred corns with the name Mark.

Dont forget the mankini. Or banana hammock as some would call them.:eek:

mvite 08-27-2009 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by porkchop48 (Post 762563)
Dont forget the mankini. Or banana hammock as some would call them.:eek:

Paul wanted me to clarify that I WILL NOT be wearing a man kini---He will be.

Mike Shaffer Reptiles 08-27-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mvite (Post 762562)
Yes--I will be the only dark-haired a-hole who will be wearing Steelers' crocs with one of the shoes broken---who has lavender bloodred corns with the name Mark.

Way to go! Now everyone will be looking at your feet instead of the snakes!

porkchop48 08-27-2009 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Shaffer Reptiles (Post 762566)
Way to go! Now everyone will be looking at your feet instead of the snakes!


Heck no they will be looking to see if he snuck in the mankini :yesnod:

I do not want to see no stinky ass feet with broken crocs.

Mike Shaffer Reptiles 08-27-2009 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by porkchop48 (Post 762603)
Heck no they will be looking to see if he snuck in the mankini :yesnod:

I do not want to see no stinky ass feet with broken crocs.

Your right! That might be the his way of getting people to look under the table to see the mankini! Good thinking! My eyes will stay above the table! No offense Mark!:D

mvite 08-27-2009 01:53 PM

Paul & Ben are getting ready for a tri-state pilgrimmage to stick yard signs in strategic locations.

They are talking about driving deep into Ohio, the Pittsburgh Universities and even near the campus of WVU.

Brad McC & I were just on the phone and Brad may have said it best. "If there's anyone I want promoting a show, it's Paulie and Ben because they are spending the money to do it right."

Date change-able yard signs! Woot---I will give money off of any of my animals if peeps can post pics when they see a yard sign! Get your camera phones in gear!

Mike Shaffer Reptiles 08-27-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mvite (Post 762643)

Date change-able yard signs! Woot---I will give money off of any of my animals if peeps can post pics when they see a yard sign! Get your camera phones in gear!

Can I get money off if I take a pic of a sign while I'm at Ben's?:rofl:

mvite 08-27-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Shaffer Reptiles (Post 762659)
Can I get money off if I take a pic of a sign while I'm at Ben's?:rofl:

Yessssssssssss!
And I will have my pastel het ghost girl there. You know you want her. :)

Mike Shaffer Reptiles 08-27-2009 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mvite (Post 762707)
Yessssssssssss!
And I will have my pastel het ghost girl there. You know you want her. :)

Good! Cause I might just take her!:yesnod:

mvite 08-29-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Shaffer Reptiles (Post 762763)
Good! Cause I might just take her!:yesnod:

I actually have a "trade in your male ghost" promotion going on right now. You can receive 100% credit from your past purchase towards this ULTIMATE GHOST PACKAGE!

1.0 Butter Ghost - 09
0.1 Ghost - 09
0.1 Pastel het Ghost - 09
0.1 Het Ghost

With your trade in and a pic of the show sign---I can get you driving this package for about $300 a month...... :D

Shadi or Paul--Any updates on Mr. Big?????

Mike Shaffer Reptiles 08-29-2009 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mvite (Post 763827)
I actually have a "trade in your male ghost" promotion going on right now. You can receive 100% credit from your past purchase towards this ULTIMATE GHOST PACKAGE!

1.0 Butter Ghost - 09
0.1 Ghost - 09
0.1 Pastel het Ghost - 09
0.1 Het Ghost

With your trade in and a pic of the show sign---I can get you driving this package for about $300 a month...... :D

Shadi or Paul--Any updates on Mr. Big?????

Sounds tempting man! You must need that guy back for something huh? Maybe you should tell me so I can make all the $$!:thumbsup:

I think I will take the 0.1 Pastel Het Ghost at the show though!

Home-Grown 08-29-2009 03:18 PM

First of all, let's go back to Paul's original response.

"In the initial days of contacting vendors, the question of "exclusives" came up in regard to frozen rodent sales. When asked this question, we answered by saying that we did not want any exclusive arrangements." And "...but Rodent Pro has a stipulation that they only vend at shows where they are the exclusive provider of frozen rodents.""

