Robert Sloan of Dallas, TX

I am looking for information detailing any business you have had with Robert Sloan of Dallas, TX. He appears to be into various snakes species.

Anonymous replied to my ad for a male PH Patternless atrox

I usually try to be pretty nice to everyone - even people who rub me the wrong way but this guy really pi$$ed me off - I'd like to hear more about your experience Keith. Here is how the conversation went -

I'm about to put up for sale/trade seven adult patternless C. atrox. I have the only known adult males in captivity. Any interest ?

Yes - please send me more details & pix. What is your name? Thank you...
Michael

I will have pics this week sometime and will send them ASAP.

I will sell lone males for $3,500 - lone fems @ $1,500 and pairs that have probably already bred @ $5,000. These pairs should produce this year. I have not seen them actually hooked up, but I cool them together and there has been a great deal of activity thus far; a lot of combat, jerking and paralelling. I will also consider trades for comparable animals. Let me know and I'll get you pics

Bob

Bob,
Can you give me more info. on the history of these animals? How did the bloodline originate? Did you start the bloodline? Did you produce the Patternless adults that are available? Do you have a website or can you provide more info. on yourself - where are you located, etc.? Thanx - I am seriously interested.....
Michael

Michael

The original patternless I had were wild caught by a guy who just liked to collect rattlers. He made belts, hatbands and wallets out of the hides and ate the meat. He is dead now, but he showed me the four den areas where they came from. The 7.5 I have now I collected myself in these den areas. The 2.4 I'm selling were collected as small sub adults and raised by me. I bred my older specimens one time and all my females dropped about 100 babies. I could not give them away so I stopped breeding them. When they came up from cooling, I'd separate the males and the females. This year I left them together. I am located in Dallas, Texas right now, but am moving to Del Rio at the end of this month. I have a lot of people interested so if you are wanting any of these, you need to act fast. I will have pics this weekend and can send them to you. I know that I do have the only known male patternless to exist in captivity. A good breeding project would be a male albino to a female patternless. Snow atrox would be cool ! I personally do not keep a lot of hot snakes, but my partner does. Let me know and I'll get you pics ASAP. Thanks

Bob

Bob,
Please shoot me out some pix. As I said, I am interested. I'm short on cash at the moment. I did just hatch some Dbl. Het. Snow Monocled Cobras though. I don't know what kind of other HOT snakes your partner keeps but we may be able to work something out there. I have one male left. Who is your partner. No offense but I will need some type of reference as I have been digging for info. on all types of HOT mutations & have never heard of anyone having such a large group of these guys. Do you know Tim Cole in Austin, TX? Do you have any other type of colour or pattern mutations of WDBs (or other HOT snakes for that matter)? Thanx....looking forward to hearing from you....
Michael

What is your last name Bob?

Michael

First of all....I do not subject myself to a background check to sell snakes. Either you want them or you don't - makes no difference to me either way ! If you are that paranoid and you don't really have the $$$ to buy from me or the animals to trade that were in my list, for me to keep answering these e-mails with more questions each time - is a waste of my time. When and if you get ready to buy - let me know and I can provide you with whatever you need to put your mind at ease. These patternless atrox are as common as dirt. Tim Cole and several others want you to think they are rare and that they possess the only ones in captivity. That is horse$hit to say the least. At this point I'm probably just going to keep mine and breed them and flood the market with babies so all of you doubting Thomas' can basically kiss my a$$. Talk is cheap. If you want to buy you have my price - if not - don't waste any more of my time or yours with a lot of stupid questions ! Thanks for your interest.

Bob

Like I am stupid enough to send just anyone $3,500 in hopes that I am going to actually get a Patternless atrox. You won't even tell me your last name, you don't advertise, & apparently your story won't check out at all. I have been in this game way too long to be scammed by blowhard like you. If they are really available, why are they not posted.? Why are there no pictures? I'm sure I'm not the only person smart enough to not send you any money until there is some kind of proof that this is not one of the scams that a$$holes w/ attitudes try to pull all the time w/ people they actually believe are that f*cking gullable. Sell your promises elsewhere. I already have Patternless & Het. Patternless females. Flood the market - I double-dog dare you....

