• Responding to email notices you receive.
    **************************************************
    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

  • IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ!! About the Google Adsense ads being displayed

    =====================
    Posted 08/15/2025
    =====================


    Yeah, I know. They are a pain in the butt. But they pay the bills to keep my server running. Just a fact of life, I am afraid.

    Want to get rid of them? Simple. Just become a Contributor level member or above and they will be gone. -> Please click HERE."

    Is that too much for me to ask of you to keep this site running? Well, sorry about that. I too wish I could get everything for free. But alas.....

    =====================
    Addendum: 01/10/2026
    =====================


    Google Adsense ad revenue for December, 2025 was just $30 over the cost of the lease for the server running this site. So, in effect, the money providing the incentive for me to continue running this site is coming SOLELY from the paid memberships and sponsorships here. Which honestly ain't much....

Wow Look At This Professional Email Bobby Pruett Sent Me!!!

Justin Mitcham

Justin Mitcham

ExtremeHogs
Joined
Jun 29, 2002
Messages
562
Reaction score
14
Points
0
Age
49
Location
DFW ,Texas
Never did anything at all to this guy nor do I even know him , anyone else out there getting crap like this from this fellow?? I did a check on the email sent and this is the guy who it belongs too..
I just thought it would be funny to post his non-sense up here so everyone can see what kinda @$$ this guy is.. dudes pretty cowardly, couldn't even sign his name to his email. If I am going to cuss someone , I'd like them to at least know who it is cussing them..
Sorry for taking up your time...
P.S.
In case your wondering..
For some reason when I reposted my ad on kingsnake, a picture from a previous turtle ad appeared on the ad I placed, kinda weird!! but hey thats software for ya!!


Subject: Message about: ~AWESOME 6ft. VENOMOID FEMALE FOREST COBRA~$400.00~
Date: 6/7/2004 12:21:41 PM Central Standard Time
From: [email protected]
Reply To:
To: [email protected]

I know why theres a terrapin in the ad. terrapins are cool venomoids are for p*ssys ! p*ssyboy

----------------------------------------------
Click on (or cut and paste into you browser's
location window) the URL below to view the ad that
this message is in response to.

http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?de=211245&cat=40


----------------------------------------------
This message was sent by an unregistered or non logged in user.

Sent 12:21 PM, Jun 07th, 2004 from I.P. Address 12.75.182.223
 
Although I'd definitely agree that
venomoids are for p*ssys
Click to expand...
It's not too cool to send unsolicited, anonymous insults through email. I'm not sure it warranted it's own Bad Guy thread though. (Bobby Pruett already has some you could have added to)
 
Man, talk about P*ssies......only p*ssies rip off little kids and then brag about it. Pot meet kettle.
 
I would have said something like, "Please reconsider your decision to sell venomoids. While you sell venomoids, I cannot in good conscience do any business with you, and many other people feel as I do. Even if you do not believe or particularly care that making snakes venomoid is inhumane (and also illegal unless done by a licensed veterinarian), your actions may expose you to legal liability if you sell an animal as venomoid and it is subsequently able to envenomate. This is a more likely scenario than most people seem to think, and I will be glad to provide more information to your veterinarian on his or her request. If you can, please take the time to read http://www.snakegetters.com/demo/venomoid-faq.html and let me know what you think. Thank you."

I would prefer it if my fellow anti venomoiders remained civil and reasonable. If you want to send email to dealers registering your protests at profiting from animal cruelty, anonymous insults are really not the way to accomplish anything.
 
justin mitcham-very bad guy!!!

That's right! I completely agree with Bobby! Although, I will
try to remain a little more eloquent while voicing my thoughts.
justin mitcham is a very bad guy! he ranks just below bruce
eisenmann, and the two Oregon butchers. If you dont have
the cojones to deal with the hots, then leave them to the
pros. Torturing them to make up for any inadequacies that
you may have in your pants is just ridiculous.

Bobby called it dead on.
 
Seems this thread is on the fast track to HELL.
 
DThomas said:
Seems this thread is on the fast track to HELL.
Click to expand...

Could you explain why, please? I'd really like to know. I've seen other threads with comments of a similar nature go on for several pages without being threatened with Hell.
 
