Richard Carew and Luis Taracena Breeding Loan

I am starting this tread in good faith.

On May 25th of 2005 Richard Carew and I, Luis Taracena made a Breeding Loan Contract. Which Reads as follows:

BREEDING LOOAN CONTRACT said:

Richard Carew
El Paso, TX 79932
Phone (915) XXX-XXXX
E-Mail

Luis Taracena
Arizona City, AZ 85223-2264
Phone (520) 466-9836
E-Mail

This letter signifies the intentions of the above named individuals.

The intentions of Luis Taracena, (hereafter refered to as He, Him, His) and Richard Carew, (Hereafter refered to as I, Me, My), Are to breed My female Albino BCI, of the Peter Kahl line of Genetics, to His male Salmon Hypo BCI Heterozygous for Sunglow, also of the Peter Kahl line of Genetics.

My female Albino (Aurora) will be housed at His residence, listed above. For the preparation, and mating, and gestation period. He is to asume responsibility for Aurora's Health and safe return to My residence. He is to reimburse the paid sumof Aurora, $3,000.00, in the event of pre-mature death. or disappearance, should it prove to be any form of neglet, or calessness on His part.

In the event death proves to be no fault of His, I release Him of the above stated obligation. In the event of disappearance, I hold Him to the Above stated obligation, as that would reflect neglet on His part.

The Results of the breeding will be an even split, of the monetary value of the resulting hatchilings. The division of hatchilings will be determinated at time of birthing.

Sincerely

Richard Carew Signature
TXDL # 0840XXXX
Date 5/28/05

Luis Taracena Signature
AZDL # D0237XXXX
Date 5/28/05

Witness / Notary Tyrone Smith Signature and Seal
Date 5/28/05

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Richard gave me $50.00 to cover for any food that His female Albino Boa would have eat before the cooling breeding cycle begun.

Richard and I discused that my CB2002 male Salmon Hypo 100% Het Sunglow from Jeremy Stone was showing little interest in couting and we both agree to use my CB2003 male Coral Albino from Rich Ihle as a back up male.

November 06


December 04


Febuary 20


March 21


March 27
I get this e-mail from Richard Carew:

Richard Carew said:

Hey Luis,

Was wondering if this weekend would be a good visit? Want to look at My girl in person. I have been very hyper about it all, and it would make Me feel better and sleep better to see her.

Have you responded to the post at BOI? You said you needed to do so in our I.M. It won't go away.It is best to just take care of it. With out you putting in your side, and him posting the emails between you, it looks like you did him wrong. Did you have a necropsy done? Show the vets decision. If you think you are right, you should speak up and say why. If you are wrong, than you should make it right. The BOI is read by a lot of people for good guy bad guy posts. Its simple as searching a name. Some people will overlook fixed problems.

Anyway, I really wrote just to ask about coming out this weekend to see Aurora in person. Like I said, I have been a bit over hyper lately, and would liike to see her. I was thinking the 1st, or 2nd, of April. Give Me a call.


Rick

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Later, Richard changed his mind and say he was coming to AZ to get His Albino Boa. I told Richard that that was not a wise idea, that moving His female Albino so close to her due date was definitely asking for trouble. I told him that it would be good to consider waiting and that it would be best if we consulted with more Experienced Breeders as well as Reptile Veterinatians.

March 29
I did my Homework and gathered this information:

Luis Taracena said:

Dough Matuzak
"Moving her is at this point is asking for something bad to happen. The best thing to do is to wait a couple more weeks until she gives birth"
216 229 8336
www.boabasement.com


Brandon Weik,
"I would not recomend it. "
602 708 3091
www.SummitReptiles.com


Michael J. Kiedrowski, DVM
“I would not recommend moving her as I would not recommend a woman that is 8-1/2 moths pregnant to go ski diving or water skiing”Mountain View Animal Hospital
9812 North 7th Street #1
Phoenix, AZ 85020
Tel: (602) 861-1355

James L. Jarchow, DVM
“No! Definitely not recommended! High risk of pre-term labor and possibility of retention of babies”
Sonora Animal Hospital
410 West Simmons Road
Tucson, Arizona 85705
Tel: (520) 888-8988

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April 1
On a phone conversation Richard reply:

Richard Carew said:

I do not care if she looses her babies. I can always breed her later on

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I explain to Richard that he sould re-consider His decition for the well being of all the babies. Half of which are mine.