A$$holes like you don't even have $3,500 that is why I grew tired of answering all your stupid questions. See how much those are worth if ever you breed them, cause after this year they won't be worth the price of a tanned snake hide ! I will sell mine for $100 each on kingsnake.com this fall !!! Hope you paid a LOT of $$$ for yours.

Bob,
Good luck w/ production this year. I hope you do sell them for $100/ea. - don't think I won't find a ghost buyer to buy them all up. I definately wouldn't send you any money directly. I would have someone local to you buy them up after actually seeing them. I imagine that would make your scam impossible to pull off!! So I'm sure your ad will never be posted because I know your story - you are a liar. You have twelve Patternless (which you have had for yrs.) and you don't have any pix at all to back it up - right. Go buy a disposable camera & take some pix. When you get the film developed, you can get the pix burned right onto a computer disk @ the photo lab. Load them up & post them on kingsnake. That won't happen 'cause you don't have $hit do you Bob?

I was sent an anonymous tip that may help....

I was told that Louis Porras in Sandy ,Utah or Ric Blair of Salt Lake City have both been ripped off by this guy.

Not born yesterday!

Interesting thread going here. Especially, since my name has come up.
Bob, I've never heard of you and would certainly not buy animals sight unseen from you. You're so wrong about Michael, it makes me laugh. He drove to my house in Texas from Ohio to buy some snakes from me. And you say he's not serious!
As far as patternless atrox go. I've done my homework and have PICTURES, VIDEO, WITNESSES, AND DOCUMENTATION
for my animals which have produced F3 animals. All of the patternless I have KNOWN of have not successfully bred until mine produced.
I'm not saying yours haven't, but these days you need to prove yourself due to scammers out there. Asking for proof is not unreasonable. It's forums like this that prove my point! You can ask what you want, but people are going to check up on you and want references. Since this thread started
I 've heard interesting rumours about who you are and this info would definitely keep me from trusting you.
Lots of people out there selling anmals they do not have. Can you blame people for being careful? If these animals were so common, a lot more would be in collections.

I've come to a conclusion regarding Robert Sloan, either he has one of the most impressive herp collections in the world, or he is full of sh*t. So far to my knowledge he has claimed to have large amounts on patternless atrox, a LTC pair of Fea Vipers, an Albino Gila monster, a leusistic Mexican Milk Snake, among various other herps. Yet is unable to provide pics of any of these animals, especially the ones he is selling for $5,000 a pair, the patternless atrox! He is a known rip off, lair, and is also known to harbor illegal herps! He he inquired about the sale of various protected species, which in it's self raises a red flag. Every time I meet and/or talk to someone about him, I just hear negative words come out of their mouth. If he really does have these patternless atrox, well, I just lost a bet I made with a friend. Robert, we all know more about you then you think, we know about your scams, we know that you live in an apartment in Dallas, we know your past dealings relating to herps and taxidermy. It is our business to be well informed in any animals we may be investing in.

A good breeding project would be a male albino to a female patternless. Snow atrox would be cool !

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It sure would be, but that would take an anerythristic not a patternless. If you're going to make a living selling morphs you don't really have you need to learn these things.
...or you could just do the reptile community a favor and stick your face in the atrox cage.

An Albino Gila huh?

That is a good one!! Just proves my point that you can't back up anything you say & that your word is about as worthless as a wooden nickel!! Post pix of the Albino Gila (or the group of 12 patternless atrox) & I will apologize publically. I doubt that is going to happen 'cause we have your number - the gig is up. Your name is synonymous w/ thieving liar. I wonder why it is that you won't meet Keith to sell him the pair of Patternless that he has offered to buy from you?? I guess your scam won't work under those circumstances huh?

Well, we recieved an amazing response to Bob Sloan and did a fir amount of research on him. He has ripped off many people in both the reptiles and taxidermy. Here are a few links pretaining to him (sorry webslave, too many for screen shots).

http://www.taxidermy.net/forums/BirdTaxiArticles/03/k/03B1B195C.html

http://www.taxidermy.net/forums/IndustryArticles/03/k/03EA420D1.html

http://www.taxidermy.net/forums/IndustryArticles/03/k/03B5AF053.html


There are many more, but you get the picture. We were interested in buying a pair of Patternless atrox that he claimed he had, but despite several months of e-mails and calls, no photos. We believe that he was trying to:

1.) Try to rip us off somehow.

