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03-02-2003, 10:47 PM

GRRR

I got locked in a discussion about this topic with some people on another forum...

It's amazing how deluded vegans can be:

"I don't see any animal population as being expendable and renewable. Each and every cow, chicken, and dog is a unique individual who can't just be killed and replaced."

Just wondering about an extreme example: do you think each and every Dolly clone is a unique individual who can't just be killed and replaced?

"You're talking about sheep as though they're machines that can be copied. A clone is no different from a twin. I don't think that twins have less rights just for being twins."

What exactly do you want to do with the countless animals that have been for generations in a factoryfarming environment?

"Those animals would no longer be bred, so they would never exist in the first place."

Please explain how this solution fits into todays world? They have been bred, they do exist. It's okay to "torture" the ones that are alive now as long as we don't make more?

Your logic makes no sense. You say each and every animal, even clones, have rights. Then you say that the animals that are factoryfarmed should not be bred so they don't exist in the first place. But they do exist, and therefor you are stating that to ensure the protection of the rights of all animals we must continue to prevent a certain population of animals from acting in a natural way- breeding.

"In modern day farming, breeding of animals is rarely natural. It is done with artificial insemination.

The number of existing cows, chickens, pigs, and so on would gradually decrease as the number of vegans gradually increases."

"simply put, as the demand for animal products goes down so will the number of animals being slaughtered. as the animal industry is soooo concerned with profit, its not going to continue to do something as unprofitable as killing animals no one wants to eat."

And what happens to the surplus? Are the companies going to start a petting zoo? Seriously, there are too many flaws in the plan.

"The demand would be less and less, so there would be fewer and fewer farms with animals. Existing farms with animals would gradually shut down. At some point animal agriculture would probably become illegal, at which point the very few farm animals left would have to be supported in sanctuary environments."

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WOW......

03-02-2003, 10:47 PM	#4
E2MacPets	GRRR I got locked in a discussion about this topic with some people on another forum... It's amazing how deluded vegans can be: "I don't see any animal population as being expendable and renewable. Each and every cow, chicken, and dog is a unique individual who can't just be killed and replaced." Just wondering about an extreme example: do you think each and every Dolly clone is a unique individual who can't just be killed and replaced? "You're talking about sheep as though they're machines that can be copied. A clone is no different from a twin. I don't think that twins have less rights just for being twins." What exactly do you want to do with the countless animals that have been for generations in a factoryfarming environment? "Those animals would no longer be bred, so they would never exist in the first place." Please explain how this solution fits into todays world? They have been bred, they do exist. It's okay to "torture" the ones that are alive now as long as we don't make more? Your logic makes no sense. You say each and every animal, even clones, have rights. Then you say that the animals that are factoryfarmed should not be bred so they don't exist in the first place. But they do exist, and therefor you are stating that to ensure the protection of the rights of all animals we must continue to prevent a certain population of animals from acting in a natural way- breeding. "In modern day farming, breeding of animals is rarely natural. It is done with artificial insemination. The number of existing cows, chickens, pigs, and so on would gradually decrease as the number of vegans gradually increases." "simply put, as the demand for animal products goes down so will the number of animals being slaughtered. as the animal industry is soooo concerned with profit, its not going to continue to do something as unprofitable as killing animals no one wants to eat." And what happens to the surplus? Are the companies going to start a petting zoo? Seriously, there are too many flaws in the plan. "The demand would be less and less, so there would be fewer and fewer farms with animals. Existing farms with animals would gradually shut down. At some point animal agriculture would probably become illegal, at which point the very few farm animals left would have to be supported in sanctuary environments." -------- WOW......