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Carolina Reptile Exchange, selling Pieds

David,

Please do a search by HCE*, Eisenman, and Digital Reptiles. There is plenty of information there to help you decide.

Regards,
 
I do not see anywhere....

in my post where I said I was even considering buying them. I simply put HCE and Carolina Reptile Exchange togather, for those who were not aware of it.


I also think it is "interesting" at best to see that all the possible het pieds they have, have the genetic marker everyone is talking about. Interesting, because I have 1.1 100% hets, straight from a top name, and NIETHER have the marking. So for every one of their possibles to have it makes me wonder...
 
David,

I thought you were actually looking into buying some. It's going to be a tough sell for Carolina Reptile Exchange, particularly reading their current ad, and what Harry said a few months ago in one of his last posts in here:

Current ad by Caroline Reptile Exchange:

NEED CASH ,LOOKING AT ALL SERIOUS OFFERS
as alot of you know Harry at H.C.E. has not been in the best of health lately,
we are in the process of buying alot(not all)his breeders.
he has alot of holdbacks as well,as I sort thru,I will post breeders,and holdbacks
as allways,genetics will be guarenteed for the life of the animal,both by Harry ,and my storea double guarentee!
live arrival plus 10 days,
paypal is my favorite,but money orders SENT OVERNIGHT ok
you can call us with Questions,his son will be helping me with the transition,and this years breeding,(803)548-8BOA
here is whats currently available
all prices include shipping !

.4 66% het pieds
600-800 grams (all show het genetic marker)
.2 10/17/01
.1 12/03/01
.1 02/08/01
$1100 ea

.2 100% het pied
1100 grams 5/11/01
825 grams 5/11/01
$3000 on the big one(shes in with our male now)
$2400 on the smaller
take both $4000
.4 100% het pieds
aprox 125-150 grams
.2 6/01/03
.2 7/07/03
$1400 ea or $4000 for all 4
these will be in the store this weekend
for monday shipping overnight(included)
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Harry's post a while ago:

our original name was digital reptiles,that partner and I split in sept 02,he kept the name ,I became HCE
my SON,Bruce,helped with phone calls and shipping till jan 03,he is now on his own.
he does have some of my animals.Bruce is no longer associated with me in any way
our original hets were purchased localy from a broker known as Rattley reptiles.
we have since purchased 4 pieds,ands 3 other hets
we produced 3 cluches of 66s last year ,from our 1.4 hets,resulting in 4 pieds,as well as 1 cluch of 100%s from our male visual to a normal female(late in the year)
this year we produced the same so far exept on 2 pieds,and 2 cluches of pied to pied
WE WILL NOT REPOND TO ENTRAPMENT EMAILS,WHICH ARE ONES WE FIND BEING 2 FACED AND RUNNING TO THE BOI WITH WHATEVER IS SAID
it is my policy to only post and give pictures of animals which have eaten
we will not ship to ANYONE,regardless of who they think they are,without payment!
we cover genetics for life,
these statments do NOT hold true for either of my 2 sons who are currently in the business
why is my sons record having bearing on me?
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Harry clearly stated a while ago that he could not guarantee for life the genetics of the animals either of his sons were selling.

Regards.
 
You bring up another interesting point...

one that I missed, about his son. I feel sorry for anyone who spent big bucks on animals that may not prove out. Has anyone proved out any hets purchased from HCE or known affiliates?
 
David,

His baby hetero for pieds started to show up in the market early this year. It would be fair to say they are not going to prove out probably until 2005. Even if those who bought heteros don't get pieds in their first clutch, they should try again the following year (odds!). So we won't know the outcome probably until 2006. Hopefully everything will go fine for those that bought the heteros as there is a lot of time and money invested.

Regards.
 
I was actually thinking of buying some hets too. But you know the saying: If it sounds to good to be true it probably is.
I can't remember where I say it, but I clearly recall seeing somewhere where it said to basically stay away from these guys. Their prices are "TOO GOOD FOR ME" Maybe someone will come on here with more info.
Thanks,
 
I was actually thinking of buying some hets too. But you know the saying: If it sounds to good to be true it probably is.
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Those were my thoughts, I spent more money on less animals but know for sure the genetics. I haven't heard anything bad about either and my thoughts were they are on the up and up but I see no reason to risk it so I went with people I knew.
 
