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Old 10-22-2008, 09:23 PM   #1
devenomized
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Oh to let you know Al does publish that venomous nakes are dangerous and can and will kill.

But Al also is not taking a deadly animal and then telling somone this one is harmless now 100% by this one.

When you buy a venomous snake you know you are getting a deadly animal.

You on the other hand are selling animals that you are telling people are 100% HARMLESS.

I refuse more venomous sales a year then I sell. Ask anyone that buys off me how hard it is to get a hot from me.

in your terms you are saying this person is not doing it so why should I. Becuase IF you are wanting to get ALL the facts out then do it. if not then don't but fact is that if the Vet messes up then the snake can become hot again................ the people should know this.
I mentioned Al as well as the other dealers as examples and I'm not tryin to say they are doing something wrong. I'll say that before you start quoting me. You love doing that. I better never run for office because you'll have so much crap on me the way you sometimes take stuff out of context.

Gary, you are the exception and the example. You are the utopia of what the general public would want from all dealers to be. You've saved many lives with your approach. What else can I say?

YOu are 100% correct that if a "vet messes up then the sanek can become hot again". That's just like saying 1+1 = 2 man! Listen, when you call Dr. Sabatini or get a reply to his email, I'll be happy to discuss things with you. for now, you are letting me down because I can't believe you have time to type but you can't pick up the phone or send an email to wait for a response from the one and only person who can give you an answer, a partial answer, or tell you to piss off. YOu'll never know until you ask. Would you like to call me? very easy. call me now and we'll conference Dr. Sabatini. 1-888-DEVENOMIZED
 
Old 10-22-2008, 08:41 PM   #2
Gary O
OH and Christian I was going to stop by the table last time I was there. But you guys behind the table were to busy handling an adult gabby.................. Turned me off becuase you told me in the past you did not agree with treating voids different then hots.
 
Old 10-22-2008, 09:26 PM   #3
devenomized
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OH and Christian I was going to stop by the table last time I was there. But you guys behind the table were to busy handling an adult gabby.................. Turned me off becuase you told me in the past you did not agree with treating voids different then hots.
Gary

wasn't that a few years ago? is that really your excuse? seeing someone hold a gaboon viper turned you off so now you can address a concern you have in person? come on man! i hope you're kidding. are you really that delicate? i saw a picture of you and you looked like you are much bigger than that my friend
 
Old 10-22-2008, 09:57 PM   #4
Gary O
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Gary

wasn't that a few years ago? is that really your excuse? seeing someone hold a gaboon viper turned you off so now you can address a concern you have in person? come on man! i hope you're kidding. are you really that delicate? i saw a picture of you and you looked like you are much bigger than that my friend

Again I will type it slow. Free handling a gabby at the hamburg show happened at a show THIS YEAR! THIS THIS YEAR! I was at Al's table and another person and I looked at what you or another helper was doing and shook are heads. Again it was THIS YEAR! One more time THIS YEAR.

Oh I have talked to the DR..... He said that yes they could repair and produce venom again if the surgery was not done correctly. This convo happened about a year and a half ago.

I ask you why do you hold the only vet that does this surgery one a level of never making a mistake. I ask you this not him. You seem to think he will never make a mistake. I say he is human and should let people buying these animals know that it could happen.

You are the one that comes to the forums to talk about this vet. So maybe he shoudl come here and chat............. Why in private?
 
Old 10-23-2008, 12:04 AM   #5
devenomized
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Again I will type it slow. Free handling a gabby at the hamburg show happened at a show THIS YEAR! THIS THIS YEAR! I was at Al's table and another person and I looked at what you or another helper was doing and shook are heads. Again it was THIS YEAR! One more time THIS YEAR.

Oh I have talked to the DR..... He said that yes they could repair and produce venom again if the surgery was not done correctly. This convo happened about a year and a half ago.

I ask you why do you hold the only vet that does this surgery one a level of never making a mistake. I ask you this not him. You seem to think he will never make a mistake. I say he is human and should let people buying these animals know that it could happen.

You are the one that comes to the forums to talk about this vet. So maybe he shoudl come here and chat............. Why in private?
There is only one gabby that is an adult and it was sold a few weeks ago. That snake has not been at the hamburg show this year. However, our two gabinos have been at the show this year. They are subadults and look like gabbies, maybe that's what you are talking about. I remember holding our gabino earlier this year when the show closed and a vendor at the show wanted to take a photograph and I had the snake. Was the person wearing a hat? If so, that was me. Anyway, the bottom line is that if you saw me or someone behind the table I doubt the snake was within reach of potential buyers, children, or people looking at our table, but if you have a different opinion or a better perspective from where you were sitting, then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are 100%. A viper was held during a show and it was yet another mistake. Has that happened again? probably no. why? because I personally do not want 2" fangs stuck in my hand or the same for someone looking at the snake.

As far as why Dr. Sabatini coming here, I think that's very easy to answer. He works a F/T job at a hospital, has a personal responsibilities and needs to keep up by himself with several orders for venomoids and respond to people who are interested buyers. I have been posting for about a week here and if I were the business owner, would that give me a benefit? no. why? because A) i know i can't change your mind and i'm not trying to and i also know you are not going to buy a venomoid. B) most people who respond negatively here are not ever going to buy a venomoid rather they want attention. With that said, if I were the owner i wouldn't waste my time, but i could possibly answer the phone and have a short to the point conversation. Since you already did that, then you got your answer.

Why do I post here? Actually, I like debating the issue in a professional manner and I don't let it get to me if someone makes allegations, calls me names, or anything like that. Trust me I had a person back in 2005 send me a PM making personal threats, but that's just silly. I like debating the issue because it gives the topic more publicity and since I know i can present my opinions very clear, then i have nothing to fabricate to give any false claims. The only thing I cannot answer and all I have been doing is giving you examples on how i would do it if i were a business owner are the questions you guys have about Venomoid, Inc, release of liability or whatever you want to call the document provided to buyers, and veterinary malpractice. I believe those are issues that to know the answer you have to contact the vet. Since you already did, then why continue debating them? What's your next question Gary?

btw, you never called me man! I would like to talk. I'm devenomized, I won't kill you.

it's a little late now, but give me call at
1-888-DEVENOMIZED
 
Old 10-22-2008, 09:27 PM   #6
devenomized
have you seen my karma rating ? LOL that's just ridiculous. am i really that bad?
 
Old 10-22-2008, 09:50 PM   #7
Gary O
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have you seen my karma rating ? LOL that's just ridiculous. am i really that bad?
I do not use the system.
 
Old 10-22-2008, 10:58 PM   #8
hhmoore
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have you seen my karma rating ? LOL that's just ridiculous. am i really that bad?
What is ridiculous? That one person saw fit to give one of your posts a negative rating?
 
Old 10-22-2008, 11:51 PM   #9
devenomized
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What is ridiculous? That one person saw fit to give one of your posts a negative rating?
I'm just sad I don't get any love here
 
Old 10-23-2008, 12:00 AM   #10
hhmoore
lol
love might be a little strong...but I really don't mind you
(considering that we are on opposite sides of this fence, that's all I can give you)
 
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