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Reptile Addicts - INQUIRY

I do know of them and delt with them once or twice. I really feel with there reptiles oyu should only buy if you are buying them after you check them out. They have a lot of pet stores in my area and few can say they are greatly pleased. But they do have some nice animals if you there or to a show and hand pick them. I hoped that helped . shawn
 
I've seen them at shows and purchased animals from them, they seem knowledgeable. They seem to carry a lot of imported animals that you of course have to be careful with, and would be best to personally select if possible.....
 
I know this is an old thread but I feel the need to comment. Reptile Addicts Is owned by Fred And John Kick ( The Kick brothers ) of Lockport NY. They have only one store. They breed 90% of the animals for sale at their shop. They are by far one of the biggest Ball python breeders I know of on the east coast, producing over 1000 ball pythons each year. I have purchased many reptiles from them and have never had any problems at all....
 
U1SICKBOY said:
They breed 90% of the animals for sale at their shop. They are by far one of the biggest Ball python breeders I know of on the east coast, producing over 1000 ball pythons each year. ....
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I'm not saying anything negative or positive against this business, just addressing the statement you made.
Looking at their current price list (if it is current), It appears the other way around with 10% being CBB.
Example
Baby Ball Pythons (males) $ 18.00
Small Female Ball Pythons $ 30.00
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Not even going to touch the Biggest Breeder part.
 
To my knowledge their site has not been updated in a long time...due to the amount of ball pythons they produce those prices are not far off....a few months back I was listing cbb 05 females for $45 each on Kingsnake for them. Most of their Balls are morphs. The normals that they sell are just the results of breeding a co-dom to a normal. Alan Bosch also sells a lot of Reptile Addicts reptiles on his site.
 
As far as being one of the biggest breeders I can't name any that produce more reptiles each year than Reptile Addicts. Sure there are breeders that have more valuable reptiles, but not many if any produce the #'s they do!! One look at their facility and you'll know what I'm talking about.
 
We did end up buying a pair of snow/albino paradox sand boas from them, and we were extremely happy with them. They were among the nicest we had ever seen.
 
Dennis, you are correct. If this is the same Reptile Addicts that sets up at every Hamburg PA show, in the left hand back corner, they do carry mostly Wild Caught animals. I have never seen them display any significant # of Ball Pythons except for Farm raised and imported. Maybe U1sickboy does not realize that CB Balls can mean that they were Captive Born in Africa from eggs collected from WC females then imported, as most inexpensive normals are.

Perhaps they have another division that does Ball Morphs. But at any rate like I stated before, if you are looking for Wild Caught and can hand pick from what they have, they seem as good or better than anyone else. Ordering sight unseen might be a different story. As far as buying captive bred from them, I personally would be cautious because with all the WC animals passing through their facility there may be a chance of cross contamination unless strict hygiene and quarantine measures are in place to keep CB and WC seperated.
 
U1SICKBOY said:
I know this is an old thread but I feel the need to comment. Reptile Addicts Is owned by Fred And John Kick ( The Kick brothers ) of Lockport NY. They have only one store. They breed 90% of the animals for sale at their shop. They are by far one of the biggest Ball python breeders I know of on the east coast, producing over 1000 ball pythons each year. I have purchased many reptiles from them and have never had any problems at all....
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You stated in this thread that you are a customer of theirs and in the other thread you just brought up to the top of the BOI you state.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68264
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Pets Plus is a retail pet shop, Reptile Addicts is the wholesale reptile shop upstairs. John and Fred Kick are the owners. I'm not saying your lying but these guys sell high end reptiles at most of the shows. I have gone to several shows with them and never once did we display any corns, are you sure you purchased from them?
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When you use words like "never once did we display any corns" may suggest you are more than a customer.
Some may assume a working relationship. You wouldn't want anyone to draw the wrong conclusions here.
 
Jason (aka: you one sick boy)

Jason,
I know Fred well, and have only good things to say about him. What caught my eye was the appearance of two old threads at the top of the BOI concerning the same subject. Resurrected by you, this seems to be your reasoning:
I know this is an old thread but I feel the need to comment.
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Could you explain this need to me? In both cases the thread was started by someone who had a concern, one not so good and one seeking information, respectively one and two years ago. If what you had to say was relevent, OK, but I think that the thread starters were not sitting at home wondering when someone was finally going to address their concerns, and might have been in the "fait accompli" category, don't you think? The normal means of utilizing the BOI to be laudatory to someone is to make a "good guy" post, and hope that the tone of the thread stays good. There were already posts supportive of Reptile Addicts in both threads. But to resurrect these threads, expecially the one involving the ill snake ..... again brings me back to my original querie, which is What were you thinking, what's the "need", etc? And falling back once again on the "Rule of unintended consequences", which occurs often in the BOI, the issue now seems to be that you may not have been forthcoming in revealing your relationship with them, and consequently people are questioning the objectivity of your original motives. I can't say as I would view the decision to dig up these threads as a favor to Reptile Addicts. Its that "need" thing I guess. Say "Hey" to Fred for me.
 