It was not us who asked for an exclusive. We were the ones promised there would be none. Is Rodent Pro the only frozen dealers in Hamburg or the 2 Ohio shows? No! At the Harmar show, we are able to sell frozen rodents along with two other rodent dealers. There, we make little more than enough to feed our colony ($90 a week to feed regardless if we make any money that week,) and our average $400 per month frozen mice order from Rodent Pro. The Mars show has Vince as the exclusive frozen dealer and is barely worth us going but it's like 5 miles away. Paul knows all of this. I also gave Paul my word that I would be at his show (I'm sure Floyd did as well). Some would simply say "if you only gave Paul Your table money." I realize now what a mistake that was, but with 2 months to go after the Harmar show, I needed all the cash I had to feed the animals. With over 1000 rats in your basement, you better not run out of feed.

So, why all of this whining and "hurt feelings." Well, we met Paul through Brad (who was our 'only' friend who encouraged us to breed rats) and raised rats for Paul on 2 different occasions. The first time, we were just getting started and we trusted our 'best-friend' Brad on what would be a fair price. $1.15 for small-live rats 'every week'. Smalls turned into mediums (a week of extra work & feed) and 'every week' turned into every 2 weeks (more work & feed just to freeze fhem.) It then turned into a 5 week strecth of Paul not showing up, leaving us feeding and caging his 100 rats until they were the size of Rodent Pros mediums. I had to finally end it when we were taking money from my paycheck to feed Pauls animals and we were almost broke. The second time Paul was in some kind of a bind. We were better breeders (given lots of inside tips from 20 year rat breeders), and most of all, we had new (to us) lab racks (that Brad got for us) to breed them in. We wanted badly to be Pauls rat guys. Paul showed faithfully for his rats this time, but the price, again, proved to be a back breaker for a small time (200 breeding females) rat breeder.

Both times almost killed us financially. Both times we had to stop the arrangement. Both times Paul (and Brad) degraded us as though we had no idea what we were talking about or how to breed rats. I'm sorry, but (good rule of thumb, everything before "but" is B. S.) we would never...tell Mr. Brachman how to breed gecko's...tell Jim how to breed Boa's...tell Porkchop how to breed frogs or ever tell Paul how to breed high dollar ball pythons (that we almost lost everything to feed!)

So, in the end, Paul (and in my mind, Brad as well) totally threw us under the bus for Rodent Pro and their 35,000 e-mail list. Given the fact that Rodent Pro is the worlds largest rodent dealer, how many of those 35,000 do you suppose are able to show up in south-western Pa.? So much for helping the little guy that's local to our area! We have heard many customers tell us that they prefer our rats over Rodent Pro or Vince because of the quality and price! To them, we say, from the bottom of our hearts, "Thank You!" We did not buy our frozen rats (like Vince) (it's much easier to buy and sell), we bred them with devotion. We bought our frozen mice from Rodent Pro. Just the other day, Brad said to me (he has since also started breeding rats) "I don't see why you can't get $1.50 for a live small rat." How much then should a live medium rat go for when 'every week' is more like every 2 weeks or more? Just for reference, Rodent Pro normally sells frozen medium rats for $1.39, and on super sale, they sell for $1.19 (without shipping...frozen) At Brads discretion, we were trying to sell Paul 'live' medium rats for $1.15 (our frozen medium rats sold everyday for $1.25.) Whatever happened to the advice of my good friend "They are always worth more alive than they are frozen." Some friends huh? But then again, I know they see it more as "'Who can do more for me right now?"

And to Paul...we did not make the decision to kill our top quality breeder rats and sell all of our reptiles and cages over "hurt feelings," or just "throwing in the towel." I gave you my word, I'd be at your show, I have always kept my word to you in the past. But I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that you didn't keep yours to us, it's not like it's the first time. I am reminded of something my father told me years ago, "you can always judge a mans character by how they treat someone who can do nothing for them." There is a lot of work for 2 people to organize the breeding schedules of 200 females and deal with all of the poop of well over 1,000 live rats (5 large Rubbermaid totes every week!) Do we even have to discuss the smell! It simply wasn't worth a little pocket money. Your great new show would have finally been a huge reward for us, but you went ahead and shit on us again anyway.