It was not meant as a threat and I am sorry you took it that way. If I threaten to send a thread to hell, you'll know it.

It was more of a casual observation of the fact that already two of the four responses had dengenerated into completey inappropriate posts.
 
Thanks Dennis.

I must admit that while I would prefer to encourage my fellow anti venomoiders to remain civil and professional in order to get the best results, I understand and sympathize with the sentiments being expressed. I don't think they're necessarily inappropriate unless they degenerate into foul language and outright name calling.

If you dont have the cojones to deal with the hots, then leave them to the pros. Torturing them to make up for any inadequacies that you may have in your pants is just ridiculous.
Click to expand...

Crudely put, but that would sum it up fairly well in my opinion also. Except that it doesn't even take cojones to deal with hots. I certainly haven't got any. I'm a little old lady with glasses and I don't have any trouble at all working with venomous snakes. It is a simple skill to learn, and it is a very sad shame that some people would rather cut up and cripple snakes than spend time learning how to handle them safely.
 
Why does every thread that mentions venomoids have to transform itself into a discussion about the pros/cons or venmoids and the possession of testicles (or lack thereof) of hots/venomoid owneres? What is it about THIS issue???

This thread is merely a comment about Bobby Pruett's having sent an inappropriate email to someone. I don't think that alone makes someone a bad guy, but Bobby Pruett has other reasons to label him as such, and THIS thread shoul have simply existed as a post on one of the others dedicated to Mr. Pruett. Beyond that, it should have never existed.

If the thread continues to revolve around the venomoid issue, I think there OUGHT to be a venomoid thread formed in the HELL forum to deposit all threads that get overtaken by the antagonists on either side of the issue. After all, that forum was established to be the designated place for arguments that were found to be transcending multiple threads, which were not originally established about that which was being argued (ie: Neil vs. Wes arguments). Although, the attitudes of the protagonists may be different in this instance (but in some cases, apparently not!), this is a common theme that has raised its head in too many threads already, in my opinion. I simply see no difference between these actions and others that have been relegated to the Hell forum in the past.
 
I simply see no difference between these actions and others that have been relegated to the Hell forum in the past.
Click to expand...

Or the countless threads that are allowed to remain on the BOI with 2 pages of substance and 100+ pages of nonsense.
This one is only 3 pages so far.....so why is everyone so trigger happy?
This is a thread that was started by someone who is involved in controversial activities and has had bad dealings in the past. He's not getting a whole lot of sympathy because his complaint is pretty damn petty.
Not much different than when Sal starts a bad guy thread and it turns against him for 100+ pages. Somehow those threads are able to remain on the BOI though. Is it because venomoids aren't mentioned?
 
Darin,
Don't take this as an attack on you...it's not. I'm just trying to make a point. You ask:
What is it about THIS issue???
Click to expand...

You aren't a venomous keeper but try putting yourself in the shoes of those of us that are passionate about these animals.
I know that you are a cornsnake enthusiast.
What if I decided to make a new morph of cornsnakes by taking skin grafts from various cornsnake morphs and transplanting them on different cornsnakes. I have no medical training but I'd use an exacto knife to perform these surgeries and some fishing line for sutures. I wouldn't use any analgesics or antibiotics either.
This surgery wouldn't benefit the snake whatsoever but it would create new colorful "patchwork" corns that would sell for higher prices.
Many of the corns would die but that's ok because they're cheap. The one's that did survive might live full lives so what's the harm, right?
I realize that scenario is far fetched but imagine you saw an ad for patchwork corns. Would that piss you off? Would that seller be considered a bad guy? Does that seller deserve sympathy if someone emails him to tell him what an a*s he is for selling these atrocities? Would you use any opportunity to speak out against this?
 
Chris,

I'm with ya Pal! I have no use for venomoids or those who chop them up in their garages with the medieval practices they use. I don't feel attacked, and I hope you don't either as you read this.

I also agree that too many threads on this site get WAAAYYYY out of hand, and this has not as of yet. I have begged for more than one thread to "die the death," as I am certain you have seen from me.

