cguarino30
Member
I can not be sure one way or the other if this person was attempting to scam me, or if he was simply an unreasonable and emotionally unstable person, but either way, I had an absolutely awful experience as the first person he dealt with on Faunaclassifieds. I feel it is my duty to the forum to alert any prospective correspondents of the way in which he did business. The following is a list of proven facts regarding the trade that we did on August 23rd, 2012. Any of these facts can be verified in the BG thread that he opened up on me located here:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340987
I especially implore everyone to read the chain of text messages located on my post at 12:36 am on August 24th, as I feel that does more than anything else to show the manner in which Dan does business.
Here is a summary of the FACTS (no opinions or perceptions, just the known, proven facts) All of these facts can be verified within the above-linked thread
1) The agreement that we both came to was that I would trade 3 PVC racks, made by Boamaster, in used but working condition, complete with heat, and he would trade a used Eotech 512 in like new condition. The trade was originally to go down in a town in NJ, and later renegotiated to be delivered to Dan's home, which was 2 hours further away, and in exchange for the delivery, I was to receive $50 in cash to cover gas.
2) Trade deal goes down on Thursday, August 23 at 3:30 pm, and when I leave, both parties admit to being satisfied
3) 10 minutes after I leave, Dan claims that parts are missing and demands $30 in cash
4) I say I will go home and look for the missing parts, but that I refuse to give back the money as it was agreed as the charge for delivery, not as part of the trade.
5) Dan responds with hostility and aggression, including threats of the BOI, threats to come "discuss" it with me "in person" but also Dan agrees to wait no less than three times between bouts of hostility.
6) Finally, Dan says he will wait until Monday.
7) Dan opens a BG thread on me within 2 HOURS of having said he would wait 3 days.
8) Dan misrepresents communications that we had, and in addition to expressing dissatisfaction with the trade, also makes accusations that he can not back up including:
-That I lied about testing the racks
-That I intentionally sabotaged the racks (reasons never given as to why I would do this)
-That I mistreat my animals
-That I'm lying when I say I will look for the components when I get home
-That I am lazy
9) Throughout the thread, many people agree about the following:
-that Dan should have checked the racks more thoroughly in my presence
-that Dan should have waited until I got home and looked for the parts to start a BOI thread
-that the $50 cash was for the delivery, and therefore was not a reasonable demand
-that once new parts were procured, that Dan no longer had reason for complaint
10) Furthermore, another member of the forum comes forward and claims to have done $10,000+ worth of business with me over a period of years with no complaints
11) The day after the trade, I ask a local friend for help and he agrees to give me the missing components so that I can send them to Dan.
12) At 12:24 (time proven by receipt picture available on page 4 of this thread) I ship these parts to Dan at my own cost.
13) At 2:23 I post on this thread that I have procured replacement parts (2 days ahead of schedule) and that I have shipped them to Dan at my own expense.
14) At 3:23 Dan says he no longer wants the missing parts and that I can keep them
15) At this point, Dan no longer mentions the missing parts and begins to make complaints about the condition of the racks. He mentions that they are dirty and melted, and renews his attacks on my character
16) Saturday night, I accuse Dan of trying to scam me out of extra cash for reasons that are outlined in my post from August 25 at 9:05 pm.
17) Dan's final response is to claim he told me that he no longer wanted the parts BEFORE I obtained and sent them (proven incorrect by the timestamps on the thread) and says he wants to be "moving on"
Sunday Morning: When I arrive home, I look in my garage for the missing components and can not find them.
I will not put forth any opinions or make any claims in this post. I am simply stating the facts. Everything that I have said in this post can be referenced to a part of this thread. I invite any party interested in doing business with me to contact me (or by his generous offer, TJ, the gentleman who came forward to claim a good business relationship with me) and ask any questions they would like, and invite anyone reading this thread to draw their own conclusions about my character and about the way I do business.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340987
I especially implore everyone to read the chain of text messages located on my post at 12:36 am on August 24th, as I feel that does more than anything else to show the manner in which Dan does business.
Here is a summary of the FACTS (no opinions or perceptions, just the known, proven facts) All of these facts can be verified within the above-linked thread
1) The agreement that we both came to was that I would trade 3 PVC racks, made by Boamaster, in used but working condition, complete with heat, and he would trade a used Eotech 512 in like new condition. The trade was originally to go down in a town in NJ, and later renegotiated to be delivered to Dan's home, which was 2 hours further away, and in exchange for the delivery, I was to receive $50 in cash to cover gas.
2) Trade deal goes down on Thursday, August 23 at 3:30 pm, and when I leave, both parties admit to being satisfied
3) 10 minutes after I leave, Dan claims that parts are missing and demands $30 in cash
4) I say I will go home and look for the missing parts, but that I refuse to give back the money as it was agreed as the charge for delivery, not as part of the trade.
5) Dan responds with hostility and aggression, including threats of the BOI, threats to come "discuss" it with me "in person" but also Dan agrees to wait no less than three times between bouts of hostility.
6) Finally, Dan says he will wait until Monday.
7) Dan opens a BG thread on me within 2 HOURS of having said he would wait 3 days.
8) Dan misrepresents communications that we had, and in addition to expressing dissatisfaction with the trade, also makes accusations that he can not back up including:
-That I lied about testing the racks
-That I intentionally sabotaged the racks (reasons never given as to why I would do this)
-That I mistreat my animals
-That I'm lying when I say I will look for the components when I get home
-That I am lazy
9) Throughout the thread, many people agree about the following:
-that Dan should have checked the racks more thoroughly in my presence
-that Dan should have waited until I got home and looked for the parts to start a BOI thread
-that the $50 cash was for the delivery, and therefore was not a reasonable demand
-that once new parts were procured, that Dan no longer had reason for complaint
10) Furthermore, another member of the forum comes forward and claims to have done $10,000+ worth of business with me over a period of years with no complaints
11) The day after the trade, I ask a local friend for help and he agrees to give me the missing components so that I can send them to Dan.
12) At 12:24 (time proven by receipt picture available on page 4 of this thread) I ship these parts to Dan at my own cost.
13) At 2:23 I post on this thread that I have procured replacement parts (2 days ahead of schedule) and that I have shipped them to Dan at my own expense.
14) At 3:23 Dan says he no longer wants the missing parts and that I can keep them
15) At this point, Dan no longer mentions the missing parts and begins to make complaints about the condition of the racks. He mentions that they are dirty and melted, and renews his attacks on my character
16) Saturday night, I accuse Dan of trying to scam me out of extra cash for reasons that are outlined in my post from August 25 at 9:05 pm.
17) Dan's final response is to claim he told me that he no longer wanted the parts BEFORE I obtained and sent them (proven incorrect by the timestamps on the thread) and says he wants to be "moving on"
Sunday Morning: When I arrive home, I look in my garage for the missing components and can not find them.
I will not put forth any opinions or make any claims in this post. I am simply stating the facts. Everything that I have said in this post can be referenced to a part of this thread. I invite any party interested in doing business with me to contact me (or by his generous offer, TJ, the gentleman who came forward to claim a good business relationship with me) and ask any questions they would like, and invite anyone reading this thread to draw their own conclusions about my character and about the way I do business.