To :Neil,Kim,Tom,Sal, etc..regarding JasonSvelgard

To Kim,Neil,Tom and all others,

Because  of a recent emergency regarding the health of a family member close to me,I was forced to put up snakes for sale when I was ill prepared to do so and ALSO deal with the drama that comes with someone being terminally ill in my family.  In my rush to sell some of my snakes,I inadvertently posted the wrong date as the length of time they were in my collection. They were in fact purchased around Oct30,2001 and have been in my collection for about 4 1/2 months as of this writing. Jason IS correct in that. I have pulled and changed the ad to relect the 4.5 months.

AS FOR THE LETTER that Jason SAVED and printed here, it WAS from me. I had contacted Jason in October of 2001 concerning the purchase of 1.1 Mad Ground boas from a then unknown to me source for snakes . Jason knew the guy and  at the time I trusted his opinion as he keeps Dumerills and lives back EAST, as does THIS individual. Basically, I was asking him what he thought of the guy, since he lived on the same coast as Jason and Jason had knowledge of him.
Not to long after this Jason asked me to pick up some snakes for him, as he would have been buying them "sight unseen" and wanted my opinion as to their state of health. Because of time restraints and distance,I never did pick them up and ship them to Jason and his girlfriend Christine.

Between that time and now a lot has transpired between Jason and myself. He has defended Bill Cagle, his good friend and business associate, even in light of the way he treated a customer of his , one Kemper Ruth, which was pretty lousy.
And agian he defended him, in light of the I.b.d. controversey that swirled around Cagle and others.



Since I asked him that question, my opinion of Jason has diminished greatly. He is an outspoken critic of people around him that dont agree with him, and he vehemently defends people that , quite frankly, we all know to be not good individuals. He has defended Bill Cagle MANY times and will doubtelessly do so in the future . I have no respect for Jason, and Jason in turn has no respect for me. Dealing with an  life threatening illness or surgical procedure  in ones family is NEVER easy, especially when you have #### heads like this guy takeing the opportunity to be the"moral vangaurd" for the herp community. I am NOT angry that he corrected me on the dates,no, more so that he would post an email that I sent him to glorify himself as some type of guru  simply because I asked his opinion and at the same time try to entrap me in a lie Frankly, if he was going to entrap someone, the FIRST
Person he ought to cry wolf over is his good friend:
                                              Bill Cagle
but that never happens, because that would mean that JASON would have to align himself against someone that is seeminly bigger than he is. which he doesnt do.


Now...he wil reply to this, and you will read it.
He writes well, and for this reason, if no other wil come across seeming factual. Jason is very opinionated
The reality of this situation is simply this:

Jason is a virtual unknown in reptile breeding circles, and he comes on here to do 2 thingsefend his good friend Bill Cagle and put me down.

I NEVER ,ever have people mention him to me. Not when talking reptiles, not when talking about anything. And frankly, I have gotten into a habit of not mentioning him to anyone, which is cool, because they wouldnt knw who the heck I was talking about anyway.

In the scheme of things, Jason from Jusdums is really nothing.
Just another guy that picked the wrong horse to back and did so even when it broke down the pasture fence. Jason is smart, to be sure, but just dumb enough to continue being the same type of person that he has been since Nov of 2001.
A virtual unknown whos calling card is his defense of the indefensible and is better known for his use of rock lyrics as put downs.   This guys is a real peach.


          All I can say is this:

         You do business with him, cause I wont.



                             Most sincerely,


                                Fred Albury
                                (Aztec Reptiles)

whats with the header you calling your army, Toooom, Saaaaal

"Insight into Jasons character" LMAO thats to funny Fred!!!
ok so no one gets confused I will repsot my origanl post that Fred is replying to in this one
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Fred I got some things to show ya!!!!!

No Lies(copied and pasted from your ad on kingsnake)

These snakes have been in my COLLECTION for 1
year.(came from the same ad)


