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limit this site to sells for pet. propagation. education. collecting purposes

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I find it appalling people can sell turtles on here by the "kilo" to "Hong Kong" buyers.... I THOUGHT this site ( the classifieds) were for collecting, propagation. education. pet purposes only... Though it may not be illegal, I find it appalling as do many other herpers on here that FC would allow HUNDREDS of turtles be sold to the highest bidder per kilo by weight to "Asian forgien markets"

give me a break...


those are my thoughts, this is my feedback... Webslave, moderators, you may feel differently, I know it is not a new practice, and these are hard times, it is hardening to see this however and I feel it puts shame on your site for us sympathetic herp lovers who view posts like this. again, so there is no confusion, those re my opinions, if Ive done something wrong, I am asking you kindly, in advance, please correct me before giving me a infraction.


thank you for your time.
Kevin Wrobleski
 
I agree that it's disgusting to do that.
In my opinion, anyone who does this is worthless and sickening.
Humans are disgusting though, sad really. Not all, but plenty to notice.

Here is where it gets sticky.
In a perfect world it would be fantastic to keep people from doing this here, but in reality I'm just not sure it's possible, or how Rich wants things to be.

Again, I hate that it happens. I do. It's pathetic, I'm just not sure it can be totally controlled.
 
My own feelings aside, let's look at this from a different angle.
Do you have objections to wholesale lots?
What about wholesale lots of WC animals?
What about wholesale lots of WC animals available for export?
See where I'm going with this?...if we prohibit the blatant language this seller is using; he (and others) will just change the wording and keep doing what they're doing.

Now, on a personal level, I hate seeing that crap here...just like I hate seeing ads that I'm fairly sure are scams. As a moderator, though, I can't just get rid of stuff or ban people because I don't agree with it.
 
I don't care for it either, but we've all got something we hate seeing here. :shrug01:

If Rich doesn't like it, he'll shut it down. If not, it's best for us to not open those sorts of ads/threads.
 
you are totally right, and maybe it is asking for too much, maybe Webslaves thoughts are different, but......


if a moderator can pin point and punish me for my actions and my post.


can he not read the ORIGINAL posting and decipher the ad is for turtle meat??

keywords:

"Hong Kong buyers"
"Kilos"
"300 turtles"
"Market"
"send to your "broker" on west coast"
"I have QUOTA??"


does ANYONE honesly think they take 300 snapping turtles the size of the one he has pictured, boxed them all up nicely and send them to a "broker" who sends them to HONG KONG, CHINA to be sold as pets?

something tells me they are being sent to their deaths... kept in horrible conditions, chopped/ hacked up... compressed, frozen into blocks and then.... sent to hong kong buyers...

here is the original link to anyone who cares to see what was posted.


http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397630
 
sorry for raising a stink about this... this is the feedback section, these are only thoughts... my thoughts. I apologize for getting emotional and outwardly expressing them on here. Sorry for bringing any of this up. I feel obligated to at least express myself, for the sake of these turtles, on behalf of them, I know people here eat them, I know people here run them over.... I also know and have seen countless videos, articles, pictures of how China treats their animals, anyone see the newest fad there? completly seal a baby turtle in a plastic baggie and put it on your key chain... Competely sealed... it dies in the bag from not food or oxygen.... on.... your keychain...... how about the latest news of a Chinese vessel smashing into a protected Phillipino reef with thousands of pounds of illegal patagoinan meat? or just recently 900+ chinese people were arrested for selling RAT meat and calling it MUTTON... these are recent stories, google it.... I cannot stand watching a German shepard on a chinese street corner get skinned alive and then left to die without its skin/fur.... I am sick of how other Countries desrepect and treat their animals..... I choose not to view these things now, as my emotions always get the best of me... so seeing these turtles on here being auctioned off to the highest bidder just makes me SICK.

If this was a place to buy/ sell MEAT, then I would understand... heck, I wouldnt even be on this site if that were the case.... and..... that is my point...


again, if Ive offended anyone, or someone disagrees with me, I apologize in advance... this is in regards to my feedback... about not allowing herps to be sold as meat here on the classifieds. I know I was bending the topic here but I feel it is all relavent.

Kevin
 
So, are you proposing that we interrogate all buyers and sellers to determine their intentions with the animals and the actual sources of where those animals came from? That we should play judge, jury, and executioner and therefore determine what YOU do and whether or not that this is acceptable to US? Is our opinion enough, or should we form a committee composed of a set number of people to cast votes of 'YEA' or 'NAY' for each and every post to buy or sell animals here? Where would we draw the line as to whose input is acceptable? Should PETA or SPCA also be welcome to provide input, or do we need to make an arbitrary line in the sand saying whose opinions will be acceptable to try to stack the deck towards one "favorable" outcome or another? Even then, how would we define "favorable" without being arbitrary?

