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Old 03-17-2005, 02:26 AM   #1
Wilomn
Wilomn, a brief expose'

Let me preface this by saying I put it in this forum because I was unsure where else to put it. Had I put it in Hell, apparently many who may have benifitted from its reading would remain unaware of its existance. I don't think it should go in the rogue's gallery as I am not introducing myself or posting a picture but explaining away, hopefully, misconceptions. I'm not Sounding Off, but explaining, as I am not angry. And, when you come right down to it, it really is more akin to BS than anything else. So here it is.


I’ve pondered whether or not to elucidate on my particulars for quite some time and now, and with the debacle that occurred in the leopard gecko forum, I am persuaded that it is perhaps time to “share” some of what makes me who and what I am.

Before I proceed any further let me say, here and now, that I am NOT singling out any particular person or group. If you take offense to anything you read, look within yourself for the source. This time, and perhaps this time only, I am not baiting anyone.

Onward.

First off, several have wondered what the name Wilomn means or where it comes from. I’ve explained it previously but perhaps it was in hell so some missed it. For those of you to whom Tolkein is NOT a stranger, you may remember a journey taken by Bilbo and several of his dwarfish friends in which they met Tom Bombadil and his friend Old Man Willow. Old Man Willow was around just shortly after Tom arrived and he is rumored to be Eldest. Old Man Willow was a wise but not necessarily friendly tree that actually tried to eat either Merry or Pippin, I don’t at this time recall which, but was subsequently persuaded to let him loose by Tom’s singing. One doesn’t mess with Old Man Willow lightly. Left alone, he’ll provide shade to cool you on warm days and shelter to protect from rain. Mostly. And more so when he was young than in his old age, which has made him somewhat cantankerous, which is another way of saying not always so nice as he could be. When I first signed up as a member here it seems that both Old Man Willow and Willowman were taken. Hence Wilomn. I liked the character a lot and also like the trees themselves.

Now, it seems that some people have the impression that I only want to nitpick and cuss and swear and take advantage of others. This is not, in and of itself, the entire truth. While I do enjoy a good argument, whether the wording be “mom” friendly or not, it is not my sole desire to “have at it” with any and all. There is method to my madness as well as a bit of madness to my method.

I can see NO reason at all to tolerate lies and deception. I can see NO reason at all to let those whom I am sure are practicing such get away with it. Do I enjoy it, the arguments, yes, on occasion, I do. But, the bottom line is that my personal enjoyment is merely a bonus on top of exposing bad guys. I feel that it is my responsibility to keep them from taking advantage of those with less experience or knowledge or just plain bad luck. I like a good argument. Sometimes I like it down and dirty and sometimes I don’t. I do try, however, to accommodate those who wish to butt heads with me whether it be who knows the most ways to say "bugger off" or who knows more about parasitology or morph identification etc., etc., etc. And, in all honesty, I must admit that I do enjoy routing guys like kenny “gorillaboy” yates, or the sal tornambes or the an-als and kunnys of the world. I do.

I do NOT post what I do in the hopes of ANYONE thinking I’m clever or smart or getting pats on the back or attaboys. I do what I do ONLY because I want to or, if the want is not there as it is not on occasion, because I feel I must. I have actually defended both neil gubitz and sal tornambe when I, and I mean that with a capitol I, thought they were wronged. I didn’t want to, but it was the right thing to do, to me, so I did it. I seek NO ONES approval. If you happen to agree with me, that’s a bonus and if you don’t agree with me, well, I never asked for your opinion anyway. I do NOT weigh what I say by what someone else will think of it. I am also fully aware that NO ONE needs my approval.

Truly bad guys like sal and ken and all the rest, lil’ petey and adam, gosh too many to count or remember, do NOT deserve any special or even nice treatment. I don’t believe in redemption for everyone. Some are simply incapable of the necessary change. I simply won’t waste my time or effort on them. You are welcome to try, but just because you think differently than I does NOT make me wrong, nor you for that matter. It’s simply a different way of dealing with an unpleasant fact of humanity. Some of them a just scumbags, plain and simple.