Richard reply:

Richard Carew said:

All you care is about the money.

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I reply: Is not like you did not sing the breeding agreement with no interest on the money from the babies as you have mention that at lest 4 animals of your share of the babies are already sold. The lost of the money is only half of it if The Boa delivers pre-mature babies or dead babies because of your poor choices and carelessness.

April 2
I advised Richard not to Take her for the 366 miles / 5 Hour 40 minute trip.
Richard Carew pick up His Albino Boa anyways. Before Gestation is over and Birth takes place violating the contract. Unnecessarily placing in risk not only the babies but also His Albino Female.

Richard Said he will call me when the Albino had her babies and agree to compensate me if there are any pre-mature babies or stillborns in the litter.

I did not think Richard Carew was here to take his female and keep all the babies inside her. But he was definitely angry when he left, and I got a feeling that that is the last I will hear about it.

I have heard that this is common for the owner of the female to pick-up his female right before birthing or egg laying.

We'll see what happens. Regards to all,

Luis.... I just can't believe you don't get it, yet??.... This ALL stems from the fact that YOU DID MATT WRONG.... Every poor move has it's consequences.... Had you been honest and told MATT that you couldn't ship HIS snakes because you couldn't afford it (or whatever), and not lied through your teeth every chance you could.... Had you responded to his numerous emails.... Had you answered his numerous phone calls.... NONE of this would have happened and RICK would have probably been happy just to SEE his female.... But, now, he (Rick or Matt, take your pick) can't trust you (and I, for one, certainly don't blame him/them).... Don't you get it??.... When someone expects a trade deal to go SMOOTHLY, and when it doesn't, stuff hits the fan.... Don't you get it??.... People you are doing business with NOW get hesitant, and people you have already done business with, get nervous.... And all this because you didn't take care of business.... Don't you get it??....

Neil

Your saying that the wheezing is because Rick took the snake HOME ???????? And I think that you are wrong If and when Aurora gives birth Rick will stand behind his end .......He is one of trustworthy ones

The silent wheezing

crotalusadamanteus said:

Now, WHY IS AURORA WHEEZING?

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She is not!!!

Why are you trying to discredit me on that? Is this your clever way of keeping all the babies? And let me guess, She will die too and I owe you $3,000.00

I welcome you into my house. I shake hands with you and the Sheriff. You walk past the living room area and walk right into the snake room.

Before the officer and I are in the snake room you had already open The 4'ft Vision cage and were trying to bag Aurora.

I tell you that taking her at this point is a bad idea. The Vets think so other Breeders think so. Traveling with a gravid female so close to delivery is asking for trouble! Then you get all steamed up. I tell you its not worth loosing the babies. I try to show the officer the contract both of us signed. I even had to tell you not to handle your own snake so darn rough. Your reply, and I quote:

Richard said:

I ask my Vet how to handle my snakes.

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Do people really have to ask that?

Anyways, you bagged her finnaly placed her in the floor and ask:

Richard said:

Am I going to get the Ball Pythons or not?

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I get you both Ball Pythons the Shipping Box and the Paperwork.

You Said:

Richard said:

I'll let you know when she drops...

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It acctually sound like you said: "Yeah Whatever"

You placed the Ball Pythons the Shipping Box on top of your Aurora and walk out of the house.

By the time The Sheriff and I walk outside you already put the snakes in the front seat and are getting your fire arm out of the trunk of the rental car.

