Disappointed.....Venomoid advertising

awwwwww, your loss.

Anyway, I think that reina is a possible key to the future of voids and how they are seen.

He's been enamoured of them and kind of hornswaggled by bruce over at cre. Now some of the polish is off that first lustre that something new and bright can throw out at us. Now he is getting more facts and finding out that some of the people who were first giving him facts were actually lying to him all along. Now he knows that there are REALLY bad guys out there taking advantage of weaker and less intelligent people. (Funny how it's almost always men, isn't it?)

I think that depending somewhat on how we treat him now and somewhat on what kind a person he actually is will have a lot to do with how voids are seen in the not too distant future. He does a lot of work to promote his site. Any publicity is good publicity and LOTS of folks know his site and his name.

This might not be a bad guy to have around. He may not agree with you 100% but he is not at all for the butchery of snakes. I don't think any of us have a problem with the surgery if it's done for a good reason by a vet.

I'd take him over cre and those cretins anyday in a debate or fact finding mission.
I think he needs time to prove himself out and I don't think he should be squashed before he has that time.

It's all good here and sorry for not getting the name right/connected with both sites. I may have it now, but no promises.

Originally Posted by devenomized

How come if I agree and understand your opinion as well as respect anything you could possibly post here, I do not get the same tone of voice? I am not demanding you to respecfully address anything I have to post as a reply. It is your choice to communicate in any shape or form. You are free to yell, screen, laugh, and I am nobody to tell you which way to speak to me, but I was just wondering why the different tone of voice with me? I will still understand you regardless how you choose to speak to me while I may not agree with most of what you have to say.

I just wanted to know about that. That's all.

Dude, you're kidding, right?

You are, however inadverdantly, representing voids as pets. You USED to be associated with some of the biggest scumbags in this industry.

You, just by your opinion, are not well liked by many people that feel it is tragically wrong to surgically alter a hot snake.

THAT is why. I think. IF you want that to change then you need to give it time and continue as you have been this last little bit. It's not going to be quick for many and may never be at all for some.

Your pet subject is a VERY unpopular one.

I guess we are just different Christian. I have read plenty of your posts and not all of them are nice and polite and alot of them are sarcastic and degrading. So with that being said.......

This is America and I can argue and make my point however I choose. Personally I could give 2 sh$ts if you don't like my delivery or tone.

Just ignore me. I am actually done arguing my point with you anyway. I don't think you will see things the way I do anytime soon and it is kind of a waste of my time. Hopefully someone else will get through.

Hope you find all the answers you are looking for.

One last thing.....

On Chrisitian's website gallery there are photos with CRE and people free-handling venomoids. My opinion not very responsible.

Originally Posted by Bthacker

One last thing.....

On Chrisitian's website gallery there are photos with CRE and people free-handling venomoids. My opinion not very responsible.

Thank you for your opinion and hopefully you will come back to debate some more in the near future. You always do.

Having just slogged through the last four pages that have developed since I last visited this thread (yawn)...hasn't the point been made?
So, this guy likes mutilating snakes...guess it's ok, as they have no rights as pet animals. Fine.
Did find the comment about allowing rattlesnake roundups to advertise interesting though...well thought out.

greg

Hello everyone

I just wanted to say I do not mind Christian coming over to TRR to talk about Voids. As everyone knows TRR was the first site to take a hard stand and say no Void advertising or classifieds. It is hard for all sites to follow as there is money involved and they do not want to put their views on it. But every web master puts their views into their site no matter how hard they say they do not. If they did not it would be a free for all. Get my point.

But I believe education and knowledge is a key here to open a door to prevent the danger of voids. People know I will speek my mind anywhere and I will not break the TOS of the site. But If Christion is for real their is knowledge to be had. There are articles that wil be coming out soon from some very well known Hot Keepers.

Am I uset at Rich for allowing that ad here? Nope I rarely visit anymore. If I was a paying member I may be upset. I see it has a very poor taste ad. That is only my opinion though.

But remember the path to knowledge is a rough road but once you are there it smooths out.

Originally Posted by Gary O

Hello everyone

I just wanted to say I do not mind Christian coming over to TRR to talk about Voids. As everyone knows TRR was the first site to take a hard stand and say no Void advertising or classifieds. It is hard for all sites to follow as there is money involved and they do not want to put their views on it. But every web master puts their views into their site no matter how hard they say they do not. If they did not it would be a free for all. Get my point.

But I believe education and knowledge is a key here to open a door to prevent the danger of voids. People know I will speek my mind anywhere and I will not break the TOS of the site. But If Christion is for real their is knowledge to be had. There are articles that wil be coming out soon from some very well known Hot Keepers.

Am I uset at Rich for allowing that ad here? Nope I rarely visit anymore. If I was a paying member I may be upset. I see it has a very poor taste ad. That is only my opinion though.

But remember the path to knowledge is a rough road but once you are there it smooths out.

I think if you've reached a smooth point, you are kidding yourself, knowledge never stops. I believe as you do, that education and knowledge are key elements, but my perspective has education as a lifelong process.

I myself am against voids, but I feel it is outstanding for a site owner to allow members to make up their own minds. One can comment every time one sees the banner about feelings about voids, yet allow the freedom to post the ad. There are ads for all sorts of things on this site that I would never buy: voids, electric guitars (in the misc. classifieds), lobster roaches, spiders, etc. In fact, I would never purchase a venomous snake but I don't fuss if they are advertised.

Education is the key.

99% of the animals that are voids are illegally done. That says it all.

And going buy what you just said then the people are right. Where does Rich draw the line. What will we see next Porn sites? How about work at home rip offs? I mean we can chose not to click it right?

That is the point I think people are trying to say. At some point you have to take a stand.

The road does get smooth.

Originally Posted by Gary O

99% of the animals that are voids are illegally done. That says it all.

And going buy what you just said then the people are right. Where does Rich draw the line. What will we see next Porn sites? How about work at home rip offs? I mean we can chose not to click it right?

That is the point I think people are trying to say. At some point you have to take a stand.

The road does get smooth.

It is a simplistic argument to say that freedom depends on no line being drawn at all. We both know that is not true.

No one is arguing with your right as owner of your own site to exclude anything you do not like. If you wish to exercise that power in reference to reptile related items, no one denies that you have that power. And, you even have the right and freedom to leave your site, come here and visit, and talk about your own personal advertising policies.

I am not sure why you keep on making reference to smooth roads:
" But remember the path to knowledge is a rough road but once you are there it smooths out"
but if it means you have reached the point where you feel you need no further education, then you must be quite learned, indeed......