What I think is common to this issue and those that have already been relegated to the HELL forum is the tendancy of EVERY thread that even mentions the word "venomoid" to turn into a separate debate on the issue, with neither side being willing to budge an inch. I don't think you SHOULD budge to the voiders, mind you, but I also don't think every thread that happens to include the concept of venomoids as a side note ought to be swept into the ongoing debate.

If someone were doing something hazzardous to cornsnakes (like hybridizing them and spoiling the purity of the genepool, selling the produced offspring as pure corns, or calling animals by names they are not entitled to) you can BET I'll be there first and foremost in the defense, because I have been consistantly. But I do not use every thread that happens to mention corns, creamsicles, and/or okeetees to vent my frustration with some practices ... no matter how strongly I feel about them.

THAT is my only point of distinction. It just seems that every single thread wherein someone happens to type the word "venomoid" gets turned into a debate on THAT issue, instead of the issue(s) for which the thread was originally established.
 
That's cool...I can respect that. I don't think anti-venomoid posts that are purely attacks are particularly constructive but I can certainly understand the frustration behind them. On the other hand, I don't mind seeing a well thought out description of what venomoids truly are or a link to a FAQ when the topic of venomoids come up. There are many herp enthusiasts who still don't even know what a venomoid is and I believe it's important for people to know about this open sore on the reptile hobby.

I wonder if a classified ad for patchwork corns would last 24 hrs on KS?;)
 
emails to voiders

Justin
I feel your greif but you had it comming.
There is no other way to comment on a deal on ks except
email from the add.
Any person that sells voids must be ready to take it.
I know of people that use the ks email to let the voiders know
how they feel.
 
Ok most knew I would chime in.....

What Bobby did with name calling is wrong. Most Venomoid owners do not know how these snakes were made. What the animal went threw to become a void. As I do not agree in voids at all. But i can see that we need to show people what is going on instead of bashing the void owners. If we can band together to stop the illegal making of them then we have no worries.

Here is a very very sad link. It shows what these hackers do to a venomous to get an extra buck.

http://www.smuggled.com/VenArt1p.htm

I have seen people compare this to Cat declawing but that is not even close. A vet does the cats everyday people are hacking up venomous snakes. They call them selves pros but they are not vets at all.

The email was wrong. But then I know how worked up I get over this. But it was still wrong. Please view the link givin. 99.9% of the venomoids out there go through this.
 
This one interests me so much, because I have kept both snakes and cats over the years, that I figured I'd throw in my two cents just this one time.
I have seen people compare this to Cat declawing but that is not even close. A vet does the cats everyday people are hacking up venomous snakes. They call them selves pros but they are not vets at all.
Click to expand...
Does it matter much who does the butchery when butchery is all that is accomplished. So what if a vet does a cat, does that make it alright! With the information available today we know (if the info is correct and not PETA bullstinkpickles) it still screws up the cat irreparably for the remainder of its life. Am I supposed to kiss a guys buttocks because he is wearing a white lab coat and has a degree. I would think that butchery performed by a trained vet is even worse than that performed by an overzealous herp enthusiast if only because a veterinarians job, just like an MD's job, is one in which the vet is not supposed to cause harm (with the exception of euthanasia for the terminally ill and that is considered to be relief not harm). I am not excusing, in any way, someone who heinously butchers a venomus snake to make a venomoid, but certainly believe it super hypocrisy plus heinous butchery for a veterinarian to declaw a cat.

All the best,
Glenn B
 
Glenn Bartley said:
I am not excusing, in any way, someone who heinously butchers a venomus snake to make a venomoid, but certainly believe it super hypocrisy plus heinous butchery for a veterinarian to declaw a cat.

All the best,
Glenn B
Click to expand...

I think the point of this post now is to show the difference between a guy cutting up snakes in his garage with NO anistetics or antibiotics and a knowledge most likely gained from the ones who didn't survive prior surgeries.

If I had a cat that I thought needed declawing I would MUCH prefer it to be done by someone with years of surgical training, the proper tools and knowledge to use them, anistetics and antibiotics on hand, and last but not least, the LEGAL right unquestioned to be doing the operation.

I would not want billyjoejimbob to get out his wire cutters and snip them off in his kitchen.

You must admit that there would most assuredly be a difference in the quality of care recieved by a vet and that recieved someone else.
 
Back
Top