I see what your saying. I just did a search on them to see if anything came up, something anyone could do if interested in making a purchase from them. Fred is a family friend and has been for over 15 years, he and his brother John have taken me under their wing and have taught me almost everything I know. The business they run is huge and does not even depend on the internet for sales. Their web site has not been updated in a long time......I will tell Fred you said hello.
 
Jason,
I am sure that you meant well. I am also confident that you have had a wonderful 15 year experience working with them and learning from them. I think that I can safely say that the BOI expects anyone posting here, unless its a most neutral of posts, to be complete in identifying the nature of their affiliation, whether it be as a buyer, seller, friend, employee, or other associate of the entity they are speaking of. I only know Fred, and he is a very stand-up guy. Now, where's the money he owes me? LOL !!
 
Jason, The reason they do not need internet sales is because of shows and the fact that they piggy back with a fish dealer in New york, so they wholesale to pretty much all of the pet shops in new york area.
I still do not see the reason you brought all this up again, and I will have to say along with everyone else that your statement about 90% captive bred is a bit naive on your part. I doubt that john or fred would enjoy you coming on here and misrepresenting their business, albeit with good intentions.
TOM
 
I have informed Fred of this post today. As far as cb or wc animals he confirmed with me that none of his ball pythons are wc or cb. I don't think he would risk importing/keeping animals that could threaten his ball collection. He did say that he and another business owner do sell fish to other pet shops but, no reptiles at this time. Fred also said that Jim Flaherty is a great guy and that he remembers Kelli Hammack and the snakes she bought from him but, he has no idea who Tom Snyder or Zoological Supply are. While I do have a working relationship with them, most of my reptiles do come from them which also makes me a customer. The reason I brought this old thread back up was to clear up the false statements in post # 2,and 3.
 
well if they are'nt wild caught or captive bred what are they... I really just don't see any point in this thread being resurrected, I am sure fred would have known me if you you would have told him tom from jungle critters in corning...I used to by for him for a few years there...although that is of no importance.
My point on this thread is basically, that there was no reason to bring these threads up and get them more exposure for no reason.
TOM
 
Again, I know you meant well Jason, and that even though the posts were almost two years old, you wanted to set the record straight as you saw it. It is a situation of weighing "better late than never" vs. "let sleeping dogs lie". If it were a current thread, then I would concur with you getting all the opinions in you wanted too. I also would recommend that, in the future, only resurrect those threads where you agree with the initial concern of the thread starter, as the other thread you brought back to life is a negative one, and that's the first thing people see. As to CB or WC, I also think that you meant "not WC" and "not CB in Africa and then imported". Trust in Fred and his brother too. They have a long ... very long .... history of doing shows up and down the east coast, and have interacted with tens of thousands of people. While not every transaction and customer will live happily-ever-after, they are good guys, and not by accident.
 
Just a heads up last week i purchased 2 adult females Ball Pythons from Alan Bosch money paypaled to [email protected]. All emails where from Alan Bosh to me....When the snakes arrived they where shipped from Reptile Addicts Lockport NY. Later that day i got a call to see if the snakes made it ok and they did and was asked if i need more he could help me out as he is short on males to breed them with. Alan was selling them for 25 cents a gram. So i payed for a 1358g and 1334g when i got them they where 1295g and 1250g Anyway if they are this BIG breeder on the east cost why would Alan be selling there snakes for them?????? Just makes you wonder why they are not using there own name to sell them. Now Alan has changed his add to read the snakes are from his good friend.
 
Hey Craig,
Let me get in an opinion here, and that is all that it is. My background is that I do regular business with Reptile Addicts, and have met Fred in the flesh on several occasions through the years, and that I have kbnown Alan since I was about 12 years old, as we grew up together chasing snakes north of Baltimore MD, and still see each other a couple of times per year. As to any hint of an integrity issue, if there is one, I would say that you may have a claim on the weight issues, at $0.25 per pound, if it bothers you. But before you post it here, I think you have a strong obligation to have tried to reconcile it with Alan. If you have, and are still unsatisfied, then fine. If you haven't, I will have to characterize your mentioning it here as a "cheap shot".
As mentioned in other posts and threads, Reptile Addicts is primarily a vendor at shows and supplier via non-internet means. The obvious assumption is that Alan is doing some marketing for them, and although not earlier disclosed, he is now doing so. This may be a problem for you, the buyer, and I do not question your right to be concerned, or possibly want a refund if you feel that you were materially misled. Again, if that is the case, did you have a material concern about about it, and did you raise it with Alan? My personal experience with both entities is that they are quality people in the business, and would very likely have addressed your concerns in a fair and equitable way. So, on the two counts of concern, did you address them with the vendor(s)?
 
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