&quot;Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:15:13 -0800 (PST)
From: &quot;Fred A&quot; &lt;FA19@excite.com&gt; | Block Address spam_| Add to Address Book
To: chatton_us@yahoo.com
Subject: Jason/Danni, need your opinion............... spam_ spam_ spam_
Hi Folks!!
... The reason for this e-mail is I would like your opinion.
I found a pair of Madagascerensis on the classifeds, have wanted these for quite a while, and finally have sold some snakes and may be able to affordthem.The problem is this:
I cant truly tell if they are PURE madagascerensis or Dumerills/Mad intergrades(Read: mutts)
Jason, with your practiced eye for dumerills, you could pick it out right away. spam_I also went to toyu guys because I didnt want to go to someone that would be competeing with me for the snakes, instead of giving me their honest opinion....&quot;


oh wait lets look at that date on that email again &quot;Wed, 31 Oct 2001 18:15:13&quot; ummm and I know they were not bought for another 3 or 4 weeks after this email so that means, you didnt get them till late Nov probally Dec and they have bairly been in you collection for 4.5 months, but hey everyone Fred does not lie because &quot;No Lies&quot; his ad says so, and why dont you tell the truth about that male while your at it!!! hummm??

can we say missrepresenation, if you had them for ten months i could see rounding up and saying a year having them for 4 months and rounding to a year, go figure
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Now on to other things
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> inadvertently posted the wrong date as the length of time they were in my collection</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Fred cut everyone a break and stop insulting everyones interligence, you dont inadvertantly extend a date over 8 months
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They were in fact purchased around Oct30,2001 </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> No Fred I spoke to you over a week after you emailed this to me, which would mean the first week of Dec and then you had to speak to several other people, so be honest Fred rember &quot;No Lies&quot;

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">been buying them &quot;sight unseen&quot; and wanted my opinion </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> oh fred wrong again let me see if I still have those emails, all I wanted was for you to match these animals to some pictures pay the guy and ship them to me, I never asked for your &quot;opinion&quot; the guys was using a hotmail address and I dont not trust that with the amounts of money involved, but hey good reversal try

Why you dragging my g/f into this again Fred are we getting deperatew because we got caught in a lie? she has NOTHING to do with any of this, should I post some of those old JOUELOUS emails you used to send her, show everyone how insecure and joulous you really are, we still got them, now can we leave her out of this Fred???

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">his good friend and business associate</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> there we go again with that miss direction and trying to stretch the truth as far as we can what happened to &quot; No Lies&quot;<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>?

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">one Kemper Ruth</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> whats there to say about that besides your trying to stray from the point but Ill humor Fred, The kid wasnt happy with his purchase, he was only what 15 or something, so he sent it back to Bill, He wanted a replacment animals from Bill, his mother however didnt feel he need to be playing with expensive Surinames, so she asked for a refund, Bill refund 100% of what the kid had invested incvluding ALL shipping costs to and from Bills place, so what more is there to say, his MOTHER stopped the deal and he walked away without a penny invested so what more is there to say, now nice try with the diversion but back on topic


</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">critic of people around him that dont agree with him</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> once again Fred I emailed you through private and once again, you kno wwhat this is called missdirection, trying to project on me what you see in yourself

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He has defended Bill Cagle MANY times </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> and you dont defedn what you feel is right, why dont you tell everyone about the emails you used to send me 2-3 years agon about how bad you hated Bill, why dont you tell everyone about that, you hated Cagle from day one tyhat he showed up in the boa forum because of all the pics he used to post, admit it Fred, you see him as one of the bog boys anmd for some reason you get pleasure out of trying to bring &nbsp;down &quot;one of the big boys&quot; now back on topic

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dealing with an spam_life threatening illness or surgical procedure spam_in ones family is NEVER easy, </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Fred I tuely do feel for you, however stop tryiung to make everyone feel sorry for you and leave your family as well as mine out of it

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">especially when you have #### heads like this guy takeing the opportunity to be the&quot;moral vangaurd&quot; for the herp community. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> oh yes Fred a &quot;####head&quot; I am because I caught you in a lie and provided proof to it, are we a little desperate to shift blame and anything else ou can onto other things???

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I am NOT angry that he corrected me on the dates,</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> well obviously you are mad or you wouldnt be trying to drag my animals, g/f and Bill into spam_this, in your desperate atempt to missdirect attention, all of which having abosolutly nothing to do with this

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">more so that he would post an email that I sent him to glorify himself as some type of guru </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> no Fred I simply backed up what I was saying with evidence

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">at the same time try to entrap me in a lie</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> no Fred you did that to yourself

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if no other wil come across seeming factual</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> well Fred thats because all I am doing is stating the facts

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I NEVER ,ever have people mention him to me. Not when talking reptiles, not when talking about anything. And frankly, I have gotten into a habit of not mentioning him to anyone, which is cool, because they wouldnt knw who the heck I was talking about anyway.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> what is it with this godly opinion of yourself???

