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Bad Guy California Zoological Supply - Horrible Scam.

Seems like an amazing coincidence that two seemingly unrelated victims would just so happen to be so geographically close to one another. Possible, but fairly unlike, I'd think. I think that everyone who's directly involved with this thread should start coughing up some emails to back up their claims.
 
Since this guy contacted his lawyer I contacted mine. He has advised me to say no more on this thread and I may have to take this to court. I also followed these steps and notified these agencies:

Make copies of the advertisement on your local hard drive. Try to get a copy of the logfile transcript that shows this users post Complain to the persons Internet Service Provider that the advertiser is posting fraudulent advertisements and ask the Internet Service Provider to terminate his account for violating it's Terms of Service Agreement
File a complaint at FBI Internet Fraud Complaint Center
File a complaint at ScamBusters
File a complaint on the National Fraud Information Center
File a formal theft complaint with their local law enforcement authorities
File a complaint at the Better Business Bureau
Post a complaint on the pubic USENET forums.
Do NOT post them to private forums such as kingsnake.com's where the website may suffer liability because of your post.
File a formal complaint with the US Postmaster General. (This works best if you sent the person a US Postal Service Money Order). Mail Fraud is a FEDERAL OFFENSE and there are lots of people in PRISON for committing MAIL FRAUD. If you sent your check/money order via US Postal Service to him and he accepted it congrats thats mail fraud.
File a complaint with the webmaster at the site with the advertisement. Make sure to include the URL of the post and do it as soon as you know you've been scammed. Here that would be the abuse coordinator.Please include both your contact info and all the contact info of the individual or business you are complaining about. Please note that we can only enforce our Terms of Service, and cannot mediate or act as an agent on your behalf.

This is good for anyone who has been taken for a ride. Honestly I am not here to bicker and argue back and fourth. I am just telling you what happened to me so you guys can at least be aware that this may happen to you. This can go back and forth like it always does on this thread but I will leave you with this: If you really want to get a straight answer out of this guy then ask him 1) Why does he require you to ship your reptiles to him before he sends you a payment, 2) Why does he only agree to use PayPal after you send him your animals first, and 3) Why wont he split any losses if something unfortunate happens. I think that should be enough to leave any rational person with a clear cut answer about this guy.

P.S. Guys, be aware of "ship your snake first schemes" and people who are hesitant to use systems such as PayPal that give you the option to expose them if they try to take you for a ride with your money. Thanks for your time.
 
While it has been a few years, when I worked at a pet store in Pennsylvania called Martin's Aquarium (in Jenkintown, PA. Now closed) running thier reptile department, I frequently purchased animals for the store from Cal Zoo. I have to say that during that time, I routinely dealt with Ty and never had an issue with any of the animals I recieved from them. Now it is possible things have changed since then but I doubt it..

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Ed Kowalski
 
MiniDragons said:
Since this guy contacted his lawyer I contacted mine. He has advised me to say no more on this thread and I may have to take this to court.
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I did not read where he contacted his lawyer.

Whenever I see someone state "I contacted my lawyer." I smell scammer. Plus, you aren't even posting with your real name. If by some small chance your name is Dexter Morgan, scan your DL & black all but your name, the post it here. Otherwise, you are a scammer in my book & not worth any more of my time or anyone else's.
 
MiniDragons said:
Since this guy contacted his lawyer I contacted mine. He has advised me to say no more on this thread and I may have to take this to court. I also followed these steps and notified these agencies
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How convenient.
MiniDragons said:
If you really want to get a straight answer out of this guy then ask him 1) Why does he require you to ship your reptiles to him before he sends you a payment, 2) Why does he only agree to use PayPal after you send him your animals first, and 3) Why wont he split any losses if something unfortunate happens. I think that should be enough to leave any rational person with a clear cut answer about this guy.
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1)
I was of the same opinion: that it'd be a bonehead move to send snakes before receiving payment. I was informed that, apparently, that's standard operating procedure with wholesalers. Assuming you're not completely FOS, which is a big assumption at this point, it's a little late to complain about terms that you agreed to by allegedly sending your snake. You can't claim ignorance on that one.
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Pretty much the same question as number one, so it's basically the same answer.
3)
You've presented nothing to show that ANY transaction took place. Since you're asking for us to sympathize with your alleged plight, you're going to need to prove that things happened as you've stated.

This whole thread reeks of a spiteful driveby. However, at this point, all three parties appear suspect, at best.
 
