Leopard Gecko Registry; Unneeded Bureaucracy?

I've been lurking around on the net lately, and something popped up recently. It is called the Leopard Gecko Registry (LGR). The question I'm posing to everyone is, “Why in the world would you want to put such a bureaucracy in place?”

Sure, they is a huge list of breeders reproducing leopard geckos, including various (seems unlimited) color and physical morphs. They often sale similar animals under different names. Even quite different animals under the same name. I'm sure it would be nice to streamline names for the morphs, selecting certain traits that would set standards for each unique herpetocultive ambition. This is just the wrong place to do it. The proper place would be in reference materials; maybe a decent book overwhelmingly looked to by the hobby. I see the up side and perhaps the original reason for such a creation of a forum. It would allow parentage of offspring to be easily looked up, etc. Sort of sounds like the AKC, but for leopard geckos.

In a hobby where we are driven by pure interest in these animals, for whatever reason, why would we even dare to create such a registry? In effect you are just creating more work for yourself (paperwork, ehh) and more red tape for future herpetoculturists wanting to get started with their own ideas. Right now it is obvious that the LGR has no power in the reptile world, but if the conditions are right the LGR could become the next big thing in the leo world. In effect, you would be taking power out of your hands and putting it in someone else.

We already have system in place to do practically everyone the LGR was created for. It's called the free market. It dictates what each morph looks like and if accurate & detailed records are needed for a breeder to sell their stock. I personally like this system best because it shows the true nature of the product that is being offered. Luckily the LGR is also at the door of the free market and I'm sure that in a sort while it will become defunct.

With that being said, I have a feeling that while the LGR was created out of a good idea. It's nothing more then a hungry power trip for those who created it, and perhaps even those that are members. Time is better put somewhere else and with something much more creative.

Justyn, I agree that this is an unneeded entity.
This is the quote that I agree with most.

Originally Posted by Intense Herpetoculture

In effect, you would be taking power out of your hands and putting it in someone else.

I'm sure that Stephanie had good intentions but I am the one who attaches my name to the animals that I sell. I am the one who stands behind them and I am the one who makes sure that when someone buys an animal from me, they are happy. I don't think that any certificate from a third party is going to do that.

Stephanie, this is not a dig at you, it is just the reasoning in why I CHOOSE not to participate in your program.

agreed. theres a reason for free enterprise. and although i whole heartedly disagree with out sourcing, i feel that every other aspect of free enterprise is great. we dont need a system of checks and balances outside of the market consumers and breeders themselves. this would in short limit what breeders could call theyre morphs due to paperwork and like stated above would become a real pain in the arse. i dont know if the people in charge were looking for a power trip. perhaps the intentions were good but the overall plan on how to carry out those intentions is a little flawed.

[quote=Intense Herpetoculture]I have a feeling that while the LGR was created out of a good idea. It's nothing more then a hungry power trip for those who created itQUOTE]

I agree with you on everything but this. I feel it was created out of the desire to generate income off of the industry... luckily most people feel the $5 is best spent towards feeding the geckos instead of getting a piece of paper that says they spent $5 to post a classified ad.

I appreciate the idea and all, it's just that I keep good records of my own and the time involved with registering records with another entity just doesn't seem worthwhile to me. Same thing with the Cornsnake Registry. I could see it being more valuable/worthwhile with something like the ball python or bearded dragon market however.

Originally Posted by TripleMoonsExotic

Please explain to me why you wish to claim "bureaucracy" when we do not wish to have individuals "abusing" the LGR by useing it as a free link...

ANSWER:

Originally Posted by Intense

I have a feeling that while the LGR was created out of a good idea. It's nothing more then a hungry power trip for those who created it

Originally Posted by Me, Myself, and I

it was created out of the desire to generate income off of the industry...

Believe it or not, having links on your site to others helps generate more traffic to your own site... wanting to charge someone for links tells me you are just looking to cash in. You denied it earlier, but I would have also if it was me.

The only thing that i like about the idea is being able to see the heritage of breeders. Someone can't say their breeders are from so and so. There would be documented proof of bloodlines. You could also see what the lines look like back one generation to the next.

Still i agree with everyone else that while the price seems modest it is unnecessary. You would be giving them too much control in away. It would be nice to be able to find all of the websites in one place though. My wife erased my bookmarks once and it must have taken me 4 hours and a couple of searches to find them again.

I don't know. Cornsnake people now have a registry. And many of us think it's a whiz bang great idea.

It's nothing more then a hungry power trip for those who created it, and perhaps even those that are members.

Or perhaps just another place to have a link to one's website.

No tripping over here.

Seriously though.. it's not a bad idea. Will it work, in the long run? Dunno.

Originally Posted by KelliH

Or perhaps just another place to have a link to one's website.

I was rereading this thread and came up with something I wanted to reply to...

I'm not sure if this was intentially meant that the LGR would be used simply as another place to have a website advertised (IE linked)...but their are going to be restrictions as to whether or not an individual will remain an active LGR Registered Breeder. While we will not delete an individual for any reason from the registry, if a particular person does not participate in the LGR (IE registering geckos, discussion forums, etc) they will be put on "inactive" status and not linked but listed on the LGR with an "inactive" notation. We want participation from the Leo community.