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I have a male Snow Enigma Raptor Stripe with 2 snake eyes. I am looking to trade for...
-Crested, Day, Gargoyle geckos, female bearded dragon morphs, and dart frogs. I am asking for $600 in trade credit and this guy is worth every penny of it. Will also take cash orders and partial trades.

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What you are describing is a dreamsicle, and if it is one then I am amazed.
That doesn't look anything like the norm. What color is the dark color on the head and throughout the body? Also, what color are the eyes?
 
Mom was a snow enigma stripe and dad was a raptor. The stripe is bolder and longer. Both eyes are blacked out. It is a snow compared to a normal enigma raptor witch I will post as soon as they hatch.
 
Reptile Asylum said:
Mom was a snow enigma stripe and dad was a raptor. The stripe is bolder and longer. Both eyes are blacked out. It is a snow compared to a normal enigma raptor witch I will post as soon as they hatch.
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That is not

1. An Albino
2. A snow
3. or Raptor

MOM was not a Raptor per you description also Eclipse and Albino are recessive both parents need to cary it. If they did they did not all pass down. It maybe is het for a couple things you listed but it is not a what you are describing.

Blacked out eyes would be eclipse not raptor.
 
Hello people! This is Angel, I am here representing RA. I'm requesting that you all just drop it now ok? Not one of you are in our breeding facility, so how could you possibly know what the parents of this gecko are? You can't. Somebody up there mentioned they are being polite, that's good. Keep it that way because Chris is polite. We should all be cordial and polite, no reason not to be. Bottom line is: if you're not interested in the gecko move on. We're done at this point with this discussion. You're entitled to your opinion, we know what we have. Remember: you can't judge ANYTHING off of a picture. If you do, you're making mistakes. There will be no further reply on this subject unless somebidy has interest in this gecko. Thank you!

Angel
 
It's not even an albino... much less an Enigma or a Raptor. It doesn't even appear to be a Snow. You might want to do some more research on these morphs prior to claiming you have a "New Morph", because those of us that know are going to let you know that you are very mistaken.
 
When you are standing in MY facility looking at MY gecko and NOT a pic you can relatively comment. Otherwise you sort of look a little out of line. We've asked that people move on if you're not inerested. Anybody after this point looks like they are just jealous. We've had several breeders look at this gecko, not just us, and we're statisfied with what we've determined. Please don't presume to tell us what we know. You don't necessarily know either. At least we've taken the time to research the gecko, and have it looked at by 5 other breeders. It's a picture on the net you're looking at. Just let it go. We have what we have, and you can't deal with it. That's the end of it. We don't appreciate you or anybody else posting that we don't know what we're doing. That's slander...
 
No one is jealous of that gecko. We are simply just trying to let you know that you have your facts wrong. And if you were to sell it and it doesn't prove out, you're in for the bad end of a BOI thread. We are trying to help you, not be jealous. The gecko in my signature picture is a snow tremper enigma het for raptor. That is ALMOST what you are describing as what you have for sale, (lacking only the red eyes/eclipse gene) which is not a new morph at all. It's called a dreamsicle. We are just trying to help, but I guess that was the wrong choice to make. It looks like you are new to fauna, but this is what we do. We help each other out. If we were jealous, we'd say so.
 
how can a leo with black be albino?

Is this a new albino that is the exact opposite of the definition of an albino? in every sense?
 
For a basis of comparison, here is an enigma raptor that I hatched last year (that's 50% of the gecko traits you're saying your gecko has). Albino enigmas tend to be so bright they almost glow in the dark. Just ask Kelli, she was the one who discovered the enigma trait. Honestly, if I posted something that was incorrect and Kelli told me so, to me it's the same as if Ron Tremper told me my identification was wrong and I'd change my opinion immediately!

Note the complete lack of black. All black on an albino enigma turns up nearly blood red. Also note the red eyes.

There is no need to get defensive. Admit your mistake, and move on. Using fancy words does not mean you're correct, because you're not. I can understand calling it a stripe, although that will undoubtedly continue to fade as it gets older. A snow? From the photo it looks unlikely, and probably not a codominant Mack snow. A non-albino raptor (aka an eclipse)? I'd buy that, but I want to see eye pictures.

Here's my nova. Please, just fix the ad. There would be no hard feelings or negative karma if you simply admitted your mistake. It's the easiest and least painful solution, even if you have to swallow your pride.
NOT FOR SALE AND NOT A GECKO BEING SOLD BY THE ORIGINAL POSTER!!
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Reptile Asylum said:
When you are standing in MY facility looking at MY gecko and NOT a pic you can relatively comment. Otherwise you sort of look a little out of line. We've asked that people move on if you're not inerested. Anybody after this point looks like they are just jealous. We've had several breeders look at this gecko, not just us, and we're statisfied with what we've determined. Please don't presume to tell us what we know. You don't necessarily know either. At least we've taken the time to research the gecko, and have it looked at by 5 other breeders. It's a picture on the net you're looking at. Just let it go. We have what we have, and you can't deal with it. That's the end of it. We don't appreciate you or anybody else posting that we don't know what we're doing. That's slander...
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By stating that the gecko had black eyes you are telling us it is not an albino. No picture is needed for that. These people are trying to help you, if you want to disregard their comments and continue to sell the gecko as you have claimed, you will be hurting your own business. That gecko is not a new morph, not a snow and not an albino. Please reevalute and relist your gecko. If you choose not to then at least the readers of this ad will be protected against a bad purchase.
 