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">In the scheme of things, Jason from Jusdums is really nothing.
Just another guy that picked the wrong horse to back and did so even when it broke down the pasture fence. Jason is smart, to be sure, but just dumb enough to continue being the same type of person that he has been since Nov of 2001.
A virtual unknown whos calling card is his defense of the indefensible and is better known for his use of rock lyrics as put downs. spam_ This guys is a real peach.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> well I am not going to say anything because once again you are insulting everones inteligence with your overinflated opinion of yourself

Fred if you are going to reply to this why dont you stick to the facts, stop trying to missdirect everything and pull attention of yourself by dragging Bill, my g/f and the neighbors dog in this, I said nothing of any of these and posted factual evidence to back up what I have said that you admitted was factual, so knock it off with the diversion tactics, oh and once again why dont you tell everyone the truth about that male?<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> god I love your freinds down there in S.D. </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A virtual unknown </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> a little arogant dont you think, thats the same arogance you used when you reffered to everyone in the boa forum as a bunch of </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">drop in the bucket nobodys</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

so lets stick to the facts Fred!!! and come on annie up about the male

Folks,

Kemper Ruth bought a Surinam Boafrom Bill Cagle.
He is young, 17 years old at the time.
The Snake arrived at his house and had &nbsp;multiple LUMPS
in the neck.Kemper attempted to contact Bill Cagle but
had no success.
&nbsp;When he finally did make contact with him, Cagle told him that the injuries probably &quot;occurred&quot; dureing shipment.
He grudgingly agreed to refund the lads money in full.

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;((((HERES WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING)))
Kemper was told to ship the snake back to Bill. He did so. The snake arrived on Bill porch. Bill Cagle claims that because of the negligence of the carier, the snake was left out there with no one to sign for it...and died...... Bill mentioned going after the shippping company for negligence on their part for the value of the snake............
Fair enough...........

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; About 3 weeks later, this same &quot;DEAD&quot; snake is posted for sale on Kingsnake.com classifieds for sale!
It had been Resurrected!! And this time without the LUMPS
in the neck! Amazeing!
Kemper posted a complaint of it here, got bashed by Cagle and a few of his former customers, and of course by Jason, who is Cagles biggest female dog to date! Cagle was asked to post pics of the dead snake, took forever to do so and when he did , it didnt appear to be the same snake at all.Mmmm..

I defended this kid against Cagle, and had guys like Jason and Jason put me down because of it.

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &quot;PLEASE READ THIS&quot;

The kid involved had ALLREADY owned and purchased snakes from REPUTABLE sources i.e. Al Baldago,Gary Sipperly,Bill Parks,Randy Wright,Notah Howe...all without one glitch in the purchase. He payed top dollar for HIGH QUALITY snakes from good sources, i.e. Tiger Retic,Suriname boas(c/b),Yellow head Retics.

SO... The picture that Jason paints is one of some kid that just spent to much whose mother wanted him to &quot;return&quot; the &quot;expensive snake&quot; is not TRUE and is factually false.
THE....&quot;REAL&quot; picture is that this poor kid was unlucky enough to purchase a snake from one of the reprehensible BROKERS of Boas in THIS country, namely Bill Cagle,
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;and that
JASON from Jus Dums,Bills good friend, defends him at every turn, no matter what..

&nbsp; Jason is Bills Friend, and a mighty good one at that.


My post above?

I corrected and admitted my error about the dates.

I mentioned &nbsp;people in the title of my post that have responded in their OWN fashion about posts here concerning both Bill Cagle and posts that contained their names, fashioned by Jason.




GUYS, GALS...If you look at the way in which Jason digs for
errors or inconsistencies, not only in myself, but in everyone that has rebutted him here. Just the FACTS...says Jason.
Well, the FACT is that I wouldnt buy from him ever.
And the FACT is that he supports and defends Bill Cagle.
Even admist Cagles accusations that this board wasnt important and that &nbsp;the people here were &quot;Morons &amp; Idiots&quot;

FACT is....Jason will continue to be himself...both here and everywhere he goes.As my one of my buds, who is a vet ,said&quot;That mans a prize winning ass&quot; Coming from a &nbsp;decorated navy seal that &nbsp;means something to me. Yup...that sums it up.&quot;Prize winning...............

Jason-BillCagle- &nbsp;Boy we pick some real winners in this hobby dont we?

