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new caring home for kinked/disfigured BPs

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Elizabeth Minton

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i used to only buy ball pythons to breed but as of today i have a new idea. just because a ball python has a disfigurement or a kink does not mean it should not be sold as a pet. i realized this during this week when i bought a male orange ghost with a kink. i decided it would make a great pet for my boyfriends 18th birthday since he has wanted on for a couple years now. it dawned on me that selling kinked animals even as pets is not thought of highly, but whose place is it to discriminate. if a person can find a good loving home for a snake with a kink or a disfigurment why not let it be the way it is. just because a snake is born disfigured does not mean it cant be sold to a loving family. that is why i wrote this. i have decided to be a breeder from the start, but i am now also extending my reach as a sort of sanctuary for disfigured or kinked BPS. i am willing to give them a loving home with everything they need to live happy. they will be able to be happy and healthy. they will not be bred and once bought they will no longer be sold to anyone other than friends or family agreeing to not breed or sell them to anyone other than back to me. they will be able to age in peace and live a full life
 
please dont bad mouth my karma. i do not plan to breed any of these kinds of ball pythons. i am thinking from the heart and it is not illigal to care about them getting a good home. you guys do not personally know me but i have many other animals with defects or cripples. i do not breed them either. if you have something to say please pm me before badmouthing my karma i am a noble person no a money greedy person who will breed anything
 
Elizabeth I think the problem people have with this is that you are wanting free or practically
Free Animals that you would eventually make profit on? I believe you have good intensions its just not gonna be recieved that way when you want to sell disabled animals for profit.
I mean no ill will toward you I think you are a very nice young lady.
 
i do not want them free or cheap. i am thinking for the snakes themselves. just because they have physical issues does not mean they shouldnt be able to have good homes. right now i am not thinking of the breeding i am not that selfish. every animal mammal or reptile etc deserves the same as any other non cripple animal. im tired of them being pushed away. thats like not befriending a person because something is physically or mentally wrong with them. its not the animals fault how they turned out why judge them harshly
 
Elizabeth Minton said:
i do not want them free or cheap. i am thinking for the snakes themselves. just because they have physical issues does not mean they shouldnt be able to have good homes. right now i am not thinking of the breeding i am not that selfish. every animal mammal or reptile etc deserves the same as any other non cripple animal. im tired of them being pushed away. thats like not befriending a person because something is physically or mentally wrong with them. its not the animals fault how they turned out why judge them harshly
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So, you're going to BUY kinked and disfigured animals to sell? Do I understand your business plan correctly?

Do you actually think there's a market for those animals?
 
no i want to buy them to add as part of my household...family. if i do get rid of them it would only be to family members and if they dont want the animal anymore it will go back to me only. no animals with kinks are ever to be sold or bred once they arrive to me. i have a heart for these creatures and i only want to make there lives happy. i enjoy taking in cripples of other animals and one day i hope to be a vet
 
Elizabeth Minton said:
i have nothing but good intentions
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I think the "trust" factor on "good intentions" is a bit low for some of us. But I don't think anyone will mind selling you a reject that they decide to let live. HOWEVER, why should they do that when there's no guarantee that you will have the money to buy all the animals that are destined to be culled?

What you basically are asking is for breeders to hold up their plans and feed and house animals that may be in pain and are basically unsellable except to you...do you see now?
 
as long as they are happy and not in pain. it is the breeders call wheather they live. if they are so disfigured they cant function then they need to be put down. i see what you mean but not every snake is in pain because of their disfigurment. if its a minor kink or even a large kink it doesnt call for certain death. i just bought a snake with a minor kink in its tail friday and im awaiting its arrival sometime this week. it didnt look to be in pain at all and it was the sellers choice to let it live and it was my choice to buy it. i know it will be happy here since it is actually going to my boyfriend for his 18th birthday. he will be an only pet
 
Elizabeth Minton said:
i used to only buy ball pythons to breed but as of today i have a new idea. just because a ball python has a disfigurement or a kink does not mean it should not be sold as a pet. i realized this during this week when i bought a male orange ghost with a kink. i decided it would make a great pet for my boyfriends 18th birthday since he has wanted on for a couple years now. it dawned on me that selling kinked animals even as pets is not thought of highly, but whose place is it to discriminate. if a person can find a good loving home for a snake with a kink or a disfigurment why not let it be the way it is. just because a snake is born disfigured does not mean it cant be sold to a loving family. that is why i wrote this. i have decided to be a breeder from the start, but i am now also extending my reach as a sort of sanctuary for disfigured or kinked BPS. i am willing to give them a loving home with everything they need to live happy. they will be able to be happy and healthy. they will not be bred and once bought they will no longer be sold to anyone other than friends or family agreeing to not breed or sell them to anyone other than back to me. they will be able to age in peace and live a full life
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Perhaps I misunderstood then, because your original post infers that you intend to sell the animals abet "to family and friends." You now seem to be saying that those misfortunate animals will be part of the family and given to family and friends.