Yeah, most people do not like someone selling wild caught animals, but even in a case like that, where should the line be drawn? Should only the person who catches such animals be blocked, but it's OK for the first line reseller? If not, then how far up the chain before it is OK? How far removed from being wild caught are YOUR animals? Sorry, but any decision made would be arbitrary and capricious, much less impossible to enforce without a team of investigators working full time on this.

And has it actually been stated anywhere concerning what the classifieds section is "for"? At best, I may have made statements to the effect that the classifieds sections are offered on an "as is" basis regarding your use of that section of this site. Quite frankly, I have no intention whatsoever of trying to put myself nor the mods directly in the middle of every proposed transaction that takes place here. We try to keep all transactions strictly between the buyers and the sellers and just stay the heck out of the way. YOU need to make your own decisions about such things instead of insisting that WE filter everything through a filter that YOU want created based on YOUR personal opinions.

Sorry, but most people want me to draw a line in the sand with a sharpened sword over one thing or another that they personally don't like, and to hell with whose toes will get sliced off in the process. Which is fine till someone else wants the line placed where YOUR toes are jeopardized. Suppose I were to take PETA and SPCA to heart and draw that line where they would like it to be? Are you going to be happy with that? Why should their input, then, be given any less consideration than anyone else's if we want to go down that road?

There will always be someone who doesn't like something, so if I enforce YOUR desire to have something taken away from someone else, then that leaves the door wide open for someone else to rightfully demand that I take away some privilege of yours that they don't like. It could be no other way. What it all boils down to is that this is the cost of true freedom. Other people have to bear the burden of putting up with something you like to do that they don't care for so in return you have to do the same in respect to them.
 
So I guess what you are saying is... in a sense... its ok to sell reptiles and amphibians on here for human consumption? Webslave, please forgive me for spewing this outwardly on here, again this is your feedback forum, if it is impossible, I understand, if the classifieds technically have not been defined as to what is what or who can sell what or whatever.... then.... I understand... this paticular classified is a bit unique, in the sense that it raised the alarm of three different users on here to suspect these were being SENT to Thier deaths... Webslave, if this does not concern you... then I will drop my case. I just could not help myself from replying and crying out... so sorry I am sympathetic to these animals... I have been properly punished, you have address that, in a nut shell there is nothing that can be done to monitor ads like this one beyond a certain point.

I will accept my infractions and drop my case. feel free to delete this thread I started. If I see future ads like this particular one... I will try to refrain from veiwing...

But....

if I put a ad up like this: would anyone question it?:


title: Attention Chinese Buyers in America

I have 32 chuckwallas, 50 desert iguanas, 890 desert scorpions, selling by the kilo only, the iguana in Chinese culture is said to cure diabetes.
scopions are sold live orflash frozen, these are better then viagra!
Please serious Hong Kong buyers only. Will send to your broker on west coast.


something about me being a proud American herper... just makes me not feel great about seeing stuff like that on my favorite website... lol

maybe I am sounding childish to everyone?!

sorry


BTW/ PS

I LOVE Fauna Classifieds and, wanted to personally thank you Rich AKA Webslave for creating FC's its a privledge and a honor!

seeing how its Sunday, and Mothersday, can I get a Hallelujah?
Maybe a Amen on that FC rocks
 
As much as it sucks for the turtles, especially since they sure look to be wild caught, where is that line? What about rodents or insects sold to be feeders? They're sold individually, by lot, by pound. Is the life of a turtle more valuable than that of a rat or cricket? Why?

I do get your point and I do think it's lousy. It's the line thing that gets blurry too blurry to make distinctions such as the one you refer to OP. Where is it, how big is it, how long is it and what is the duration of its existence. Once you have the line, is it permanent or temporary? That's the problem with lines. They look so simple and straight, but they're clever little buggers hiding all sorts of nasty twists and turns for those unfortunate enough to have relied on such outwardly appearing finality.
 
the iguana in Chinese culture is said to cure diabetes.

In the not-too-distant-past, there was beef and pork insulin sold in the U.S.. Do you want to know how I know this? I have a diabetic, insulin dependent child. He will die if he cannot get insulin.
If an iguana truly could cure diabetes, are you saying that you feel that it would not be appropriate to use an iguana to help my child?
 