If it was not because I asked the officer you would have not even signed the back of our breeding loan contract that you took Aurora on today's date.

Then you shout to the officer:

Richard said:

Can I go now?

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Like: "Officer, your car is on my way!!!"

The officer says: "Pull foward and back up around me"

Then Richard wiggles his car around the Sheriff's Car and He took off.

Now you claim she is wheezing?

Hmmmm... Yeah Right!!!

You should have taken a minute to look at your snake better while it was here.

I took Aurora out of her cage last week to give her 1-1/2 inches of moist peat moss as a delivery medium and I will bet you my Coral Albino that she was not wheezing then.

I will post pictures of her cage in a few minutes...

Oh, yeah I almost forgot your Sue me line:

Richard said:

You have my address... Sue me!!!

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Richard, Good Luck with the Babies!!!

Have a good day!!!

Please get the Ball Pythons to Matt ASAP. I should have Ship them to Neil instead!!!

Clearwater_Reptiles said:

Your saying that the wheezing is because Rick took the snake HOME ???????? And I think that you are wrong If and when Aurora gives birth Rick will stand behind his end .......He is one of trustworthy ones

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Seriously, if she REALLY is wheezing, then maybe its because she is having pre-term troubled labor... I mean its a thought!!

Gee, My own BOI thread ..............

OK, here is the deal that Luis and I made last year.




This is the male Salmon, 100 % het for Albino/Sunglow mentioned in the contract. Also this is one of the pictures I took, with MY camera, and it is still is MY property. (the picture, not the snake.)



This is the Coral Albino that I was informed Luis put in the cage to try to entice the Salmon, since the Salmon did not seem interested in My beautiful girl. (BTW Luis, Is this the same salmon that was not interested this time around? The reason you put in Matts albino Male? OH, I'm sorry, it was YOUR albino male, since you apparently accepted it.)




Which BTW Luis seems to think I agreed to. (I was informed AFTER HE PUT THE CORAL IN THE CAGE.) So anyway, Luis and his sweet talking ways starts with....."A litter of all albinos would be good too, right" I am thinking at this point, I really want to do something I should not. But I take a breath, and I conceed to the fact it is a little late at this point in time. If the Coral was "all over her" as Luis told Me, than The sunglow is scrapped. So, My Sunglow project, becomes a Coral albino project. Life goes on, right. Live and learn.

I still have to find and print all the IM's and Emails I have recieved (and saved somewhere on this machine) so as to get the dates right. I ran the ink out last night printing this entire thread in landscape mode, to take with Me today for the Sherriff to look at, so He would know I was legitamate in My reason for being there. I will have to buy more ink.

What say the board? Contract squashed? Or still in affect? I personally say He violated it. But He sure likes to bring it up a lot. That's the first thing He pulled out and handed to the Sherriff. (Sorry Luis, He already read mine a half hour earlier.) At this point, while the Sherriff is looking at the contract, Luis decides to say, "Wait Rick, I cant let you take Her. It says in the contract, that She will be kept here." So I look at Luis and ask, "Luis, is that My snake or not?" Luis says "Yes" So I look at the Sherriff and ask, "Am I allowed to collect what is Mine?" The Sherriff answers "yes." This is when Luis decides to say He was going to sue Me for 10K if they are not live born, because He guesses that's what His share of the litter would Be. I said "Sue Me."

Now at this point in time, (though it goes against My grain), I am about to MAKE Luis sue me for the cost of what He figures the babies would be. I would rather He have the money than more snakes that are mere dollar signs to Him. And in return, I will counter sue for the cost of what WOULD HAVE BEEN a sunglow litter. Not that any US court would honor a broken contract.