2.) Check our facility out and steal our collection.

3.) He just could not help himself, and lies just keep pouring out of his mouth.

In his e-mails (sorry, I do not still have them) and conversations on the phone he has claimed to have the following:

Patternless atrox
Leusistic atrox
Albino atrox
Melanistic atrox
Piebald atrox
Patternless Albino atrox
Albino Gila Monster
Fea Viper
Leusistic Mexican Milksnake
and the list goes on and on!!!

Now either he has the most impressive (and unknown) collection known to man, or..........he thinks I'm an idiot to believe him. Now, we gave him the chance to sell us a pair of Patternless atrox for $5,000 for the pair, but he never sent pics and we were not going to let him just walk into our facility, let alone waste anymore time on him unless we knew he had the snakes in his hands. Despite months of beating around the bush on his part, no pics. Then, today I get this e-mail from him:


"Keith

Just a heads up..........I sold all six patternless - 4.2 and the fems
were bred to a guy in Europe. That export permit finally paid off. I got
$1,000 each ! I also have 17 newly collected this year and my original
12. All of my females are bred and the 10 wild caught are also probably
bred since they do so right out of the den !!! I look to have between
100-250 babies this year. Look for them on kingsnake.com in the fall for
$50 each ! Happy breeding AS**HOLE !"

He lies, is a known theif, and will rip you off in a heart beat. If I understand correctly he is either moving out of the state, or to Del Rio, so watch out. His your collections from him and please do not send any cash to him!!!! I wish I would have saved the past e-mails from him, but they were not worth my time and effort any longer.

So Bob, now that you are reading this, why don't you explain yourself? I mean, you did attempt to rip off several people and you seem to be successful in a couple siutations.

Bob Sloan....I cannot tell a Lie ????

Bob must get confused...without my knowledge, he used my name as a reference in his business e-mails to some individuals...these people contacted me to let me know of this use without my knowledge or permission...I would not have given my permission !! He told me he had a mind boggling collection--surely larger and with more rarities than any zoological park Herpetarium ! Recently, he tried to purchase a beautiful female alterna which I collected on Juno road....he stated that he didn't have any snakes other than alternas !!!! I have no idea what happened to the fabulous collection he had and described to Michael Joleiff , Keith Northrup and Tim Cole. I guess the collection must have disappeared ??!! I do not understand why a person of his shortcomings wishes to verbally abuse and in some cases ,threaten individuals simply because they are honest and have questions regarding a possible purchase....I personally know two of these individuals and their words are "golden", they are honest beyond reproach.... Bob, you could learn a lot from these individuals about truth and honesty.... ask your physician about Prozac ....supposedly works for depression; telling the truth....honesty.... I think must folks are born with these traits....have a wonderful and productive evening, E.Turner

It's so funny because I work at Keith's shop and Sloan was the store joke for several months, I'm just glad we got some laughs out of all of it. Man, we had some good names for him. We even made a bet about Sloan's "Patternless" and I told Keith Sloan was full of S*ht ever since he mentioned the great success he had with Fea vipers he had in his collection that came from Burma, oh and the albino gilia, the list goes on. Keith was ready to lay cash in Sloan's hand, but nope, Sloan never produced and it was looking more and more like Sloan was trying to rip off Keith's collection, like he had in the past. I just wish he tried, Keith would have killed and skinned him dry. So Sloan, do you know where you have been all these years? I surely do, Keith, Earl, Tim, and Micheal know as well. Oh, did I forget to mention I won the bet?

Oh look what I got in the e-mail box from Sloan, ohhhh, I feel honored I boiled his blood.

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....and I'll kick your b*tch a*s right out of Texas.

FA*GOT

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Hmmm...wonder if that is a threat, oh wait, it is, Sloan, do you mind calling the police for me, or do I need to do it myself?

Scarey Sloan !!!!!!!!

