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My friend has a few AFT's that she brought over to show me tonight. Not thinking I was showing her one of my pet female Leo's. I know her AFT's are healthy so I figured I had no worries with all 4 geckos on the floor while we are playing with them and just enjoying their personalities.

One of her male AFT's bred with my 4 year old female Leo. I've never bred her and she has always just been my pet and I didn't want to breed her since I have a Leo breeding group and she has no special colors or anything that really stands out about her. They "hooked up" faster than I have ever seen and I didn't have a chance to separate them once I realized what was going on. (I didn't want to pull them apart and risk any damage)

My question is if she lays eggs should I discard them or try to hatch them? I have read mixed opinions and appreciate any feedback. I'm kicking myself already for letting this happen so please try and keep the post civil.

Thanks
 
I was curious about this very thing a couple weeks ago and from what I could find online... no one has ever successfully kept a "Cross" bred animal alive. I have no idea what to tell you though...
 
Yea, I've heard that too. I don't know if I want to risk it. I'd feel even worse if hatchlings were deformed and I have never had to cull before and don't think I could do it. I am hoping to not find eggs, but I need to figure out what to do before I "have to".
Thanks for the response.:)
 
candace313 said:
My question is if she lays eggs should I discard them or try to hatch them? I have read mixed opinions and appreciate any feedback. I'm kicking myself already for letting this happen so please try and keep the post civil.
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For the sake of science incubate. I would love to see what comes out. Maybe it's not a good idea to produce a million of them but it would be cool to see.
 
rjarosek said:
chahoua/crested

ball/retic

ball/insert python here

it has been done and quite a bit.
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I know those have been done, but when it comes to Leos/AFT, the babies never stay alive very long at all. Thats just what I have heard. I also read that the eggs are infertile most of the time, and it is hard to get fertile eggs.
 
I wouldn't know where to keep the humidity for the hatchlings either. Any ideas?

It would be interesting to see the hatchlings and try to get them to survive. I guess if they did hatch and did not survive we would at least know what doesn't work as far as survival goes.
 
But if they did hatch and a balance could be found in their environment do you think they would survive or is it that their DNA (cells) can't replicate like they should due to the 2 different genus strands combining?
 
Everything that I have seen is that they die, if they do make it to "teen" age, they look sort of deformed and die (there has only been one case of one animal actually making it that far). I think that it would be a cool experiment, but its up to you on how you feel about having "special" babies...
 
annmikeal said:
The reasoning behind why nothing stays alive or that the eggs are generally not fertile is that they are from different genus... AFT = Hemithoconyx and Leos = Eublepharis...
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:iagree: duhhhhhhhh.... I knew that but for some reason didn't even cross my mind. You are absolutly correct. My example was not even close.

Thank you
 
rjarosek said:
chahoua/crested

ball/retic

ball/insert python here

it has been done and quite a bit.
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Ball/Retic= Python regius x Python reticulatus

Ball/Insert Python Here = Python regius x Python sp.

Leopard Gecko x African fat-tailed Gecko = Eublepharis macularus x Hemitheconyx caudicinctus

Notice the difference? Leopards and fat-tails are in completely different genera, therefore they are only related at the family level (Eublepharidae). The more closely related an organism is to another, the more likely a hybrid will be viable. The more distantly related, the more likely that they do not share the same number of chromosomes, genes will be in different places, and offspring produced will either not survive to hatching or be infertile.

I know others have tried, and I have not heard any successes. Still, I would incubate out of curiosity's sake, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
snowgyre said:
Ball/Retic= Python regius x Python reticulatus

Ball/Insert Python Here = Python regius x Python sp.

Leopard Gecko x African fat-tailed Gecko = Eublepharis macularus x Hemitheconyx caudicinctus

Notice the difference? Leopards and fat-tails are in completely different genera, therefore they are only related at the family level (Eublepharidae). The more closely related an organism is to another, the more likely a hybrid will be viable. The more distantly related, the more likely that they do not share the same number of chromosomes, genes will be in different places, and offspring produced will either not survive to hatching or be infertile.

I know others have tried, and I have not heard any successes. Still, I would incubate out of curiosity's sake, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Are you asking if I noticed?? Did you not read my second post ???? :shrug01: brain shutdown.. :S
 
Nope, just sharing information that other people may not be aware of. Didn't mean to imply anything negative.
 
rjarosek said:
chahoua/crested

ball/retic

ball/insert python here

it has been done and quite a bit.
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It has been done, but all these animals are fairly closely related.

Leo's and fat tails are not even remotely close genetically, so the chances of getting living hatchlings, or even fertile eggs, is as close to zero as you can get.

That being said, if/when she lays, keep them of course!! Cause who knows!!!
 
This Leopard female has laid eggs that appear to be fertile so far and the "color" is developing like normal eggs when I candle them. The only possible "father" is the AFT. They are in the incubator at 80F and we will see if they hatch. I have a small photo log of them and if they hatch I'll post photos from eggs to hatchlings.
It took her around 40 days to lay them after she bred with the AFT.

Thanks for everyone's input as you can tell the science side won and I want to see what happens.
 
candace313 said:
This Leopard female has laid eggs that appear to be fertile so far and the "color" is developing like normal eggs when I candle them. The only possible "father" is the AFT. They are in the incubator at 80F and we will see if they hatch. I have a small photo log of them and if they hatch I'll post photos from eggs to hatchlings.
It took her around 40 days to lay them after she bred with the AFT.

Thanks for everyone's input as you can tell the science side won and I want to see what happens.
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I am very curious to see what comes out. Good luck with the eggs. Lets hope for something freakishly cool but still alive. :)
 
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