We made this decision because we got tired of the two biggest names in this industry, in this area (one of them, I really thought of as a true friend) sticking their males appendages into our backsides!

Shadera 08-29-2009 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mvite (Post 763827)
Shadi or Paul--Any updates on Mr. Big?????

Nothing yet, though I've practically offered him my soul. He's been really busy with some things lately so I don't blame him for being a bit slow getting back to me. I plan to call on Monday to beg some more.

KelliH 08-29-2009 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)

"In the initial days of contacting vendors, the question of "exclusives" came up in regard to frozen rodent sales. When asked this question, we answered by saying that we did not want any exclusive arrangements." And "...but Rodent Pro has a stipulation that they only vend at shows where they are the exclusive provider of frozen rodents."

So, in the end, Paul (and in my mind, Brad as well) totally threw us under the bus for Rodent Pro and their 35,000 e-mail list.

Yes the promoters certainly did lie to you and throw you under the bus. Big deal that Rodent Pro is going to send emails out to their national customer list. How many of those customers will attend this little show? Also Rodent Pro sounds to me like insecure babies that can't deal with a little healthy competition.

mvite 08-29-2009 06:31 PM

I dunno -- this sounds more like a BOI thread to me.

If you have an issue with Rodent Pro or SCRE you should start a BOI thread.

I apologize for not being emotional as I am sure I would be if this issue affected me.

If a BOI thread is started, I think there will be a couple people to step up to speak of Paul's character.

I'll even start a thread in Hell for us all to play.

But please refrain from poopin' on-a-my-thread with this any more, K?

KelliH 08-29-2009 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mvite (Post 763947)
I dunno -- this sounds more like a BOI thread to me.

If you have an issue with Rodent Pro or SCRE you should start a BOI thread.

I apologize for not being emotional as I am sure I would be if this issue affected me.

If a BOI thread is started, I think there will be a couple people to step up to speak of Paul's character.

I'll even start a thread in Hell for us all to play.

But please refrain from poopin' on-a-my-thread with this any more, K?

It kinda seems to me that the show promoters are the ones doing the poopin' and not the people discussing the topic of this thread. I was just offering my opinion about what was already posted here. Nothing personal about it at all; but the discussion does interest me.

mvite 08-29-2009 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KelliH (Post 763955)
It kinda seems to me that the show promoters are the ones doing the poopin' and not the people discussing the topic of this thread. I was just offering my opinion about what was already posted here. Nothing personal about it at all; but the discussion does interest me.

No offense intended---and by all means---every reply here is a good bump for the show.

My original intention for this thread was as a herp enthusiast. I'm damn happy that my friends have rounded up some of the coolest vendors from far-reaching parts of the quad-state area. I also consider Debbie & John friends of mine. I just didn't want this thread to stray from my original intent of BEING TOTALLY FRIGGIN PSYCHED to be getting ready to attend a show as great as this one sounds.

I don't feel like watching friends go at each other here. This hobby is crazy like this sometimes.

I just wanna buy snakes and turtles and lizards and make friends. (And buy more snakes too.)

Mike Shaffer Reptiles 08-29-2009 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mvite (Post 764057)

I just wanna buy snakes and turtles and lizards and make friends. (And buy more snakes too.)

I'll be your friend Mark! I'll buy your snakes too!:yesnod:

mvite 08-29-2009 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Shaffer Reptiles (Post 764059)
I'll be your friend Mark! I'll buy your snakes too!:yesnod:

Can't beat that. Friends who give you money! :thumbsup:

wyblep 08-30-2009 07:16 PM

I need to take a moment to address these statements made by Debbie & John Smith.



I also want to apologize to potential readers because this is going to be a long response.



Debbie & John: On the first occasion, I never had a standing order with you, so you weren’t taking care of my rats, you were doing what rodent breeders do. You were taking care of your rodents.



On the second occasion, I did say that I would need 100 live rats every Friday. And I fulfilled my obligation as buyer for 8-9 weeks until you started saying that you didn’t have enough rats for me and that was it. You told me this same thing for over a month. You left me without rats for 5 weeks with no answers as to why so I had to find someone else.



As you can probably see in her post, Debbie & John leave a lot to be desired in the communication department.