PLEASE check my last post for Reptile Locators--it pretty much sums up my feelings toward this "basua"----means trash in Spanish. I will bet you that ol Bob is busier then a one-legged man at a butt kicking contest when it comes to telling tales and making up lies !!!! As far as the threats, I would take any and all threats SERIOUSLY and report them immediately to the Del Rio Police Department--#830-774-2711 or the Val Verde Sheriff's Department--830--774-7513. A threat is a criminal act and should not be looked at otherwise. Who knows what is on the mind of an individual these days ????!!!! You sincerely better look into this matter in a serious vain. I have never seen anyone else make these type of terrioristic threats on the BOI. That's because most of the members are decent folks and have a much better mindset than this loudmouth who constantly berates and threatens people ------ I will bet, that wouldn't be the case in person...as everyone knows, some people are very brave when distances and/or a non-face to face situation is at hand.....it is a different story if in fact, it occurs on a personal basis. I would still alert the authorities as it is SERIOUS Have a good one----Earl Turner

Emailed threats of bodily harm

Are considered a 3rd degree felony in most (all?) states. I had some joker email me (& my wife - whata bada$$ huh?) threats & notified the proper authorities. It is a good reference in case you do ever come into contact w/ the low-life.

Legal Action...How I became involved...

When Bob Sloan said he had patternless atrox for sale. He was asked if they were from my stock since I started them in 1995. When he tried to sell them for $5000 dollars a pair people asked for proof and he was offended. My responce to this was that he needed to document and photograph the animals to convince people this wasn't a scam.

Here's my previous post on the BOI:
04/07/02

Interesting thread going here. Especially, since my name has come up.
Bob, I've never heard of you and would certainly not buy animals sight unseen from you. You're so wrong about Michael, it makes me laugh. He drove to my house in Texas from Ohio to buy some snakes from me. And you say he's not serious!
As far as patternless atrox go. I've done my homework and have PICTURES, VIDEO, WITNESSES, AND DOCUMENTATION
for my animals which have produced F3 animals. All of the patternless I have KNOWN of have not successfully bred until mine produced.
I'm not saying yours haven't, but these days you need to prove yourself due to scammers out there. Asking for proof is not unreasonable. It's forums like this that prove my point! You can ask what you want, but people are going to check up on you and want references. Since this thread started
I 've heard interesting rumours about who you are and this info would definitely keep me from trusting you.
Lots of people out there selling anmals they do not have. Can you blame people for being careful? If these animals were so common, a lot more would be in collections.

Bobs responce to this went to Keith Northrup and not me. Here is his responce and threat to me:

04/13/04

>Keith
>
>Fist of all....I never care what anyone thinks or believes. Tim Cole is
>an asshole with a big mouth and if ever we meet - I'm going to shut it
>for him !!!
>
>There is no possibility of a scam or rip-off cause I've never once asked
>anyone to send money for these snakes sight unseen and I would NEVER
>expect anyone to do so. There is no way for you to get scammed because
>I'll be standing there with 2-4 patternless atrox and you'll be holding
>the cash/trade animals. A rip-off is not possible.
>
>As for pics.....to be honest, this patternless thing is just not on the
>top of my list right now. I'll get them to you and the snakes within the
>next ten days or so.

>Part of the reason I have not made a real effort to get this stuff done
>with these patternless is due to all the negative feedback I've gotten
>about them. Tim Cole has told Earl Turner I'm a liar and do not have them
>at all. Tim Cole better hope I never cross his path cause I'll kick his
><font color=red>[**censored**]</font>ing ass all over the Great State of Texas and you can tell him I said
>so ! I hope to see him this year at one of the HOT shows so he can say it
>to my face. He won't cause like most people in this hobby - he's just
>another loud mouth chicken <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> ! Then, when I talk to you, sometimes you
>seem serious and others you seem to back track. I also went on
>kingsnake.com and contacted anyone selling rattlesnakes. I got a lot of
>replies, but no one with any money to buy so no real interest. Some
>asshole from The Snake Machine named Michael seemed to think I wanted him
>to send $5,000 sight unseen. Another obvious dumbass ! I never asked him
>for money. He talked to Tim Cole who told him I was a liar, a thief and
>did not have them and that it was a scam.
>Bob Sloan

I never told Michael that Bob was a liar since I've never spoke to or met Bob. My conversation with Earl about Bob was Earl telling me about Bob not the otherway around!

I do not take threats lightly and I understand that legal actions are in the works for Bob. Since he has taken it upon himself to threaten me I am also getting on the wagon to see this individual put back to where he came from. PRISON!

I have never met, threatened, or spoken to Bob to warrant such treatment.

read his first post

Well I guess now Sloan Is a enemy of mine.
I did not know of him until his first post.