KelliH said:
It's not even an albino... much less an Enigma or a Raptor. It doesn't even appear to be a Snow. You might want to do some more research on these morphs prior to claiming you have a "New Morph", because those of us that know are going to let you know that you are very mistaken.
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the gecko geek said:
No one is jealous of that gecko. We are simply just trying to let you know that you have your facts wrong. And if you were to sell it and it doesn't prove out, you're in for the bad end of a BOI thread. We are trying to help you, not be jealous. The gecko in my signature picture is a snow tremper enigma het for raptor. That is ALMOST what you are describing as what you have for sale, (lacking only the red eyes/eclipse gene) which is not a new morph at all. It's called a dreamsicle. We are just trying to help, but I guess that was the wrong choice to make. It looks like you are new to fauna, but this is what we do. We help each other out. If we were jealous, we'd say so.
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OhioGecko said:
By stating that the gecko had black eyes you are telling us it is not an albino. No picture is needed for that. These people are trying to help you, if you want to disregard their comments and continue to sell the gecko as you have claimed, you will be hurting your own business. That gecko is not a new morph, not a snow and not an albino. Please reevalute and relist your gecko. If you choose not to then at least the readers of this ad will be protected against a bad purchase.
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I agree with all of these posts. I'm sorry, but that gecko is not what you are calling it. It is definitely not an albino and definitely not an enigma. Kelli is one of the first people to work with enimgas, so she knows what she's talking about. We are all trying to be helpful and you're being rude. I agree with Thad. The readers will now know and hopefully will not purchase it as a new morph/albino.
 
Look nobody EVER asked for your help or advice. Somebody said that's what you do here. So far all I see is you all attacking and major slander. You have no right to post the facebook link and make that slanderous comment. It's now been screen shot and saved for facebook admins and your first set of comments as well as this has been reported to Fauna. This seller NEVER bothered anybody here on Fauna. It is the sole responsibility of the purcahser to determine what they are buying. Okay? Nobody is trying to scam or misrepresent. Five reputable, long term breeders have handled this gecko IN PERSON and one breeder on line. So six people have backed us. We don't care what your opinion is. All we asked was that you back off, and you won't let it go. What it shows is that you are seriously jealous of what a 15 year old breeder has that you don't! Admit it and move on. What I have advised him to do is remove the ad, there is no correction because it is exactly what he said it is, sorry, you're wrong. So, he is removing the ad today. Now you all can go be relieved that your geckos will sell and his won't be in your way. As a Paralegal for the State Of Indiana I am here to advise my client that this is best. I am also advising that the posting of facebook links and the slander associated with it stop. This report is being filed with Fauna Classified Admins as well as R A's legal assistance. Yes, he's young but we have our act togther.
Thank you, we appreciate your cooperation. If you truly are the breeders and professionals that you say you are, this will stop.
 
It's only slander if its not true.
More over, facebook is a public domain, any person can post any link anytime they want. If you don't want the link posted delete the facebook account.
 
Reptile Asylum said:
Look nobody EVER asked for your help or advice. Somebody said that's what you do here. So far all I see is you all attacking and major slander. You have no right to post the facebook link and make that slanderous comment. It's now been screen shot and saved for facebook admins and your first set of comments as well as this has been reported to Fauna. This seller NEVER bothered anybody here on Fauna. It is the sole responsibility of the purcahser to determine what they are buying. Okay? Nobody is trying to scam or misrepresent. Five reputable, long term breeders have handled this gecko IN PERSON and one breeder on line. So six people have backed us. We don't care what your opinion is. All we asked was that you back off, and you won't let it go. What it shows is that you are seriously jealous of what a 15 year old breeder has that you don't! Admit it and move on. What I have advised him to do is remove the ad, there is no correction because it is exactly what he said it is, sorry, you're wrong. So, he is removing the ad today. Now you all can go be relieved that your geckos will sell and his won't be in your way. As a Paralegal for the State Of Indiana I am here to advise my client that this is best. I am also advising that the posting of facebook links and the slander associated with it stop. This report is being filed with Fauna Classified Admins as well as R A's legal assistance. Yes, he's young but we have our act togther.
Thank you, we appreciate your cooperation. If you truly are the breeders and professionals that you say you are, this will stop.
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As a Paralegal for the State Of Indiana you should know its libel not slander. :rofl:Also the truth is not libel or slander.
 
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