When Debbie & I talked about the show, I told her what I told every vendor that I solicited: “No one is considered registered until their application and table fee was received.”



We wanted this show to be risk-free to vendors by refunding all table fees to them. We also asked for pre-payment & applications to ensure that all vendors would appear at the show. We’ve all been to shows that have empty tables from “no-shows”. We felt that this sent a bad message to attendees and we didn’t want to have it.



Even if Debbie verbally committed (which she didn’t), I would not have considered that as confirmation and I made that clear to all vendors that I solicited.





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Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)
The Mars show has Vince as the exclusive frozen dealer and is barely worth us going but it's like 5 miles away.



I never said you couldn’t sell at the show. Is the Mars show responsible for your business failure also?



Quote:

Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)
I needed all the cash I had to feed the animals. With over 1000 rats in your basement, you better not run out of feed.



If a $65 table fee was going to starve your rodents for the week, I think your business plan needs to be revised.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)
So, why all of this whining and "hurt feelings." Well, we met Paul through Brad (who was our 'only' friend who encouraged us to breed rats) and raised rats for Paul on 2 different occasions. The first time, we were just getting started and we trusted our 'best-friend' Brad on what would be a fair price. $1.15 for small-live rats 'every week'. Smalls turned into mediums (a week of extra work & feed) and 'every week' turned into every 2 weeks (more work & feed just to freeze fhem.) It then turned into a 5 week strecth of Paul not showing up, leaving us feeding and caging his 100 rats until they were the size of Rodent Pros mediums. I had to finally end it when we were taking money from my paycheck to feed Pauls animals and we were almost broke. The second time Paul was in some kind of a bind. We were better breeders (given lots of inside tips from 20 year rat breeders), and most of all, we had new (to us) lab racks (that Brad got for us) to breed them in. We wanted badly to be Pauls rat guys.



I don’t even know why this is here. I bought rats from Debbie & John at THEIR VARYING ASKING PRICES. They were supplying a product to me. Prior to my purchasing animals from them, when they called EVERY WEEK to ask me to buy rats from them I told them that I was a busy person. Although I never had a standing order with you on the first occasion, you obviously wanted/needed me as a customer.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)
Paul showed faithfully for his rats this time, but the price, again, proved to be a back breaker for a small time (200 breeding females) rat breeder.



How is this my problem? I paid you exactly what you asked for. How am I the bad guy? You NEVER talked to me about price.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)
Both times almost killed us financially. Both times we had to stop the arrangement. Both times Paul (and Brad) degraded us as though we had no idea what we were talking about or how to breed rats. I'm sorry, but (good rule of thumb, everything before "but" is B. S.) we would never...tell Mr. Brachman how to breed gecko's...tell Jim how to breed Boa's...tell Porkchop how to breed frogs or ever tell Paul how to breed high dollar ball pythons (that we almost lost everything to feed!)



Once again, maybe you should have restructured your pricing or revised your business plan.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)
So, in the end, Paul (and in my mind, Brad as well) totally threw us under the bus for Rodent Pro and their 35,000 e-mail list. Given the fact that Rodent Pro is the worlds largest rodent dealer, how many of those 35,000 do you suppose are able to show up in south-western Pa.? So much for helping the little guy that's local to our area! We have heard many customers tell us that they prefer our rats over Rodent Pro or Vince because of the quality and price! To them, we say, from the bottom of our hearts, "Thank You!" We did not buy our frozen rats (like Vince) (it's much easier to buy and sell), we bred them with devotion. We bought our frozen mice from Rodent Pro. Just the other day, Brad said to me (he has since also started breeding rats) "I don't see why you can't get $1.50 for a live small rat." How much then should a live medium rat go for when 'every week' is more like every 2 weeks or more? Just for reference, Rodent Pro normally sells frozen medium rats for $1.39, and on super sale, they sell for $1.19 (without shipping...frozen) At Brads discretion, we were trying to sell Paul 'live' medium rats for $1.15 (our frozen medium rats sold everyday for $1.25.) Whatever happened to the advice of my good friend "They are always worth more alive than they are frozen." Some friends huh? But then again, I know they see it more as "'Who can do more for me right now?"