That's my theory. Buy from a reputable person, who has references or just someone whom you can trust, and all should be alright. But the prices on their hets were just too low. Low enough to throw up a red flag.
 
It is not just the prices...

It looked as though he had a receipt from a year when he was Digital Reptiles, but the receipt had his new name HCE on it, or something like that. It all just looked "suspect" at best.
 
Very interesting......
they contacted me and bought 10 or 15 baby feeder ball pythons last year. I got to talking with them and they said they had albino labyrinths, albino greens, albino retics due to hatch any day.
They gave me some prices and I said Ill take alot of it since the prices were so good.
Then I met them at a north or south carolina show and he bought 10 or 20 female yearling balls from me. I asked him about the retics and stuff and he said they should be hatching but hed have to ask his father.
I called, and called, and called, gettingthe same excuse of that they hatched but he doesnt know what he has since his dad was flying around in a chrater plane since he pilots them.
I was very serious and flahing money around but then they wouldnt return calls or email me back.
I thought it was all a hoax as he had lined up about a few hundred different burm eggs, retic eggs, albino boas, pieds, etc...
I never saw a single animal or was offered any and I was willing to pay him cash and reinforced it over and over.
I guess eh didnt want to sell to me or he never had the stuff.
I made some inquires and some people said he ripped them off, other said he is full of it...they jsut own a store, and others said he has SOME of teh stuff, not all, etc. so I decided to delete them from my one number dial list.
If Harry(or Bruce who I always TALKED TO) have what you said you had, please let me know as I am still willing to take allot of it but now only on COD.
MikeB
M n R-Reptiles
786-853-7065
 
Very interesting......
they contacted me and bought 10 or 15 baby feeder ball pythons last year.
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Mike,

Do you happen to remember if they were all females? Was the sex of the lot an issue at all?

Thanks.
 
The ball python babies if I recall were all supposed to be in pairs. I think it was 5.5
The bigger snakes he picked up at a show were all females.
They were probably 200-400grams each, the eyar befores babies.
 
I'm really surprised that they are offering for sale 18 ball pythons (heteros and possibles for pied), all of them females (!!??). Where are the males? Maybe they sold all of them or maybe they just got lucky and produced all females. Everything is possible, although the normal ratio should be close to 50%, right? Most other breeders are hesitant to sell lone females (which are more expensive by the way), and they usually want to sell them together with a male.

Regards.
 
Well, I will say I called and asked about 1.3 het pieds they had. I asked for a price on all 4 and was told $3,000! If I would have been told $5,000 I might have given it some thought but at $3,000 it was just tooooo good to be true. Greed will get you each and every time so as I said I went with somebody else.

I will say that when I asked if they all had the visual white on the belly I was told they all did but I didn't see them to back this up.

Fact is, we have no reason to doubt the animals are what they're selling them as but I would for sure proceed with caution!
 
It looked as though he had a receipt from a year when he was Digital Reptiles, but the receipt had his new name HCE on it, or something like that. It all just looked "suspect" at best.
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Not only that...the Receipt showed the people who "supposedly" gave it out did not know how to spell their own name.

Also In Last part of May or early part of June......
He was supposed to have some piebalds hatch out.

NO ONE has seen pics.

The only pics seen are his adult and the baby he bought from someone else.
 
Just to keep everyone updated, I have one of those female "het pieds" from earlier this year that is about 920 grams. I am hoping to try her out with a male het later this year( or early next). I will keep you posted. I was also interested to see that now all his hets have the markings. When I asked him about this earlier this year he said he had never heard of that. My three did not. Now that I find out HCE is convienently getting rid of most of his stock, I am not very optimistic. Craig Kade
 
Hi Craig,

Good to hear you are close to prove her out. Please keep us posted.

Good luck :)
 
Craig,
I hope that female you bought isn't one of the ones I sold them! Because if it is, it is 100% captive hatched started NORMAL female when I sold it to him. Het for nothing. I hope you good luck though and may you get some pieds!
 
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