I looks like a direct threat to me?

-read the reptile locators self launched thread.

We also know why he posted it.
we know who made him post it.
It is not hard to figure this one out.

So do you all think its a threat?
I ask the BOI JURY FOR A VERDICT!

Plain and simple, Sloan is a putz. I'm not impressed by his tales of albino gilas, nor am I impressed by his pattern of criminal behavior.

Reality

First of all, I did not threaten you BUDHOLE ! I merely invited you down for a talk with Shawn and myself. And YES, you did accuse Randy of causing the murder of Katy Harris. I read your post. You are a liar. So is Earl Turner.

Reality in Texas is this......in order for any LE dept. to file a case if you are threatened by someone, you must have FOUR documents and or recordings before they will even investigate it. You people are sure quite full of yourselves aren't you.

As for Tim Cole - me thinks the <font color=red>[**censored**]</font> in the woodpile here is one Earl Turner himslef. You see, Earl has always liked to stir up dirt on someone, but is alaways your greatest buddy on the phone and in person. It stems from pissing himself when confronted by a MAN ! Earl and several other recent untruths........gee Bob, I found an albino suboc on 277 pasted to the road and I sent Soderberg up there and he caught one ! And all this time I thought it was another collector who got the first albino suboc !??
Then....gee Bob, I caught an annulata/alterna cross in the second "S" curve and "Campbell" came and took photos of it. Actually it was Les Hughey who caught it Earl. Seems Earl takes credit for any and everything around here. And then Earl posts here that he does not know Les, but told both myself and another local that Les is a petophile and should stay away from him. Then Earl has tried to run Randy and his family off the road while collecting and even pulled a gun on them - his kids in the VAN ! That seems to be much more of a threat than anything I've said and a complaint was filed but it did not warrant any charges ! So good luck to any of you who want to try that with me.

My position is this.....I don't sell snakes any longer. I don't deal with morons like you any longer. I hunt EVERY FREAKING NIGHT and am collecting alterna like candy ! So far 18 this season, and all of mine are here for those who know me to see. Randy saw most of them yesterday. If you want to take this as a threat - so be it............If you run your mouth about me - you will be called out on it if EVER I see you down here and you will either back it up or piss yourself like Earl does. Your choice. Your best bet is to forget I exist !!! FYI

Hey Ken Harber

When are you and Earl and Bud gonna have a threesome ????

You're an A$$hole....say it to my face please !

PS

I never told anyone I had an albino gila. That rumor was started by Dwain Collings from Tuscon 20 years ago that I supposedly collected one in a cave in Mexico. Gee....Dwain was shot full of holes by AZ police in a drug raid gone bad.

The leucistic annulata was collected by a girl in Dallas. I do not have it. She does. I've seen it and got her three fems from Juno Road. I also directed her to Applegate for info, but she said he was of little or no help.

Tim....Earl was the one who told me that you called him about me having patternless atrox and said I was a liar and didn't have them. But when I talked to Earl he bad mouthed both you and Keith as two people to avoid. He also told me to Avoid Ryan in Lubbock as he is a crook too. Said Ryan showed up and dropped off a baby albino viridis that was missing its tounge. He said he's had to force feed it ever since. You see Earl Turner will be your best buddy on the phone, but bad mouth you to everyone else he talks to. It is how Earl gets his jollies. If you were that old, FAT, and ugly - I guess anything fun would do ! You may have gotten yours in '95, but I've had mine since '87. Call the Tyler Zoo - I donated an adult female to them because she kept killing every male I tried to breed her with. I know where they come from and the EXACT four dens where I can go Spring and fall to collect them. Sometimes I only find a few - sometimes I find a lot !
Most likely Earl is the real instigator of the rift between you and I.

One final thought for you moderators......you are liabel for statenments made about someone which can be proven false. I can and will file a lawsuit againt fauna classifieds for libel if I see anything further here that is false in regards to me. I can and will file suit under the "Long Arm Statutes" we have here in Texas. Say what you will, but you will either have to show up and defend it(which costs you time and money) or you fail to show up and I get a directed verdict for judgement(which costs you time and money). There are only two things in this world people understand.....take money out of thier pockets or a good butt kickin' ! Fortunately - I'm VERY capable of BOTH !