Once again sounds like a pricing restructure needed to be done. I paid you exactly what you asked for.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)
And to Paul...we did not make the decision to kill our top quality breeder rats and sell all of our reptiles and cages over "hurt feelings," or just "throwing in the towel." I gave you my word, I'd be at your show, I have always kept my word to you in the past. But I guess I shouldn't have been surprised that you didn't keep yours to us, it's not like it's the first time.



As I told every solicited vendor, “You are not considered registered for the show until we receive your vendor application and table fees.” Regardless, Debbie NEVER verbally committed to the show.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)
I am reminded of something my father told me years ago, "you can always judge a mans character by how they treat someone who can do nothing for them."



And now you are questioning my character? Please, anyone reading this do me a favor before condemning my character based on Debbie’s words; Please search the BOI for my past actions in this hobby over many years.



As I said in my original post, Ben & I both struggled with the issue of “exclusives”. Due to business circumstances we felt that it was in our best interest to allow Rodent Pro to be exclusive for frozen rodents at this time.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Home-Grown (Post 763870)
There is a lot of work for 2 people to organize the breeding schedules of 200 females and deal with all of the poop of well over 1,000 live rats (5 large Rubbermaid totes every week!) Do we even have to discuss the smell! [b]It simply wasn't worth a little pocket money.[/B} Your great new show would have finally been a huge reward for us, but you went ahead and shit on us again anyway.



We made this decision because we got tired of the two biggest names in this industry, in this area (one of them, I really thought of as a true friend) sticking their males appendages into our backsides!



You’ve been breeding rodents in your home for over 3 years. I tried doing this one time and the smell was overwhelming. There’s no doubt you’ve made some sacrifices in trying to get your business off the ground.



I announced the show two months ago. It sounds like your business was failing miserably long before the announcement of our show.

I am a little confused as to why you would feel wronged by Brad in any way. He has nothing to do with our show and knew nothing of the exclusive with Rodent Pro until it was on our website. As far as I can see, he has helped you numerous times over the years.



The fact that you feel that you have been wronged by Brad is purely INSANE.



When I talked with you about Rodent Pro’s exclusive at our show, I tried to explain that you are more than welcome to sell live rodents just not frozen. Unfortunately, you hung up the phone on me before I could finish.



In your last post, you admitted to attending the Mars show regularly where it also has an exclusive frozen rodent agreement with Vince Clemens.



I’ve never heard you condemn any other show promoters. Why is it that our show ruined your business?



Quote:

Originally Posted by KelliH (Post 763922)
Yes the promoters certainly did lie to you and throw you under the bus. Big deal that Rodent Pro is going to send emails out to their national customer list. How many of those customers will attend this little show? Also Rodent Pro sounds to me like insecure babies that can't deal with a little healthy competition.



Kelli:



I have a question for you.



You don’t know the situation. How can you condemn me as a liar with the information provided?



I never lied about anything. There was a small change in the policy of my business.



I can’t speak about Rodent Pro’s policies regarding exclusivity. They didn’t become the World’s largest supplier of rodents by having a flawed business plan.



I am a father of five great kids. I have a job. I have many animals to clean and feed and I am promoting a new show. I don’t have hours and hours to sit down here to defend my character against claims with ZERO merit.

Paul Wyble
Steel City Reptile Expo Ltd.

KelliH 08-30-2009 09:21 PM

Hey There,

My apologies if the previous comments made by others in this thread were incorrect. I was basing my comments on what had been posted here, and that is all. From what had been stated previously, it was indicated that you would not be taking part in the exclusive vendor deal in your show. It was stated more than once by more than one poster, so I figured those people had heard these promises from you. I can completely understand changing policies etc., and if that's what you did it's your business. The way I understood it was that you had made the change after you had already assured some that it wouldn't be the case. If I was mistaken then again, my apologies. I was simply commenting on words that had been posted in this thread prior to my post. Best of luck with your show, and if I lived in your neck of the woods I would most certainly be a paying attendee.

mvite 08-30-2009 10:36 PM

Speaking of top quality melamine and PVC racks and enclosures,

THE BOAMASTER IS COMING!

Tell me I'm the only one who has asked Mark why he isn't called the Cagemaster or the Rackmaster.