ApexPredatorBoids said:
You've presented nothing to show that ANY transaction took place. Since you're asking for us to sympathize with your alleged plight, you're going to need to prove that things happened as you've stated.

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You're putting him in a real pickle. If he doesn't post, the fact that there is no evidence will permanently make his claims suspect.
If he does post, he will have to trash his make believe lawyer's advice.
 
I have done business with Ty at California Zoological Supply several times over the past couple of years and every transaction went very smoothly. He sent me the shipping label, once he received the dragons he cut me a check. No issues.
 
The fact that both people claiming to have had this problem have the same IP address is proof enough they are full of it. Sharing the same IP address doenst mena they are geographially close, it means they are from the same ROUTER, which means they are obviously the same person. "oh the same thing happened to me" total BS.

The fact of the matter is that Cal Zoo is actually a reputable company that buys and sells reptiles. In fact, by buying animals from hobbyists, they are only helping to promote the reptile hobby and promote hobby level breeders by giving them an avenue to move large quantities of their reptiles and amphibians.

Sounds like someone just had a beef with them but didnt have any LEGITIMATE complaints to make.
 
Lucille said:
You're putting him in a real pickle. If he doesn't post, the fact that there is no evidence will permanently make his claims suspect.
If he does post, he will have to trash his make believe lawyer's advice.
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I'm suspect that he'll cling to the advice received from his latest consultation with the surviving members of "The Dream Team", and we'll be fairly unlikely to hear from him again.
 
ronritzer said:
Sharing the same IP address doenst mena they are geographially close, it means they are from the same ROUTER, which means they are obviously the same person.
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Not necessarily...and people from different states can share the same IP address, depending on how the provider does things. If the IP match was that definitive, I would have phrased my previous response differently.
 
hhmoore said:
Not necessarily...and people from different states can share the same IP address, depending on how the provider does things. If the IP match was that definitive, I would have phrased my previous response differently.
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Well, if they are two different individuals in two different locations, then it would amount to an INSANE coincidence of unbelievable proportions. Despite the possibility they could be two different people, I believe they are one and the same, personally.
 
Snake-Queen said:
I did not read where he contacted his lawyer.

Whenever I see someone state "I contacted my lawyer." I smell scammer. Plus, you aren't even posting with your real name. If by some small chance your name is Dexter Morgan, scan your DL & black all but your name, the post it here. Otherwise, you are a scammer in my book & not worth any more of my time or anyone else's.
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You guys are a bunch of idiots. Your saying mini dragons is a scammer because he is warning you of a potential scam ? Sounds like some crappy scammer to me. What can he gain by telling you not to send your snake without receiving the money first ? Or by telling you to use PayPal ? Are you retarted ? Second it is in big red letters you need to have your name filled in in order to post here so as far as I am concerned zoocals comments shoul be removed. Third, Keep coming on here and crucifying the people who give enough of a shit to take five minute out of their day to report this stupid
Nonsense and see how far that gets you. Your all a bunch of morons. You think I have to prove anything to you ? I don't give a shit about any of you go send your snakes zoocal and whoever else you want and let them all pay you tomorrow real intelligent I'm sure that will all work out great for you. BTW, if you really think that trusting someone with your money is such a good idea your also a moron disputes with industry leaders happen all the time everybody I talk to has a story about someone I ont care if they are a whole saler retailer etc. No don't cover yourself just trust everyone thats how whole sailers do it. Real brain surgeons on here.
 
fbergman30 said:
You guys are a bunch of idiots. Your saying mini dragons is a scammer because he is warning you of a potential scam ? Sounds like some crappy scammer to me. What can he gain by telling you not to send your snake without receiving the money first ? Or by telling you to use PayPal ? Are you retarted ? Second it is in big red letters you need to have your name filled in in order to post here so as far as I am concerned zoocals comments shoul be removed. Third, Keep coming on here and crucifying the people who give enough of a shit to take five minute out of their day to report this stupid
Nonsense and see how far that gets you. Your all a bunch of morons. You think I have to prove anything to you ? I don't give a shit about any of you go send your snakes zoocal and whoever else you want and let them all pay you tomorrow real intelligent I'm sure that will all work out great for you. BTW, if you really think that trusting someone with your money is such a good idea your also a moron disputes with industry leaders happen all the time everybody I talk to has a story about someone I ont care if they are a whole saler retailer etc. No don't cover yourself just trust everyone thats how whole sailers do it. Real brain surgeons on here.
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Umm One more time.. But in English
 