It’s NOT a popularity contest and I truly do NOT care whether anyone reading anything I write likes me or what I have written and conversely, I do NOT care if you DO like it. I do NOT post for publicity or accolade. This is not meant as an insult to anyone who is a “fan” of mine, I’m just explaining my motivations which have been sadly mistaken of late. I have no agenda, no goals for domination, no desire to be in the forefront at all. It does happen that I am on occasion, in the forefront that is, but that is a result of the fact that many simply say nothing, while I, on the other hand, say much. If there were more voices speaking up for the little guy, or the guy who was wronged, I would have less to say myself. Watch the threads heat up. I do NOT post in all of them that I could.

When you combine my proclivity for verbiage with the real life experience I have with MANY different types of reptiles as well as people, you get just what you see. I am NOT the most pleasant of people to many who read these forums because all they see is me going at it with the bad guys out there. I am NOT always as nice as I am capable of being and when I am not nice it is by choice. It gets results. The other side of the coin is a different picture entirely. I actually can be one of the nicest guys in this hobby/business. I just don’t have any NEED to broadcast it. As I stated previously, I seek no ones approval, need no ones permission, am completely capable of making my own decisions, be they right, wrong , good or bad. I make them, they are mine and mine alone and I take responsibility for them. Alone and in their entirety.

If you have read this far I would ask a boon of you. How many really bad guys are no longer active on this site, not to mention several other sites, because of, whether directly or indirectly, something said or done by Wilomn? How many good guys have left because of, whether indirectly or directly, something said or done by Wilomn? By my count, which in reality I do not have as I don’t keep track of actual numbers, it’s bad guys gone- more than just a couple, and good guys gone- none. The possibility exists that I am wrong in my reckoning, but I think I am not.

In the midst of bad and good we have folks like Vince the leopard gecko guy and Wendy Collins/Griffin who were POUNDED by me. But, when they started to come around, I ceased my “special treatment” of them, and actually offered encouragement and advice, both publickly as well as privately. In fact, just so you know now and I will not mention it again, I was trying to “show them the errors” of their ways even while bashing the hell out of them. I don’t do that with everyone, but do on occasion consider it appropiate.

On the good guy side of things we have Chris of Topshelf Exotics. I am terrible with names, always have been, and I mistook him for someone who had lied to the Faithful Fauna Readers and I treated him just like I would any other scumbag out there. He explained that I was mistaken, proved his point adequately and we have had ZERO problems since. I am NOT so set in my thoughts that if you can convince me that I’m wrong I will not admit that I was. It just doesn’t happen often, the convincing me that I am wrong part, but it has been recorded as having occurred.

This should explain my “reasoning” to a point that it is understandable by anyone. I hope it is anyway.

Now to the recent party planned in Tex. and brought to the leopard gecko forum. It seems that some of you all have taken it upon yourselves to assume you know my motivations and, not only my motivations, but also my emotional status. I was accused by several of you of being hostile to one of your members. Were that truly hostility, the pages would still be smoking ruins even now. I’ve rarely been hostile. Should you wish to view hostility check out the threads in Hell that an-al and his ponypal kunny started. THAT was hostility. Some of you are far too full of yourselves and have NO right to assume you know the whys and hows of what I do.

I saw a wrong and spoke out on it. I have done so in the past and will most likely do so in the future. I am consistent in this. I am also tenacious. Once I start I do not give up. THAT is part of why so many see me with such disfavor. I have been relentless in my exposing one particular individual in particular. I do NOT seek him out, I do NOT go looking for him and his ads, heck, I go days and weeks without thinking of him at all. BUT, if I do happen across a lie, or misrepresentation, or cleverly worded but impossible ad, I WILL question it. Tenacity in action. Really now, how many times can you make the same mistake and STILL have people think it’s really a MISTAKE? 2 times maybe, 3 times possibly, 6 or MORE times, no and when it’s continual, well come on, is it a mistake at that point? I say no, it’s simple thievery. Add to thievery a personal component, like threats of lawsuits and other such nonsense for bringing to light such theivery and you reach the place I am in now. No quarter given, none asked. Blunt but honest. Can you say the same for everyone? I think not.

