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Old 06-10-2010, 03:58 AM   #11
SERPENTS DEN
http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/201...llion-gallons/

"BP’s latest oil spill response update for June 4th says the total amount of the dispersant used in the Gulf of Mexico more than 1,021,000 gallons.

But what most people don’t know is that the active ingredient of the toxic chemical dispersant, which is up to 60% by volume, being sprayed by BP to fight the Gulf oil spill is a is a neurotoxin pesticide that is acutely toxic to both human and aquatic life, causes cancer, causes damage to internal organs such as the liver and kidneys simply by absorbing it through the skin and may cause reproductive side effects.

In fact the neurotoxin pesticide that is lethal to 50% of life in concentrations as little as 2.6 parts per million has been banned for use in the UK since 1998 because it failed the UK “Rocky shore test” which assures that the dispersant does not cause a “significant deleterious ecological change”.

Corexit has also earned the highest EPA warning label for toxicity which means the effects of the toxic chemicals to the eye are corrosive resulting in irreversible destruction of ocular tissue and other tissue with corneal involvement along with an burning that can persist for more than 21 days and effects to human skin are corrosive resulting in tissue destruction into the dermis and/or scarring.

Corexit was widely used after the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill and according to a literature review performed by the group the Alaska Community Action on Toxics was later linked with widespread long lasting health impacts in people including respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders.

The “Human Health Hazards” are said to be “Chronic” for Corexit EC9527A according to the EPA.

So What Are These Dispersants Made Of That Makes Them Such a Powerful Neurotoxin Pesticide?

The main ingredients of Corexit is 2-Butoxyethanol which can make up to 60% of the dispersant and is known to be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, and the central nervous system (CNS).

2-Butoxyethanol is also known to cause cancer, birth defects and has been found to cause genetic mutations and is a delayed chronic health hazard as well as an environmental hazardous material

Corexit also contains Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Cyanide.

How effective is Corexit in dispersing Gulf crude?

Corexit 9500 is only 54.7% effective and Corexit 9527A is 63.4% effective in dispersing the crude oil found off the shores of South Louisiana.

Why allow the use of these toxic dispersants?

Well the EPA has ordered BP to stop using the dispersants but BP has refused.

The EPA justifies the use of dispersants because they are less toxic than oil and the cause less of an environment impact that oil along the coastline.

However the choice of using Corexit contradicts both of those justifications.

Corexit is lethal in as little as 2.6 parts per million where oil is lethal in 11 parts per million meaning that Corexit is over 4 times more toxic than oil.

Furthermore scientific studies show that oil dispersed with Corexit is 11 times more lethal than oil alone.

In fact the study referenced showed that crude oil was lethal at 4250 parts per million to killifish but combination of oil mixed with Corexit was lethal in as little as 317.7 ppm.

“Dispersed oils were more toxic than crude oils,” noted the report.

The other justification of lessening the environmental impact along the shoreline doesn’t hold up either as the reason Corexit was banned in the UK is because it was in fact shown to have a “significant deleterious ecological change” on the shoreline.

The fact Corexit is 4 times as toxic as oil and up to 11 times as toxic when combined with oil it literally makes no sense to allow the use of such a toxic chemical that can “delete” the ecological systems along the Gulf coast.

A report in the journal Environmental Toxicology a decade ago concluded that lethality levels in “dispersed oil combinations were significantly more toxic to these organisms than .. crude oil.” Another study, this time of snails and amphipods reached exactly the same conclusion.

What are the long term effects of Corexit?

The EPA has stated over and over that the long term effects of the use of Corexit are unknown yet there is plenty of data documenting the long term effects on humans (see below).

Further making the EPA claims questionable is EPA’s Deepwater horizon response sites site clearly states that between 1 million and 2.5 million gallons of the neurotoxin pesticide Corexit was used in the 1979 ixtoc oil spill which makes it unfathomable that the EPA doesn’t know what the long term effects are of a chemical that has been widely used, and eventually banned in certain countries, over a period of 30 years.

To the contrary of the EPA’s statement scientific studies widely state Corexit 9527 has been tested extensively in the laboratory and used on oil spills since 1978 and a considerable number of toxicity reports exist concerning a wide variety of species.

So why does the Federal Government continue to tell us the the long term effects of the dispersant usage are unknown?

Why does the Federal Government continue to pretend like they know so little about the dispersant BP is being used?