fbergman30 said:
You guys are a bunch of idiots. Your saying mini dragons is a scammer because he is warning you of a potential scam ?
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He's warning us of a "potential" scam? According your accounts of the story, snakes were stolen, which amounts to a definite scam. Now it's just the potential to be scammed that we should be aware of? Interesting


fbergman30 said:
Sounds like some crappy scammer to me. What can he gain by telling you not to send your snake without receiving the money first ?
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Petty amusement? If your claims are as bogus as they appear to be, there's the potential that this is purely a vindictive act that's designed to damage someone else's reputation.
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Are you retarted ?
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Says the guy who can't spell "retard" properly...

fbergman30 said:
Second it is in big red letters you need to have your name filled in in order to post here so as far as I am concerned zoocals comments shoul be removed.
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Deflection. Classic move: try to shift focus off of yourself. Don't you have a story to prove?

fbergman30 said:
Third, Keep coming on here and crucifying the people who give enough of a s**t to take five minute out of their day to report this stupid
Nonsense and see how far that gets you.
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No one gets a free pass here. Apparenly, you didn't realize that you'd be under the same scrutiny as your target. Sorry, that's not how it works.

fbergman30 said:
Your all a bunch of morons. You think I have to prove anything to you ? I don't give a s**t about any of you
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Ahh..the old "throw a profanity-laced temper tantrum to get banned before having to answer tough questions" routine. To be called a "moron" by someone who can't differentiate between the proper uses of "your" and "you're"..well that's like a double-negative, so I'd have to take it as a compliment.
 
fbergman30 said:
You guys are a bunch of idiots. Your saying mini dragons is a scammer because he is warning you of a potential scam ? Sounds like some crappy scammer to me. What can he gain by telling you not to send your snake without receiving the money first ? Or by telling you to use PayPal ? Are you retarted ? Second it is in big red letters you need to have your name filled in in order to post here so as far as I am concerned zoocals comments shoul be removed. Third, Keep coming on here and crucifying the people who give enough of a shit to take five minute out of their day to report this stupid
Nonsense and see how far that gets you. Your all a bunch of morons. You think I have to prove anything to you ? I don't give a shit about any of you go send your snakes zoocal and whoever else you want and let them all pay you tomorrow real intelligent I'm sure that will all work out great for you. BTW, if you really think that trusting someone with your money is such a good idea your also a moron disputes with industry leaders happen all the time everybody I talk to has a story about someone I ont care if they are a whole saler retailer etc. No don't cover yourself just trust everyone thats how whole sailers do it. Real brain surgeons on here.
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I see infractions in your future . . .
 
fbergman30 said:
You guys are a bunch of idiots. Your saying mini dragons is a scammer because he is warning you of a potential scam ? Sounds like some crappy scammer to me. What can he gain by telling you not to send your snake without receiving the money first ? Or by telling you to use PayPal ? Are you retarted ? Second it is in big red letters you need to have your name filled in in order to post here so as far as I am concerned zoocals comments shoul be removed. Third, Keep coming on here and crucifying the people who give enough of a shit to take five minute out of their day to report this stupid
Nonsense and see how far that gets you. Your all a bunch of morons. You think I have to prove anything to you ? I don't give a shit about any of you go send your snakes zoocal and whoever else you want and let them all pay you tomorrow real intelligent I'm sure that will all work out great for you. BTW, if you really think that trusting someone with your money is such a good idea your also a moron disputes with industry leaders happen all the time everybody I talk to has a story about someone I ont care if they are a whole saler retailer etc. No don't cover yourself just trust everyone thats how whole sailers do it. Real brain surgeons on here.
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If a BENEFACTOR level member of this site with a good trader rating says they have had nothing but good transactions with Cal Zoo, then thats good enough for me really. Especially when that user has a good reputation as a Bearded Dragon Breeder. Then you ad on top of it that Cal Zoo is an established company with an excellent track record....I guess Im gonna lean in favor of them over someone making fake profiles and posting phony gripes that arent backed by any proof. Know what I mean?
 
And in my opinion trying to tarnish someones reputation by spreading lies about them is scamming. Obviously someone didnt get things to go the way they wanted and is trying to get back at cal zoo for it the only way they can, and since they dont have an honest gripe, have resorted to petty lies.
 
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