Pet store robbery and Daytona show

Dave...I've made my points... the public can now see you for who and what you really are...They all know I'm telling it like it is!...I have no reason to continue with this...you'll never change! I'm outta here...unless, of course, I'm "forced" to step back in...

Peg...I hope Lori was able to help...and I'll continue to try and find out who has your snake...

Julie....I know you're reading this....why don't you just step up to the plate and tell it like it is! What are you afraid of?

Good luck, folks ....he's all yours!....Neil

You go Gary. spam_LOL

I hope you guys can see how childish this is getting. spam_Do either of you really think the other will pork out $400 for a test to shut the other one up. Or even think that all these characters(Ray Marteliz, Jenny Marteliz, Josie Arnold, Peg Guillie, Lil Greene) will do it first Dave? spam_I seriously doubt that this will happen. spam_If it does one will and others wont even though they say they will. spam_Some cash type hardship will pop up out of the blue and cause them to have to back out. spam_Ya da ya da ya da and so on. spam_

All the stipulations you just stated are nothing more than an excuse for you to not to have to do it. spam_Face it, you dont trust Neil and Neil wont trust you. spam_So if he does go through with your ridiculous terms, you will surely find some reason to not believe he followed them to the letter and cry foul. spam_Yada Yada yada. Starting to sound like a broken record.

So lay off the lie decetor crap cuz it aint gonna happen no matter who say what and yada yada yada. spam_

Furhtermore, do you guys really think that these guys(Angie Coker,Det. Cole, Thomas Crowley, the investigator from Elliott's Claim service, this forum and myself) are that interested in solving this tift between you guys. I mean come on. spam_Get a life already.


So if you guys are really serious about taking one, then just go together and do it for crying out loud. spam_Act like adults and face the music with no stipulations of any kind or you have to do this and that spam_first and yada yada yada. spam_Just do it. spam_He!!, drive together and take it one after the other. spam_Neither will know the results until your both done. spam_Simple, no silly stipulations. spam_

How about one of you taking the initiative and calling and setting it up. spam_Then its on and no excuses. spam_Either you go or dont. spam_Put up or shut up. spam_Pick a day when the tester is free and go. spam_NO EXCUSES.

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Two more than I am done.
YES IT DOES SOUND VERY SILLY
AND
HERE ARE YOUR EXCUSES ALREADY.

Tell you what {insert name here because it dont matter}, you could really put the pressure on all these folks if you took it like the innocent man you say you are and take the test first. If you are not guilty of anything imagine the trump card you will hold. spam_Helloooooooo. spam_ Think about it for a second. spam_Same goes for the rest of the folks involved.

ah yes...as the herp squirms

Dave, YOU insist on getting in the middle of all of these problems whether or not you are involved, YOU are the one we are scrutinizing now...not the rest of your precious list.

The PI report is in Rich's hands...and you will not get it. If Rich posts it then fine....not a damn thing you can do if he doesn't. You did not pay for any of it and you are supposedly not directly involved.

And yet you seem to know so much about all of this. Strange, don't you think?

there is so much more I could say, but I will keep my thoughts in my head.

I leave you with this thought...may karma manifest your life's decisions.

Well... &nbsp;As amusing a read as this entire thing was... I think the end result is just the distrust of the rest of the country for the vendors in that area.

I'm certainly not saying that anyone or everyone is or is not guity of anything or nothing (How's that for covering my bases?). But try and read this thread from an objective point of view and ignoring the involuted relationships. &nbsp;As someone from another area of the country would tend to...

I intend no offence to anyone involved but quite frankly, I'm now wary about sending money to anyone in the entire state of Florida. And the damage wasn't done by the accusations others made, it was generally done by the manner in which you accused one another. I understand the issues are important to all of those involved but this kind of in-fighting and mudslinging and backbiting just makes the entire Florida industry look... Suspect to say the least.

If those who continue this sort of attack won't think of the reputations of others when they carry themselves in this manner, at least think of the fact that many of you make yourselves look bad.

Again, I intend no offense to anyone in particular, I just hope everyone who posts regularly may take note of their behavior and perhaps... &nbsp;Grow up?

Sheesh!!! And to think this all started back on page 4 when I posted my thoughts. Now look at it. This thread was dying out until I put up that post. Here we are, 12 pages later in only a couple of days. Same thing happened in the "infamous" 108 page thread. It had started to die out until I posted there with questions to Dave. It was either on page 12 or 13. I can't recall off hand. Go look and see for your self. I posted and then "BAM"!!! That thread went strong for almost another 100 pages after that. I sure hope this thread doesn't follow the same path.

