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Old 09-18-2002, 02:47 PM   #1
KNOBTAIL
Lee, just exactly were these officials looking for ? &nbsp;It seems unbelievable that they would enter a legal premise and then try to figure out what they felt should or should not be confiscated. What happens to the animals, and who burdens the responsibility of loss? This is frightning to say the least. I would attempt to peruse legal remedies by suing them personally. I dont know how far you would get, but if these individuals are making up these legal decisions as they go along, then I think they are going above and beyond what should be considered normal. VERY DEPRESSING. JERRY TRESSER <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>
 
Old 09-18-2002, 04:44 PM   #2
Rob @ RK Reptiles
I must say this situation is very disturbing. The officials acted in a very unprofesional manner from what I gather. The officials should have showed up early before the show started and inspected the animals. But not interfere with law abiding vendors and disrupt their business. &nbsp;If I were one of the people in that show that had all my "ducks in a row" and had all paperwork correct and they still did that, you better believe that the state or whomever it was would be receiveing notice my my attorney and I would gurantee I would pursue it to the fullest extent of the law. Here in Florida Wildlife officers come to the facility of dealers, importers and pet stores to inspect their animals. They do show up at local shows and inspect animals but they do it in a profesional manner. If there is a question on an animal and it's legality, they approach the owner in private, ask to remove the animal from the table and discuss the legality and ask for proof if needed on that animal. &nbsp;They do not just walk in and shut the entire place down and start rampageing the entire show. &nbsp;As the Promoter I would have my attorney look into the legality of what they did and how they did it. &nbsp;it seems very illegal and if not illegal than very unprofesional.
 
Old 09-18-2002, 04:45 PM   #3
Rob @ RK Reptiles
Also I am all for if someone does not have the proper paperwork. i.e. license etc. then that person, company, entity should be fined and reprimanded, but the other law abiding people should not be punished at all.
 
Old 09-18-2002, 05:19 PM   #4
Gilbert Thompson
Mr. Watson,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Sorry about getting the two situations mixed up. &nbsp;I hope I did not cause to much confusion. &nbsp;Whatever, the circumstances I know you would not be involved in anything illegal. &nbsp;You know that you have all of my support.
Thanks,
Gilbert Thompson
P.S. &nbsp;Lee I would not mind making a phone call or two. &nbsp;I can't promise anything but I will sure try.
 
Old 09-18-2002, 08:04 PM   #5
Rob @ RK Reptiles
here is a post I came across on the Kingsnake.com Her Law Forum regarding this situation.
http://forum.kingsnake.com/law/messages/7585.html
 
Old 09-18-2002, 09:13 PM   #6
Arboreals of the Rainforest
Oh my god. spam_It's the attack of the killer Beardies. spam_Lock up the women and children folk and git ur guns boys. spam_We be goin DRAGON huntin. spam_

Now on to a more serious note.

I have absolutely no respect for law enforcement officer types. spam_Quite frankly the whole system is set up to steal your money. spam_Get a ticket pay a fine, get arrested pay a fine. spam_Its all money driven and its your money they want. spam_As far as I am concerned its the largest legal form of an organized crime syndicate. spam_Just short of the governmental systems that is. spam_

I was selected for federal jury duty and got called in for jury selection. spam_Before they do that they send you a card to fill out asking very specific questions about race and religion. spam_Both as far as I felt were none of their damm biz and has no bearing on justice. spam_So I put that as my answer. spam_Then they ask if there is any reason you feel you cant serve as a juror. spam_So I put that I feel the legal system is out for nothing but money and justice is just accidental at best. spam_

So after they call my number to come and appear for a duty. spam_They pull out that card and review it with you in front of the judge. spam_God I wish I had it on tape. spam_We went over why I put my answers down about race and religion. spam_As far as I am concerned it has no direct bearing on whether or not they committed the crime and how see the evidence presented to me. spam_And it doesn't. spam_ So why ask it. spam_Looked to me they where trying to fix the jury to get the vote they wanted. spam_Hummmmmmmm.

When they saw my answer to the last question the judge got red right know. spam_In fact when I went on to explain that money is the driving cause of "justice" and how every lawyer has their hand out for it, they flipped. spam_Then I went into the citations for funds called ticketing. (speeding, that kind of stuff) spam_How the only thing they are interested in was stealing money, I mean collecting that fine for justice. spam_It would nock you flat when you see how much they steal annually from us. spam_Where does it go? spam_Hummm. spam_After all tax payers pay your salaries. spam_I do know first hand that Highway Patrol officers get commission of sorts based on the quantity of certain types of citations they write and win. spam_(i.e. DUI's) spam_

Well after it was all said and done, the defense wanted me for my assured not guilty vote, the prosecution was peed off and excused me, and the judge was dumb founded. spam_He event went as far as to thank me for the unusual overwhelming amount of honesty whether they liked it or not.

As for the local street cops, biggest bunch of thieves and hypocrites you ever wanted to meet. spam_Several of which I went to school with so I know first hand. Almost all of them locally I have partied with and call acquaintances. spam_ Then the after hour parties I was invited to, spam_(beer and "SMOKES" confiscated from victims{suspects} in the interest of justice) spam_It's not bad enough that we pay their salaries with our tax money, but we have to put up with their lying and stealing too. spam_ Ever heard of the Blue Wall or Blue Code??? spam_It really exist, even when they are caught on tape beating a hand cuffed kid. spam_

You can bet that the only thing that will come of this "RAID" will be some fines to steal more of your money. spam_Sad but true.

This certainly doesnt reflect all of the law enforcement officers, but it represents well the ones I know of anyway.
 
Old 09-18-2002, 09:49 PM   #7
Ken Harbart
Well Tim,
I'm glad to see that you don't respect me, Jim Hopkins, Gilbert Thompson, Alex Rahmings, and a host of other herpers. Thanks for the heads up and the bigoted reply. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>
 
Old 09-18-2002, 09:52 PM   #8
Wilson
Tim, dont hold back <img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

There are some flaws in our legal system, but as far as i know it is the best in the world. spam_Without it, i dont know how society would function.

Is the state providing propper conditions for these animals? spam_Will they be returned to the owners if it is found out that no laws were broken? spam_I have no problem with the animals being taken if laws were broken, but it sounds like the officers were not aware of the law. spam_Seems to be a pretty common problem.

I hope everything works out for the best, and please keep us posted.

Thanks
Justin Wilson
 
Old 09-18-2002, 10:49 PM   #9
Uffern
This whole thing has me seething. spam_I can't even find words to express what I'm thinking. spam_We all know that these confiscated animals will be stuffed into drawers or into plastic bags on evidence shelves. spam_I WISH I had been there and they took my dragons, or gave me a citation. spam_I would ram a lawsuit so far up their a$$e$ it would knock their eyes out. spam_Citation for bearded dragons?!?! spam_*splutter splutter* spam_Every day I am more in complete awe of how stupid and ignorant people are. spam_*crossing Illinois off list of acceptable states to live in* &nbsp;Grrrr.
 
Old 09-18-2002, 10:59 PM   #10
Arboreals of the Rainforest
Ken
As I stated and I quote</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">This certainly doesnt reflect all of the law enforcement officers, but it represents well the ones I know of anyway.
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The list of names you mentioned, including yourself, I dont know are not the ones I am referring to. spam_And its not bigoted because it accuratley represents the ones I do know of. spam_Facts are facts wether you agree with them or not. &nbsp;

Seems I struck a nerve with you. spam_If I may ask, have you ever "not remembered" under oath? spam_Or conveniently left out any detail in a report to make your case look better? spam_

Just curious.
 
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