I would think the plan though more carefully if it were me.:thumbsup:

***Don't waste time sending me PMs to "explain" anything to me. If your business plan is sound, it should stand up to public scrutiny.:shrug01:
 
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Perhaps I misunderstood then, because your original post infers that you intend to sell the animals abet "to family and friends." You now seem to be saying that those misfortunate animals will be part of the family and given to family and friends.

I would think the plan though more carefully if it were me.:thumbsup:

***Don't waste time sending me PMs to "explain" anything to me. If your business plan is sound, it should stand up to public scrutiny.:shrug01:
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Also...your other thread needs to be taken into consideration in order to shed more light on the subject.... http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180611
 
i will keep that in mind i did not mean to infer that. i would edit the post but i dont think there is a way, ive checked all i can say is that once i buy them they will not be sold to anyone else. they may be given to family members under my watchful eye as pets but if they intend to get rid of the animal or breed it that animal will go back to no one other than myself.
 
Although I agree, if an animal has a non life hindering ailment, such as a kink, no reason it shouldn't be afforded the opportunity to live as a pet. I would never SELL such an animal though. Might give them away to a few trusted people. Severity of said ailments should be considered too.

But there in lies the problem. Trust. How can you guarantee that they won't be bred by whoever obtains the animal. It would have to be a mighty trusted person, family, close friend or something. "Selling" them as pets though, you won't be able to control what happens after the animal is housed with it's new "owner".

I'd rethink the idea if I was you though. Another aspect you aren't thinking of is, buy purchasing disfigured animals, you somewhat encourage people to offer them up for sale. In our industry, that's not looked upon as a favorable action.
 
i undertand that but if its offered privatly its not for anyone to judge. its one thing to openly post a disfigured animal for all to see, which would put a bad rep on that person. posting it outword is for the seller to decide but they need to be sure it is posted so everyone knows its discounted because of that defect or that at least they arnt shocked to find they bought a defective snake that was claimed perfect. as for the breeding you can never know who will do that. some people could care less but others care and i understand why they would care. just as info if an animal has a minor kink that does not mean the babies would have issues. there are many facters that cause defects like temp during incubation. i would not breed them because i do not want to take chances and i dont want that bad rep as a breeder of deformities, but i take the chances of buying them because not many people care to even let them live as pets. they deserve a happy life if there deformity is not life threatening.
 
Elizabeth Minton said:
i undertand that but if its offered privatly its not for anyone to judge.
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True, just like when you SELL it, it's no longer owned by you, and you have no say so as to what the new owners do, to include returning it to you if they decide to part with it later. Rehoming it with certain conditions is a little different, but still don't guarantee you anything.

Anyway, I read nothing but sound advice given to you here. You seem to have your own ideas though, so go for what you know. :thumbsup:
 
i am listening and taking in advice but i also feel i am doing some good. i do not see buying them from people as a disgrace. now if i bought them only to resell them that is disgraceful on my part and definantly worth bad rep. but buying them intending to give them a good perminant home is not disgraceful. i know it is hard to trust buyers even the best ones because you never can really know their plans, but you have to keep in mind that whole you put it up for sale and once sold you have no say in what the owners will actually do. it happens all the time and the seller risks that every time they sell an animal. there is not much that can be done to stop those things. one reason i want to buy cripples and give them a good home... i trust myself at least. all i can say is that, i cant make you guys fully trust me since we have never met and its the same for almost everyone who buys off here. they may be trustworthy but not 100%
 
Elizabeth Minton said:
please dont bad mouth my karma. i do not plan to breed any of these kinds of ball pythons. i am thinking from the heart and it is not illigal to care about them getting a good home. you guys do not personally know me but i have many other animals with defects or cripples. i do not breed them either. if you have something to say please pm me before badmouthing my karma i am a noble person no a money greedy person who will breed anything
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Just a tip, don't whine about receiving bad karma on the thread..it makes you look immature (we are women, take it like a man:dgrin: .... no, I wasn't the one that gave her the bad karma).

another tip: Noble, honest people don't usually go around "saying" it. Let your actions speak for themselves.:thumbsup:
 
Suppose some of those animals you buy, (surely you won't be able to visually see each one in person, and you know the world is full of scammers) say some are disfigured in such a way as to cause the animal a hindrance, or pain even? You didn't know till you saw it. You gonna resell it, or do the humane thing and euthanize it? If you euthanize it, how many times you think you can afford to buy an animal, just to have it put down humanely? Yet you encouraged the sale of said animal, by purchasing it.

So many angles this idea could go wrong.

BTW, I never mentioned anything about your heart not being in the right place. I'm more pointing out the obvious headaches you are sure to earn yourself.
 
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