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Old 10-17-2006, 10:34 PM   #1
questions about permits for Eastern Indigos

I'm thinking about getting an Eastern Indigo, and have been trying to figure out what federal permit I'll need. As far as I can tell, the permit required is the "captive born wildlife" (cbw) permit, but what is confusing me is the permit fee. The permit fee is $200, but all the posts I've read have said the fee is $100, so I'm wondering if I'm looking at the right one. Also, is it one permit per animal or transaction? Thanks!
Old 10-18-2006, 02:47 AM   #2
Your best bet is to call Victoria Davis. Her number is on
She's the Czar of ICC permits, and will answer any questions.


Old 10-18-2006, 11:24 AM   #3
Federally, all you need is an Interstate Commerce permit if you are getting one shipped across state lines. If you get one from within your state, the permit is not required.
Old 10-18-2006, 01:11 PM   #4
Wink First of all,....

What state are you in? Some states won't allow it, and some require a state permit.

Second,...The only Federal permit you would need is an {{{Interstate Commerce Permit}}}. And you only need that if you are acquiring an eastern indigo. And only if you buy it from somebody outside of your State. If these conditions apply to you, then go to , and click on "Permits". There you will find everything you need. Forget everything else.
Old 10-18-2006, 03:28 PM   #5
Thanks for the info!

I'm in Arizona, and I've already checked with Game&Fish, they don't regulate or require permits for Easterns. As far as I can tell, AZ doesn't regulate any non-native species.

I don't know who I'll be buying from, but I haven't heard of anyone here in AZ breeding Easterns, so I'm just trying to get educated before I start approaching out of state breeders.

Unless anyone knows of a breeder in AZ? PM me if you do.
Old 10-18-2006, 04:39 PM   #6
There is someone in New Mexico I think, can't recall his name. And there's a gal in Az with a new group of Texans. Other than that,...I do not know.
Old 10-18-2006, 05:29 PM   #7
I know who you're talking about with the new group of Texans, I've read some of her comments on here. And unless something has drastically changed, I'd rather not do business with her.

How's your waiting list look for next year?
Old 10-18-2006, 06:39 PM   #8
I won't have any next year. I'm giving her the year off. She did well, 2 years in a row, so now it's time for a break. And you would not like the price anyway. I'm going to charge double for out of state sales because of the associated hassles. Sorry bro. Complain to the Feds. They need to know what their regulations and fees have caused.
Old 10-18-2006, 09:52 PM   #9
Well, the feds wouldn't have to be involved if you just gave me a couple. From what I've read, you don't need a permit for "gifts"
Old 10-19-2006, 12:37 AM   #10
Well, the post entitled " Kill All The Lawyers Ecxept Ours". And click on the link that Jeff posted there. It takes you to a Fed Fax sheet. Then scroll down to the paragraph on loans and gifts. When I read that, it says to me that loans and gifts don't require a permit. But when I enquired directly to the Feds about a loan, they told me I'd have to get not one, but multiple permits. So I wonder if "gifts" are really exempt or not. According to them, if there is any "future" commerce associated with the loan it requires a permit. And "Gifts" fall under the same paragraph so,...It looks to me like they just change the rules as they go along.

Keep looking, you'll find what you want. It takes some time and effort, but we that have indigos had to jump through those same hoops ourselves. Good luck,

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