I also think some of you, in particular those who think they know my base motivation, those who think I seek to be the center of attention or am simply a bigmouth know- it- all, should think a little harder. It would be harder to be farther from the truth should you think such be true. I’m just a guy who says what he wants when he wants to whomever he wants. I wonder, is it the fact that I am right far more often than not or is it my method that offends you so? And, either way, it’s NOT my problem, because, not to offend anyone, I do not need YOUR approval.

To sum it up, I’m a good guy to have on your side and a terrible enemy. The choice is ALMOST always up to you, whoever you may be. I am not concerned with public opinion of me, not at all. I am concerned with what I think is right and/or necessary and that I do something about it and NOT sit idly by wishing someone ELSE would.

Thus endeth the one and only explanation of the motivation of Wilomn.
 
Old 03-17-2005, 02:57 AM   #2
KelliH
Wes, this is a strange post. I have no idea what warranted it. Maybe you got a few pm's about the party thread? I dunno. Hmm not sure what else to say.. Um, you don't need OUR approval (or MY approval), that's cool, we (I) don't need yours either.

I dig the story behind the username. One of my favorite chapters is the Tom Bombadil one. I love The Lord of the Rings. My mother used to read it to me as a very young child, maybe 4 or 5. That was back in the good ole 1970's. Ah, those were the days weren't they.

Anyway Wes, I pretty much like you (not that you need my approval or anything hahaha). I think the party issue on the leo forum should just be dropped. I think Lucille knows she probably made a mistake posting it there, and I think some of us know we probably overreacted a little bit. End of story, for me anyway. Peace bro.
 
Old 03-17-2005, 07:36 PM   #3
Chris@TSE
Jesus Wes..... My coffee got cold while I was reading that thing. Shame on you!
 
Old 03-17-2005, 10:01 PM   #4
Cheryl Marchek AKA JM
hhhhmmmmmm..............

Obviously I miss a lot of stuff. I don't read the hell forum much, I don't keep geckos~ mostly I just cruz the "New posts" and read anything that catches my eye~ so I don't really know what all the contraversy is~

Doesn't stop me from having something to say now that I've stumbled across your post!

Wilomn~ Willow Man~ it fits you. If any of you have ever met Wes you know what I'm talking about. It fits him. And he is a very nice guy~ went way out of his way to help me out a couple years ago~ and he did it just because he's a nice guy!

But I think I'll keep pronouncing Wilomn the way I always have. Like "Will~Um" As you know, my youngest sons name is William. I've allways had a kind of pet name for him~ I call him Willum~ I don't know why~ just something Moms do sometimes. He's my little Willum! When I first saw your user name~ Wilomn, thats how I imagined it was pronounced~ and when you offered to come and help me out~ I might have been too timid to accept, but I associated you with my Willum. When I met you~ well~ WillowMan fits you better~ but your just gonna have to live with Willum just like my youngest son does!
 
Old 03-17-2005, 10:49 PM   #5
shrap
Wow Wes,

All I can say is..... excellent use of paragraphs, bro!!
 
Old 03-18-2005, 01:14 PM   #6
Bill_Leverton
Wes Thats why I posted In Hell that you and Greg Holland and myself get together when I go to Gregs, it was out of respect for you
 
Old 03-18-2005, 01:24 PM   #7
Dennis Hultman
I am still going to give you a "pat on the back" when I agree with you like it or not.
 
Old 03-20-2005, 11:12 AM   #8
Stardust
Blah blah blah, yap yap yap!
I am not making your head any larger than it already is.
 
Old 03-27-2005, 01:08 PM   #9
kiote9
It is always nice to read the posts of one who has a command of the language and is not afraid to use it. Keep posting Wilomn and I will keep reading.

I don't care that you don't care, I like you anyway.
 
Old 03-27-2005, 01:23 PM   #10
DAND
Brief huh?

I don't know how I missed this one. It must have been posted when I was having my computer troubles.

Thank God he didn't give us the unabridged version.

Well said (written) Wes.
 

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