To place an order with Boamaster and save on shipping by picking up at the show, contact Mark Venhorst at 1-540-529-0976.

Imagine FREE SHIPPING of your rack/enclosure.

I feel like one of the misfit toys who got a present. :o

Randolph's Redtail's 08-30-2009 10:42 PM

You do kinda remind me of the charlie in the box !:rofl:

Mike Shaffer Reptiles 08-30-2009 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randolph's Redtail's (Post 764628)
You do kinda remind me of the charlie in the box !:rofl:

LMAO!:rofl:

porkchop48 08-31-2009 07:38 AM

46 Vendors.

I am not doing to shabby at this counting thing.

mvite 08-31-2009 11:58 AM

I am not just a misfit.
I am not just a nit wit.
Can't you see how my snake grows?
Why don't I fit in?


Way to count Kristy!!

Home-Grown 08-31-2009 01:58 PM

This is my last response to Paul. It is Debbie this time. I would like to have this all over & done with but I would like to defend my hubby John and myself first.
First of all, nothing but lies from Paul. We have records showing your first standing order starting in March of 2007 thru August 2007 for 60-65 live small rats & 20-25 live pups weekly. I have records of that. In fact you even supplied the receipt book paul. I have never asked any one to buy my rats. You said I called you every week for you to buy my rats. That is a lie. You approached me at the Cheswick show in Feb. 2007 asking me about buying live rats from us on a weekly basis. It started March 14, 2007. The only time I would call you is when you didnt show up for the rats you said you wanted for several weeks. We have alot of weekly & monthly customers we supply rodents to. When someone asks for this many, this often, we supply that. When we keep our end of the bargain & you dont call or show, then that becomes a problem. You being an ass is not my problem. You see, I have had a very successful business I have owned & operated for alittle over 15 years now. Not related to the reptile industry. We have had alot of experience running a small business with great success. We are not a bunch of idiots like you would like to have people believe. We keep all business records & had a good plan for the breeding of rats. We didnt take out any business loans or scammed anyone to make it all happen. We took from our pockets and worked our asses off to make it work. But you see it takes time to acheive all the goals you set out to acheive and when you have doors closing not allowing to sell frozen rodents & the frozen rodents are a big portion of your sales, it matters. Then where do you go. Our business didnt fail. We just cant see investing more hard work, time & money into something that keeps hitting brick walls. I dont know anyone that starts a business & says their happy only making alittle money & it only going so far. Like I said, my business has been very successful for 15 years. The only bad decision that we have made with the rodent breeding is by letting paul become a customer of ours. Our prices have never varied by the way. Paul paid $1.15 for the live smalls always. We tried to explain that we had to start upping the price to $1.50 but he did nothing but boo hoo about it & that is when the first time around ended. Second time around was for 10 weeks instead of the 6 weeks that he asked me for on the phone & we gave them to him at $1.15. Its another lie you saying we varied your price. I dont want any bullshit being said about John & I. We have worked very hard & been totally honest with everyone that has bought off us. Paul you are a liar on many things. I dont like to start things but I will defend the truth & what we do. To all the great people that have dealt with us, We say a very warm thank you. It isnt at all that the rodent business had failed like paul likes to keep saying. But enough is enough. Paul, you have a great life doing what you do. We wish you the best. We are thankful we dont have to deal with you anymore. By the way someone told me once I could get a cheap cable box off ya. Have a good one everybody.

mvite 08-31-2009 06:37 PM

OK- I'm glad both parties have said that they are done now.

All this bickering---I feel like I'm back at home growing up. I keep waiting for someone to put out their cigarette on me.

NONETHELESS--

Paul and Ben were drivin' their arses off this weekend planting yard signs for the show! Something like 100 signs and 500+ miles were knocked down....

They went all over the place---I can't wait to see people come and check it out.

But I'm sorta bummed that I've sold so much online already--I'll have to have a poker game at my table.

OR MAYBE A SPIDER PIED!!!????!!!!

h3llc4t 08-31-2009 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mvite (Post 765006)
But I'm sorta bummed that I've sold so much online already--I'll have to have a poker game at my table.

Great. Kris got a gleam in his eye and said "I like poker!". I'm just gonna leave him at your table, Mark. Is the spider pied gonna be part of the pot?


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