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02-18-2005, 11:57 PM
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actually......
The only one who really has a clue as to leopard geckos' mental capacity and motivations is Glenn Bartley. I quote him:
They are really aliens intent on taking over the earth, but needing help to establish breeding populations of sufficient numbers they have used their mind bending abilities to enslave a certain group of herp keepers.
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02-19-2005, 12:24 AM
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This thread is taking a turn... it's not as fun to read as the 1st 1/2! Well, except for the alien part... thanks Laura for keeping it on the lighter side!
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02-19-2005, 01:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by leaftail
What are emotions but various chemicals released into the brain etc., triggered by either external stimuli or learned behaviours?
IMHO, human personality is a combination of genetics and learned behaviours. We're just animals who think we're better than the other animals.
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Now i would not go that far, To me some mammals are capable of emotions and other things. I remember literally seeing a dog cry once seperated from a a human friend. The dogs face the next day had visable marks from tears running down its face. It was examined by a vet to make sure it did not have a watery eye problem and it did not have any problems at all.
Like those animals that save thier owners from fires and other accidents, most were not trained for it. I have seen dogs never known for violence, attack someone who tried to hurt its master. If that isnt a expression of an emotion, i would not know what to call it then.
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02-19-2005, 05:08 AM
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I think animals have emotions too. Geckos are simpler creatures so their emotions are simpler. Like alice said, fear is an emotion, a primitive emotion, and no one can argue that animals feel fear. I think they feel happiness too, in a very simple form, call it contentment maybe, like when they have a nice full belly and are tucked into a warm safe hide.
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02-19-2005, 09:39 AM
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I must disagree and say that fear is not an emotion but it is a primortal mechanism of self and species preservation....... Fear is an instinct but can be triggerd by a learned behavior...... Some people keep comparing dog and cats and other animals to reptiles..... Reptiles have a much more primative and basic brain with basic functions...... They are absolutly incapable of feeling things like happiness, sadness, love, and so on...... The Srtess they do feel is not a mental stress like we feel.... It is a stress on their physical being that cause them to have problems...... Anyway, I think this is a good topic of convo...... It is interesting to read what others think on the topic.....
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02-19-2005, 09:54 AM
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#36
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Gregg beat me to it. Fear is a basic instinct not an emotion. If it was connected to emotion they might just drop their tail whenever a human they don't care for comes into view.
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02-19-2005, 10:12 AM
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#37
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P.S. I am still waiting for Overton to jump in on this one....LOL
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02-19-2005, 10:15 AM
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which brings us immediately back to the concept of having any sort of feeling for (or opinion of) a person. you started a good thread, Gregg. inspiring thought, and definitely evoking opinion and sentiment...have fun all - I'll be back for the definitive answer later. hate to miss any of this, but my snakes miss me (couldnt resist that)
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02-19-2005, 07:40 PM
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#39
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Couldn't one argue that emotions are rooted in instinct? Where do you draw the line?
-Alice
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02-19-2005, 07:49 PM
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Emotions are not rooted to instinct..... Emotions and instincts are 2 different mechanisms that occur in two different parts of the brain..... It just so happens that reptiles are missing the part of the brain that controls emotions....
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