[i]Sometimes I just need to keep my big mouth shut.[b]

I will take it first and it will stay sealed until the rest are finished.It is my understanding that honesty is the question here. The people on this list have said that I have stole animals and &nbsp;cased their homes. I know that they are lying once they fail the polygraph everyone will know they are liars.Each on the people I listed will be happy to give questions for a polygraph. Each has a legal interest in this subject.Until every lie is brought to light this story will never end.

Acopy of the P.I. report was forwarded to Det. Cole tpa. A copy can be obtained from them.

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is that like convoluted, but also a little like invalid?

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What?!?!? They way the handle elections wasn't enough sign that Floridians aren't terribly trustworthy?!?!

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I'm sorry, nothing personal, Seamus spam_- nothing personal Floridians!

I just feel like this whole thread is such a joke, that I'd add one of my own.

^Curtis Brown

The people on here pointed out coincidences that looked questionable, and asked you questions based on that. &nbsp;Which, by the way, have yet to really be answered to anyones satisfaction(unless I missed something). &nbsp;All this posting about sources and such without verification do no one any good. &nbsp;How do we know these sources are trustworthy if we don't know who they are. &nbsp;Answering a question along the lines of someone told me but they don't want me to reveal their names doesn't help unless their is a 3rd party to back it up.
Look at it this way, when you have people from the outside telling you how bad this makes any of you look, listen to them. &nbsp;Most of us have nothing to gain other than respect for our hobby and businesses.

This is from Ray and Jenny:
Law enforcement works very slowly around here. Unless you have chipped, scale counted, or digitally photographed your animals, it's nearly impossible for law enforcement to "discover" or recover a stolen animal.

As for this slum, yes, we live in a rough neighborhood, known for it's crack dealers and prostitutes. But ours is a clean block, with respectable neighbors. Now if he had driven by to see my new building that would be understandable. But he denies even driving by? Dave, your green Grand Cherokee has a magnetic sign on the side that is white background, red and blue lettering, "Amazon Reptiles" and measures about 16" by 20". If you didn't drive by, how would I have seen that? And my neighbor across the street saw you as I pointed you out to him. Last vehicle I knew you to drive was the grey Cherokee. (suv is sooooo general)

You claim to sell to all the pet stores in the area, if this is fact, why haven't you been to Herp's, Josie's, Peg's etc in months, and never heard of It's Alive? Why do you not want Tom Frost, owner of Amazon, &nbsp;to know all the animals he's buying are from Southeast?

The abp, you offered to __, owner Joe F., was 13 feet, female. And Joe knew there was a big burm stolen from Peg's. Coinsidence? You mentioned to Joe that it may be "hot", you offered it for $100.00 and trade. Joe knowing your track record wouldn't touch it. Being we are both wholesalers, it doesn't mean we don't communicate with each other about these types of things, as I have known Joe for about 30 years. He's not going to throw his business out the window for you. Now if you think I'm a liar, and anything I said isn't exactly what was told to me? Tell me when and where. But you are not man enough to face me with your accusations in person. Drive by again, but stop this time.

Julie, make it right. Call Rich, tell him you're ready. Neil, shut up and sit down. Dave, stop by. And we'll take your polygraph, any questions, any place and time, YOU PAY! Call me, I'd like to discuss this with you in a way that is not suitable for Fauna Classifieds.

We apologize to everyone else reading this post. We are sorry if we have offended anyone as we have always run an honest business. We don't like dealing with liars and thieves in any instance, and sometimes it makes us get out of control when someone lies about us. If I buy animals from people I don't know personally, I ask for identification. If there is later some kind of recourse needed to be taken, it helps point others in the right direstion. We wish others would do the same, to help keep the shady ones in the spotlight. It makes life difficult for people like Dave and they start to squirm from the attention. I know a lot of you from other state's are thinking bad of all Floridian Herpers now, but don't let a few bad apples spoil the whole barrel. Really, there are some great people here that really love the herp business, us included. A lot more people would post here if they were not afraid of being jumped by some of you. They are afraid of the name calling hurting their business. But they know things that are important to this post. They even have rewards for the thieves' capture. It's Alive has a reward of $1000.00, and Herp Hobbies had a reward of $2000.00 out for the people doing these break-ins. If anyone has any information, please contact law enforcement. Don't just sit back and not want to get involved, we all have to get involved. Thanks for your patience and we hope you all understand.