Carrot Tails

what i said originally was that everyone has their own opinion on CT (selectively bred CT ) also .....thank you for putting forth all of the effort ! it just boggles the mind ..... that almost all of what ron , and matt n susans red-stripe line produce , are 50% and up carrottail geckos , ..unlike the fake CT that are actually tangerines or crossed with %10 (i do know what that means) yet they are not carrot-tails ! sure dont think that, if I crossed hines to tangerines , and got %50 CT`s , i would be calling them tangerines because of some spotting i guess i had not known quite a few of these things , this CT to be one with the "genetic-hypo" was really news to me , i had heard alot about the dom. or co-dom hypo ! really did not know CT is somehow genetic also i dont think the red-stripes or this giant morph have any bit of hypo in them , but they all have over %50 to %75 very bright ORANGE tails ! seriously ? that much bright orange is not enough to call them carrottails ? i know ron calls them " carrothead "carrottail" tangerines " !

Dan. I give up. You are obviously not getting what I am saying, and that's fine.

that much bright orange is not enough to call them carrottails ? i know ron calls them " carrothead "carrottail" tangerines " !

Yes, Ron calls some of his albinos carrot tail, but I GUARANTEE you he did NOT call them that before the Hine carrot tails were on the market. His albinos are selectively bred. They have no Hine carrot tail in them. Just like HQR says his do not either.

You can call your geckos whatever you want. All I am trying to explain is that there is a difference. One should not sell selectively bred HYPO TANGERINES as SUPER HYPO CARROT TAILS because there is a big difference: one is a co dominant gene and one is a selectively bred gene. Hopefully new hobbiests will do their research before buying.

In closing, there is another difference between a leopard gecko that has orange "carrotting" on the tail, and one that is a true "hypo carrot tail". The difference is in the bloodline. Maybe someday you will understand this but I am having serious doubts

just something a little interesting....

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This is the hypo in the above photo now...

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The first photo is what I've gotten since 2002 when I cross my Rainwater male to a Hine line CT female I have from Albey. EACH and EVERY single clutch has hatched 50/50 like that, 1 hypo, 1 normal. The normal is reduced some in patterning. BTW, the first photo was taken while the geckos were found in their incubation box.

is TUG,s line from hine's line originally?

Originally posted by KelliH
One should not sell selectively bred HYPO TANGERINES as SUPER HYPO CARROT TAILS because there is a big difference: one is a co dominant gene and one is a selectively bred gene.

Kelli, do you have any comparison pics of a non-Hine hypo tang and a Hine super hypo carrot tail? This has all been pretty educational for me.

is TUG,s line from hine's line originally?

Yes, their carrot tails originated from Ray Hine.

Kelli, do you have any comparison pics of a non-Hine hypo tang and a Hine super hypo carrot tail? This has all been pretty educational for me.

No problem at all :-)

Here are some selectively bred hypo tangerines that have no Ray Hine blood in them at all.







Here is a pure Ray Hine line animal I used to have-


Here is what you can get by mixing these-


One pretty easy way to tell the difference is the lack of spotting on the head. That is where the "baldy" term came from. Ray Hine animals were the first we saw this trait in.

I am glad this is all helping at least one person ;-)

Kelli said:

I am glad this is all helping at least one person ;-)

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i hope (just the way u seem to want it ) %#$@ -it they should just rename this one kelli hammocks inflated-ego forum !

Wow Dan, why don't you tell us how you really feel? LOL. If you would ever take the time to get to know me you would know that I am about the furthest away from having an inflated ego as you can get. I was only trying to help you and others understand the genetics behind some of these bloodlines, and try and help you understand why they are called what they are. I know this stuff not because I am a know it all or have an inflated ego. It's because I have years of experience with leopard geckos and because I have researched all this.

It saddens me that you think I am an egomaniac, simply because I am knowlegable about what I do and trying to pass that knowlege on to people on this forum.

This guy came from a Ray Hine line animal. His mother is from a pair of Leopards directly from Ray Hine. The father of this gecko is from a male from Albey and a female that was the result of a Golden Gecko Tangerine x Ray Hine line Carrot tail. So this gecko has both two grandparents from Ray Hine and two from Tangerine lines. To me he looks like a classic Ray Hine line yellowish carrot tail but he does have tinges of orange throughout his body. I actually like this look and want to continue producing what I call the "classic Ray Hine carrot tail" But in all actuality I need a pure Ray Hine line male to use with my female which I don't have.

That one does have that classic Ray Hine look. He's an awesome gecko Chad. Are you going to be holding him back?