Californians... Your SCREWED!!!!

Originally Posted by SERPENTS DEN

The American people should have said enough is enough many of years ago and still they remain silent.

Pardon my curiosity, but what exactly is it that *you* do to "fight" this situation to have earned the right to look down your nose at all of us who don't think the government is as sinister and nefarious as you do?

I think they suck, but I don't think it is anything like your opinion. You seem to think that you've earned the right to look down at everyone who isn't ready for armed revolution... what have you done to gain that position?

If you haven't done such a thing (or things), then your statements strike me as nothing more than well-intentioned posturing which, funny enough, is what you're railing against. Like I said, merely curious.

Originally Posted by Mister Internet

Pardon my curiosity, but what exactly is it that *you* do to "fight" this situation to have earned the right to look down your nose at all of us who don't think the government is as sinister and nefarious as you do?

I think they suck, but I don't think it is anything like your opinion. You seem to think that you've earned the right to look down at everyone who isn't ready for armed revolution... what have you done to gain that position?

If you haven't done such a thing (or things), then your statements strike me as nothing more than well-intentioned posturing which, funny enough, is what you're railing against. Like I said, merely curious.

I'm not looking down at anyone, all I'm doing is posting information and I do have my opinion that our governments are nefarious. America is not being destroyed from any outside threat our enemies are destroying America from within. I also believe An armed revolution would be a big mistake.

I'm fu**ed! Oh well. I figured it would happen sooner or later. I hate being right!

I watched an interesting couple of movies last night. I highly recommend these-

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

If you do watch them, watch Enter Zeitgeist: The Movie first, then The Addendum.

It made me think about our country in an entirely different way.

Originally Posted by KelliH

I watched an interesting couple of movies last night. I highly recommend these-

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

If you do watch them, watch Enter Zeitgeist: The Movie first, then The Addendum.

It made me think about our country in an entirely different way.

Also watch "The Second Civil War". I think it was an HBO movie about 10-15 years ago and it is very well done. It will definitely make you think which side your on.

Originally Posted by KelliH

I watched an interesting couple of movies last night. I highly recommend these-

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

If you do watch them, watch Enter Zeitgeist: The Movie first, then The Addendum.

It made me think about our country in an entirely different way.

I do recommend watching Zeitgeist but I did learn who is behind the Zeitgeist movement in this video and I highly recommend watching the whole thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcWbKff494



Another good video to watch is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcWbKff494

They're hanging up on me. I'm downloading them to watch later.

Originally Posted by KelliH

I watched an interesting couple of movies last night. I highly recommend these-

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

If you do watch them, watch Enter Zeitgeist: The Movie first, then The Addendum.

It made me think about our country in an entirely different way.

Try not to get sucked in. Conspiracy nuts live in a completely different reality than you and I... trust me, I've "lost" friends to this mindset. They see a film (the films in question are VERY poorly done), think "huh, never heard that before", and then start YouTube hopping and following the trail into The Abyss of Conspiracy.

The funny thing is, they would all accuse me of using religion as a crutch... actually had one of them try to tell me that I only am a Christian because I need a mechanism to explain what's wrong with the world. I told him he was doing the exact same thing, and isn't that a bit duplicitous of him? He still couldn't see it.

Besides, Zeitgeist (the first one) has to be the worst-supported, most ramblinbly incoherent nonesense "refutation" of Christianity and Christian tradition I've ever heard in my life. They substantiate nothing, and all of their "soundbyte" bald assertions (about Christianity "borrowing" from Egyptian mythology, about religions being cobbled together from pieces of those more ancient to construct new systems of population control) ... they are completely unsubstantiated. Oh sure, they rapid-fire these assertions at you in a manner that makes it sound like they just have too many "fact" to get in front of you, and not enough time to do it in (seriously, you're in charge of the video... take all the time you need), when they are reall just making the assertion, making a loose association/correlation, and then moving on before stopping to show even one convincing piece of verifiable proof.