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fred Albury
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(Aztec Reptiles)

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<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

ok first off, after thinking about this
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Jason and his girlfriend Christine.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yes her name is Christine, She goes by Danica over the net, she has absolutly nothing to do with any of this and one time replied nicely asking to be left out of it all, but I hope this goes to show how trust worthy Mr Albury is with personal info, his beef is with me not her, but he brings her up to try and get me to react and look like a butt, can anyone out there really blame her for using a differant name, with all the froot loops, wackos, rapists and stalkers we walk this earth with??? I know of several women in these very forums that do the same thing but ill never tell who they are IMO it is a very inteligent thing for a woman to do, but make sure you dont ever let Fred know because even when you have absolutly nothing to do with something he will find a way to drag you in it, now Fred thats not one but two inocent women you have attacked that had NOTHING to do with any of the issues at hand I am begining to see a pattern here!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you look at the way in which Jason digs for
errors or inconsistencies</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Fred cant ya do any better then that?
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">As my one of my buds, who is a vet ,said&quot;That mans a prize winning ass&quot; Coming from a spam_decorated navy seal that spam_means something to me.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Fred who cares

as far as the rest of your post is has nothing to do with this, its just another one of your nice diversion tactics so im not going to bother with that

its obvious you got something to hide because i have asked you about the male several times and you keep s8ting around that question, so annie up lets here the truth

Jason,

My male Madagascar Ground boa?
He was purchased from Joe Debewski, was ALWAYS a fussy eater and has at times refused food for long periods of time.As of late he has eaten on his own, without scenting techniques, split braining or any of the other tricks that I had to employ to get him feeding. So far I have gotten 4 good meals down him without employing &quot;tricks&quot; to do so. I offer him food every other day, in hopes that he will take it and take off. When Joe had him, he onkly ate like 4 times.

I think that pretty much covers that.


To all who read this, be ye' urkers or B.o.I. participants...
Its like I said earlier. Would you deakl with this guy on any level?

This is not a contest between choosing between myself and Jason. I suppose you could like one and like the other also, though most people I know that like me seem to not like people like Jason...or his good friend Bill Cagle(Sometimes I think we should fuse those names together so that they can be synonomos, lol&#33<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> &nbsp;Perhaps because they dont like cheats and thieves(Cagle) or perhaps they just dont like those that would defend them, even when they so adamantly have shown their disdain for the very same public that provides their second income(Jason)

Who knows.....
And Jasons right about this.....
Who cares.......

I leave you folks to think about him, his nature and the nature of his master(Cagle)

An observation I made last year, and am glad that I did.
He is as he has been since Cagle sold Kemper that boa,

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Not his own
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; One to avoid.


&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Sincerely,

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Fred Albury
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;(Aztec Fred)

Fred, I am going to leave you with your lies and missrepresenations of your animals, all you had to do was say &quot;I was wrong so I changed the ad&quot; but you continue to try and save yourself and in turn prove all my points, for that I thank you!!!!!

Jason more rock lyrics please.......could you maybe hit us with some Trixster!!!! You should open a record store and stop selling snakes for Cagle....you and Cagle could sell scratched records and cd's.....sorry that crap you like never made it to CD...

<img src="http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>
chris..you sound like a moron sometimes. please let it go with the music..what on earth does it have to do with this subject going on here??

fred.

why not just say oh..sorry..or i goofed or whatever.
it wasent the biggest blunder of all times and nobody is going to concern themselves about the exact date of the purchase.
its not a big deal.
you dont have to be perfect. and for pete sake nobody is judging you. forget it.
leave jason alone and just keep chugging forward.
the thing to realize and appreciate about jason is that fact that he is so loyal. if you dont like the person he is loyal to well thats a whole other story but the man has his convictions and will die defending them. i give him some credit for that because it isent an easy job and nobody wants to get on here and get slammed like jason gets slammed but then again you see him coming out and trying to help neil..a person that told him to back down a few times etc etc so..
whether you agree with him or not..he should get some credit for being a loyal friend .
i dont know you fred and have no reason to dislike you but dont let yourself get caught up helping create the very thing you seem to dislike so much..if jason and or cagle should have compassion for ruth kemper or chris red then should we not have some for jason and or cagle too?
if we all stopped pointing fingers and arguing so much it might seem kind of boring at times but then again..it might open the door for some awesome experiences to come forth and
oh forget it im too much of an idealist..lmao..im starting to sound like a backup preacher at a black church service..
my bad..sorry.

Kim you sound like nothing at all...I'm sorry I can't help it music is my bread adnd butter and I most point &nbsp;out things like that...sorry Kim!!! I'm a dork not a moron!!!

OK...I'll stop it's just hard I find it so funny....but before I stop Fred look at this link I think it says alot about Dum Jason!!!


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