Liesen Line Trick is not a Dom, it's a Codom... Super Trick

This is what I got as a reply after emailing Kevin Winter some questions:

"The parents are a normal and a black pastel. I think Gary Liesen still has them but I do not have any pics. It is possible that the first mutation started in these snakes.

It appears that the codom gene for trick makes yellow just like the codom gene for yellow belly makes ivory. As we know, many codoms make variations of white snakes which still blows my mind. I am sooo glad that a super trick is not a white snake.

I am betting that the yellow in the super trick is xanthism. My trick lesser has much more yellow than a lesser and I bet a super trick lesser wil be a very yellow animal."

Hey Big your right Barnharts line is very similar, and making sick combs. But still untapped as far as potential. Vitto... axanthic means absence of yellow pigment. That pastel is not a super trick. IMO

super trick = every pastel in my collection

Originally Posted by john33

Hey Big your right Barnharts line is very similar, and making sick combs. But still untapped as far as potential. Vitto... axanthic means absence of yellow pigment. That pastel is not a super trick. IMO

The word is xanthism, not axanthic.

sounds and looks to me like the trick is heterozygous for a form of recessive pastel (xanthism) if that truly is the "super" trick.

I have a close friend that has a female LLT. when he got it several months ago he was told by Gary that the super form looked like a Pastel.

Well conscense is super trick=pastel form. Guess i'm alittle disappointed at this stage. Hopefully additional genes will prove more visual results.

It may look like a pastel. But I was told that it's getting brighter and richer as it gets older. So it doesn't behave like a pastel, which tend to brown out.


Also here's the history of how Gary got the Trick and what his plans were. He posted this in 2010:

http://forums.kingsnake.com/viewarch...61614&key=2010

Well I guess I'll have to second guess about myself getting into the LLT craze now. Major disappointment.

That is one of the threads I was q uoting, I am not sure that a pastel like super is good for the future market of this morph. I guess time will tell if there are any must have combos from this.
I am not surprised that harald isn't impressed, way too many spots for him.
I think the Barnhart line is onto something with his YB Black pastel crosses, whereas the leisen line has focused on isolation of the trick from the black pastel. While I prefer the direction barnhart has taken, I can appreciate the contribution of both projects. I plan to pickup a BP YB from Tom in the next year or so.