My idea of (fauna) classifieds, is the sale of animals intended for personal collection. The sale of rodents, insects, etc. on this site, are intended for the consumption of the fauna we keep. Allowing the sale of animals for human consumption had turned this into an online grocery market. Now, the striped neck musk ad, that's different. They don't eat that species there, they are highly praised. Your opinion on selling wc animals, brings up a different and never ending debate, that I don't care to be a part of. But for food, I whole heartedly agree that it should not be allowed here. What if he had it cut up already, and packaged? Pictures of lbs and lbs of snapper meat? It would be no different than what that ad is. I don't have a problem with people eating them, hell I've tried it. But that kind of sale, should not be allowed here. We could maybe rename the site faunaplusgamemeatclassifieds.com. What if someone was advirtising deer by the lb, or even dog by the lb?
 
I almost got banned for posting a reply about this problem on one of the 'Honk Kong' adds by mistake :ack2:

Anyways my view on this, and the way Fauna should handle these adds is the 'IFINS rule' Ifins Use Looks Lik Use Iz... Den Fer Sur Use Iz.
:NoNo:

Basically if one add looks like its advertising animals that are to be used for a food market they should not be allowed on this site because they are probably to be used for food... But then again I see the problem when it comes to feeder animals such as lizards, feeder snakes etc.... Hopefully a solution can be found.

Is sad to see our own Native animals being sold this way.
 
I can also see the really blurry line, but somehow this crosses it for me. Kind of like the guys who hand out KKK fliers in my Target parking lot. Everyone has the same rights, and there's always someone trying to take those rights away, but selling herps by the kilo on Fauna for human consumption (which, to me, is obviously what they're doing) is really off-putting.
If they're really selling them as pets, as the screenshot of his messages indicates, perhaps he should say so in the ad. It may turn away the buyers of human food, but that would be okay with the seller, right?
Just my opinion. Thanks for listening.

Noelle
 
exactly. and I have erection problems, so lets kill every last black and white rhino on the planet because some witch doctor medicine person says it can help, lets slaughter every elephant off the face of the planet like the 800 they found dead in month so some guy can feel like he is young again... heck why stop at animals, they grind up baby fetuses and make them into pills because it makes you more youthful...


they test toxic chemicals on innocent dogs so women can have nice make-up.

I get where you are going. and I understand the whole line thing... getting back to fauna, I find it insulting to see American wild life pulled out of its habitat, slaughtered and then sent to a foreign country, just as much as people dont like seeing their jobs being sent overseas, I doubt they are trying to find a cure for anything with these turtles just as much as obama is not trying to stop violence by taking all of our guns. china can do- eat what they want. in China... there is a reason why you cannot goto a apple bees. mc donalds, bk, olive garden and order turtle... I most certainly do not go on pet finder or kijiji looking for kilos of dog meat... that.... is where i find it a inappropriate place to list animal meat for sale
 
In answer to webslave/ Rich. Yes your opinion is enough. This is your website. Rich Zuchowski/Webslave/Fauna Classifieds does in fact IMHO condone and approve of the deplorable trade in wildlife to Asian food markets.
Your silence gives consent.
Plato
 
Well, I'm not going to read all of these posts. But as long as someone is not breaking any laws, than they should be able to sell whatever they want. One turtle, or ten thousand turtles. It's called "DOING BUSINESS". Such is life. I think people need to get over it. If you don't like it, then move on to something more suitable for you. It's that simple.

It reminds me of those people who complain about a radio personality. If you don't like what they talk about, don't listen.

Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean it's wrong.
 
In answer to webslave/ Rich. Yes your opinion is enough. This is your website. Rich Zuchowski/Webslave/Fauna Classifieds does in fact IMHO condone and approve of the deplorable trade in wildlife to Asian food markets.
Your silence gives consent.
Plato

In answer to you: If you don't like the way I run this site then don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.
 
Funny to see that most of us Replying and disgusted by these Adds are Contributing Members. I think this should be important to the Moderators and Fauna owners etc.

We do like Fauna and are happy to contribute to this site, but I feel that if this sort of trade is allowed here it means that I am contributing to that cause myself since my own money is used to maintain this site....contributing to the Trade of animals for food markets on Asia seriously makes me want to take my money elsewhere.

We hear about Rhinos, Whales and all type of endangered animals being poached and killed to used in these same markets. The last think I want is for these cowards to go to the same website I use daily to buy/kill/ and eat our own Domestic Fauna.

How sad...
 
wow.. nicely said, yes we are all contributing... we contribute for the love of animals... webslave says... hey you dont like it.. tough and leave... sounds like most these people just dont want to hear us cry for these poor stupid turtles...
 
Yes, my way or the highway. How American of you.

I don't think the debate here, is if we should allow people to send x amount of turtles overseas. It's if we should allow people to advertise food. I wonder how long it would last if I posted an ad for 5 dollar pizzas. It should be ok, since it has meat in it, it was once alive and considered fauna.
 
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