What are the chemical components of the dispersants COREXIT 9500 and COREXIT 9527?

While the main ingredient which makes up to 60% of Corexit is reason enough to cause concern.

If you dig any more dirt on these let me know.

The components of COREXIT 9500 and 9527 are:CAS Registry Number Chemical Name
57-55-6 1,2-Propanediol
111-76-2 2-butoxy-Ethanol
577-11-7 Butanedioic acid, 2-sulfo-, 1,4-bis(2-ethylhexyl) ester, sodium salt (1:1)
1338-43-8 Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate
9005-65-6 Sorbitan, mono-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs.
9005-70-3 Sorbitan, tri-(9Z)-9-octadecenoate, poly(oxy-1,2-ethanediyl) derivs
29911-28-2 2-Propanol, 1-(2-butoxy-1-methylethoxy)-
64742-47-8 Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light
The have also been found to contain Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Mercury, and Cyanide among other heavy metals


What are the Chronic Health effects of Corexit?

Here are some of the highlights from the MSDS for the active ingredient (2-butoxyethanol) – of Corexit (up to 60% by volume)
Severe over-exposure can result in death.
MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast.
The substance may be toxic to blood, kidneys, liver, central nervous system (CNS).
Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage.
Repeated exposure to highly (this) toxic material may produce general deterioration of health by an accumulation in one or many human organs.
Hazardous in case of skin contact (permeator), of ingestion, of inhalation.
May cause adverse reproductive effects (maternal and paternal fertility, fetoxicity)
May cause birth defects (teratogenic)
May cause cancer (tumorigenic)
Penetrates intact skin easily and can cause systemic effects and central nervous system depression
Inhalation: May cause irritation of the respiratory tract. May affect behavior (analgesia), behavior/central nervous system (headache, drowsiness, dizzness, stuttering, coma, weakness, ataxia, slurred speech, loss of coordination and judgement, personality changes, analgesia, blurred vision, tremor, excitement, somnolence), sense organs, the gastrointestinal tract (nausea, vomiting), metabolism (metabolic acidosis), respiration (dyspnea), urinary system (kidneys – hematuria, albuminuria, polyuria, oliguria, renal failure), liver (liver damage).
Exposure to high vapor concentration may also cause corneal or lens opacity of the eyes.
Ingestion: Causes gastrointestinal tract irritation with nausea, vomiting, diarrhea. May affect behavior/central
nervous system (see inhalation), respiration (dyspnea), metabolism, cardiovascular system.
Chronic Potential Health Effects: Inhalation and Ingestion: Prolonged or repeated inhalation or ingestion may affect the liver, blood (changes in red blood cell count, pigmented or nucleated red blood cells, microcytosis with or without anemia, erythropenia, reticulocytosis, granulocytosis, leukocytosis), urinary system (kidneys -hematuria), metabolism (weight loss), endocrine system (spleen, thymus, pancreas). Prolonged or repeated inhalation of high concentrations may also cause lung hemmorrhage, congestion, bronchopneumonia.
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-1A: Material causing immediate and serious toxic effects (VERY TOXIC).
Classified in Canada as CLASS D-2B: Material causing other toxic effects (TOXIC)

What does the EPA say about the human health effects expected as a result of using the dispersants?

The EPA warning about human health affects says

People working with dispersants are strongly advised to use a half face filter mask or an air-supplied breathing apparatus to protect their noses, throats, and lungs, and they should wear nitrile or PVC gloves, coveralls, boots, and chemical splash goggles to keep dispersants off skin and out of their eyes. CDC provides more information on reducing occupational exposures while working with dispersants during the Gulf Oil Spill Response."
 
Old 06-11-2010, 01:20 AM   #12
WebSlave
Hmm, this is rather interesting....









You know, you can find TONS of videos on YouTube on just about anything you want to.... EXCEPT, apparently, videos of the oil spill effects taking place in Louisiana. Using search keys such as "oil spill", "oil spill Louisiana", etc, don't pull up ANY videos newer than a week ago, and most are a month or older. Maybe I'm just not using the best search functions, but this certainly seems odd to me...
 
Old 06-11-2010, 01:59 AM   #13
SERPENTS DEN
Maybe this is why you can't find much on the oil Spill.

BP buys Google, Yahoo search words:Is it to keep people from real news on Gulf oil spill disaster?
http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Poli...il-spill-disas

I listened to the James Fox interview yesterday and it's obvious there is a big cover-up on the seriousness of what happened and what's to come of it.