These movies have been around for ages... if it wasn't 9/11, it was the Illuminati... if it wasn't the Illuminati, it was the Vatican... if it wasn't the Vatican, it was the Priory of Sion. Those who argue against religion are correct in their assertion that the human mind strives to "makes sense" of the inequity and tragedy it see all around itself. But the way you make sense of the world is through evidence, reasoning, and the most fitting and explanatory reasons being the truth. Not through creating boogeymen.

Not saying don't educate yourself... conspiracy nuts pride themselves on being able to end conversations with "well, if you didn't watch it, I'm certainly not going to do your homework for you". Educate yourself on what people think, but just because it's a "film" and it say it proves something... doesn't mean it's a film that proves something. That all... just be careful.

Originally Posted by SERPENTS DEN

I'm not looking down at anyone, all I'm doing is posting information and I do have my opinion that our governments are nefarious. America is not being destroyed from any outside threat our enemies are destroying America from within. I also believe An armed revolution would be a big mistake.

Ok, that fine I guess... it's just that you keep saying all this stuff like "you don't have to pay income taxes" and "the government orchestrated and pulled off 9/11 in a worldwide media hoax". It seems that your actions do not match the reality you say you believe in? If I went around telling people I didn't have to pay income taxes, I WOULDN'T PAY INCOME TAXES. If I went around telling people that the U.S. Government planned, orchestrated, carried out, and covered up the largest homeland disaster in decades... think what you're saying. You're saying that even though you "know" you're living under this regime, you're content to stay here. Not only you, but any family or children you may have. You're saying that you're happy to leave their safety and future well-being in the hands of a government that committed this horrible crime.

See, if *I* thought the government did it, I would drive to Mexico and never come back. But you don't see conspiracy people leaving the country... why is that? Why would they say they believe wholeheartedly that they live under a government that they are saying might well decided to kill them at any minute and cover it up... and they're OK with that?? If I truly believed that, my family would be on a boat to Australia tomorrow and we'd never come back.

That's all I'm saying... I have a friend who believes many of the same things as you, but it just strikes me as... all talk?

Originally Posted by Mister Internet

Try not to get sucked in. Conspiracy nuts live in a completely different reality than you and I... trust me, I've "lost" friends to this mindset. They see a film (the films in question are VERY poorly done), think "huh, never heard that before", and then start YouTube hopping and following the trail into The Abyss of Conspiracy.

The funny thing is, they would all accuse me of using religion as a crutch... actually had one of them try to tell me that I only am a Christian because I need a mechanism to explain what's wrong with the world. I told him he was doing the exact same thing, and isn't that a bit duplicitous of him? He still couldn't see it.

Besides, Zeitgeist (the first one) has to be the worst-supported, most ramblinbly incoherent nonesense "refutation" of Christianity and Christian tradition I've ever heard in my life. They substantiate nothing, and all of their "soundbyte" bald assertions (about Christianity "borrowing" from Egyptian mythology, about religions being cobbled together from pieces of those more ancient to construct new systems of population control) ... they are completely unsubstantiated. Oh sure, they rapid-fire these assertions at you in a manner that makes it sound like they just have too many "fact" to get in front of you, and not enough time to do it in (seriously, you're in charge of the video... take all the time you need), when they are reall just making the assertion, making a loose association/correlation, and then moving on before stopping to show even one convincing piece of verifiable proof.

These movies have been around for ages... if it wasn't 9/11, it was the Illuminati... if it wasn't the Illuminati, it was the Vatican... if it wasn't the Vatican, it was the Priory of Sion. Those who argue against religion are correct in their assertion that the human mind strives to "makes sense" of the inequity and tragedy it see all around itself. But the way you make sense of the world is through evidence, reasoning, and the most fitting and explanatory reasons being the truth. Not through creating boogeymen.

Not saying don't educate yourself... conspiracy nuts pride themselves on being able to end conversations with "well, if you didn't watch it, I'm certainly not going to do your homework for you". Educate yourself on what people think, but just because it's a "film" and it say it proves something... doesn't mean it's a film that proves something. That all... just be careful.

The part that was the most intriguing to me in the first movie was the part on our economic system. The entire second movie was about our economy as well. The 9-11 and religious stuff didn't interest me as much.