Have you read this? http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=182391

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Old 06-11-2010, 10:15 AM   #14
Heart4Dragonz
I live on the southern East coast, and I'm Horrified that it's going to makes its way over here. I've been looking at the photos from the areas it's already hit and it's really upsetting. Tourism is already taking a hit this summer, Florida is sueing for 100 Million, the last I heard to try and promote tourism and cover up the bad press about the oil affecting us...Oil's gonna be more devistating to the everglades than snakes could've Ever been. -.-
You get more attention and help from the gov. when there's a natural disaster than we've had with this oil spill. It's ridiculous how little they seem to be doing.
 
Old 06-11-2010, 11:15 AM   #15
WebSlave
Personally, I think it is absolutely ridiculous that anyone is spending ANY money at all for propaganda in order to mollify people's fears of what is actually taking place in the Gulf of Mexico. Spend that $100 million, or whatever, or trying to CONTAIN and FIX the problem rather than try to snow the public into ignoring it so the local governments can get those tourism dollars. With this sort of attitude, I believe that a LOT of people will have to become sick and suffering from swimming in contaminated waters before local government will admit it and have tourism suffer accordingly. Heck, look at some of the pics you see where people are covered head to toe in hazmat clothing doing cleanup right next to people on the beach wearing bathing suits. What's wrong with that picture?
 
Old 06-11-2010, 11:31 AM   #16
Heart4Dragonz
Agreed Rich. I couldn't care less if people get sick from going into the water, they've gotta be blind, deaf and have some screws loose to think that's okay(use common sense, it's an oil spill, stay the hell out of the affected waters). I feel worse for the animals getting caught up in it and the potential it has to push already threatened species closer to extinction. This hurricane season is suppose to be a beastly one, and if any of them make it into the golf with all that oil, we're screwed beyond belief. I feel really bad for Louisiana, as if they haven't been through enough the past few years...
 
Old 06-11-2010, 12:00 PM   #17
WebSlave
Yeah, Connie had been planning on splurging by getting a beach house down in Sanibel Island in the fall for a month, but just the other day I cancelled that rental, thinking that the beaches and water won't be fit to be near. No way we are going to spend that kind of money to have a miserable time next to an oil and tar soaked beach. The rental company told us that if we stuck with our reservation (we had up to 90 days prior to checkin to cancel and get our deposit back) we would get a refund IF the city of Sanibel closed the beaches during our stay there. I decided to NOT trust local officials to look out for our best interests and safety.

Of course, not the rental company is saying that the refund of our deposit will be minus a "cancellation fee" as well as $450 that was supposedly for "travelers insurance". Looks like I have to fight with yet someone else to keep from getting screwed....
 
Old 06-11-2010, 12:28 PM   #18
Heart4Dragonz
That sucks Rich. Sounds like they're trying to Hug onto as much money as possible knowing how bad this summer's going to be for rentals, hope you can get more of it back. I wouldn't trust the companies and local officials either, especially with how disparate they already seem to still try and make some money...Scary. Find somewhere oil free to vacation
I'm hoping I'll still beat the oil to the Keys the end of this summer, I've never been, and would like to go before everything is ruined. :-\
 
Old 06-11-2010, 02:59 PM   #19
WebSlave
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Originally Posted by Heart4Dragonz View Post
That sucks Rich. Sounds like they're trying to Hug onto as much money as possible knowing how bad this summer's going to be for rentals, hope you can get more of it back. I wouldn't trust the companies and local officials either, especially with how disparate they already seem to still try and make some money...Scary. Find somewhere oil free to vacation
I'm hoping I'll still beat the oil to the Keys the end of this summer, I've never been, and would like to go before everything is ruined. :-\
I think you had better hurry if you want to go to the keys. Actually a good idea... maybe Connie and I need to drive down there REAL soon. It might be decades before we will see unspoiled areas along the coastline again.
 
Old 06-11-2010, 03:18 PM   #20
Heart4Dragonz
I'll have to see if I can't push my vacation a little closer and get down there...I've never seen the beaches on the west coast either ... 1 good thing about being in West Palm, it's only a few hours drive to either place...just finding the free hours is the problem. I'd like to see a little bit of everything here before devastation hits, won't ever be the same again.
I'll be volunteering at the beaches here if the oil does make it this far...still hoping it won't but realistically....not lookin good.
 

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