Are you learning yet Luis? You are wrong, and this is all coming right back to get you. You started a war with the wrong person this time. See, you would not have to let me take Aurora if you did not let the sherriff in the house. He told Me this at the truck stop where we met. But hey...........clever You. You had it all worked out didn't you? HA HA HA

I am telling you now Luis, for all the world to see. SUE ME!! Since money is so important to you, that you are willing to cause an Respiratory Infection in My girl, jeapordize a friendship, (and I am a good friend to have many people say) and virtually try to hold My girl hostage (Hmmm, I read that somewhere else I believe) in front of a law man no less, and try to use our legal system to meet your own dishonest ends. Bring it on little man.I am smarter than You will ever be.

Rick

yes it is a thought but another is R I thats a thought too

BTW, read the other thread also, and you will see this is merely a petty attempt at retaliation because things did not go as Luis carefully planned.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=366821&posted=1#post366821post366821

Rick

Richard,

Just wanted to let you know you obviosly do not know my snakes!

This is the CB2002 1.0 Salmon Hypo Het Sunglow from Jeremy Stone.





The Animal you had picture, is this CB2002 1.0 F3 Salmon Hypo, Poss Super



Also this is the CB2003 Coral Albino from Rich Ihle.



The one you pictures its the Coral Albino's brother.

You agree to the Coral Albino Breeding. So the contract is still on effect.

Maybe, you out-smart me and Broke the contract by taking her.

Oh well, I loose this one. And you get a free litter of Albinos.

Unless they all have IBD!!!

Hahahahhaaa....

HerpHobbiest said:

She is not!!!
Why are you trying to discredit me on that? Is this your clever way of keeping all the babies? And let me guess, She will die too and I owe you $3,000.00

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Are you attempting to call Me a liar? You have much to learn about Me, but keep trying. Maybe you will get back some of the reputation you lost.

HerpHobbiest said:

I welcome you into my house. I shake hands with you and the Sheriff. You walk past the living room area and walk right into the snake room.
Before the officer and I are in the snake room you had already open The 4'ft Vision cage and were trying to bag Aurora.

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Can You blame Me? I drove 400 hundred miles for that very reason. I am very task oriented. Seems you would have caught that about Me by now.

HerpHobbiest said:

You placed the Ball Pythons the Shipping Box on top of your Aurora and walk out of the house.
By the time The Sheriff and I walk outside you already put the snakes in the front seat and are getting your fire arm out of the trunk of the rental car.
If it was not because I asked the officer you would have not even signed the back of our breeding loan contract that you took Aurora on today's date.
Then you shout to the officer:
Like: "Officer, your car is on my way!!!"
The officer says: "Pull foward and back up around me"
Then Richard wiggles his car around the Sheriff's Car and He took off.

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Almost the truth. You are getting closer Luis. I shouted nothing to the officer. He asked Me to disarm Myself till I had the snakes, and was ready to leave. (Not a bad idea given My state of mind at the time.) What I asked Him was......." Can I strap Myself now?" He said "NO. Go ahead and back out between the cars and go." That's exactly what I did next.

HerpHobbiest said:

Now you claim she is wheezing?
Hmmmm... Yeah Right!!!

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DO you realize that when I get My vet to look at her, and He says she has an RI, that that makes this statement slander, and defamation of character? I am sure you do seeing as how smart you are.

HerpHobbiest said:

You should have taken a minute to look at your snake better while it was here.

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You got Me on that one. But than again, in the state of mind I was in at the time, I would probably be making phone calls right now for someone to bail Me out of jail. I think I did the right thing Myself.

Keep trying Luis. People here are smarter than you think.They will know this is your petty attempt at retaliation since things did not go as you so carefully planned.


Rick

Are you saying it did not happen as I type it?

Did you forget?

Maybe you need to ask your Vet How to handle your snakes one more time.

lol

Look you have a free litter call it a day!

Rick.... at this point, you should just let it go.... everything went according to plan (yours).... you got your snake, and you got Matt's.... as far as your "Breeder Loan" goes.... it was null and void as soon as he put the other snake in without replacing snakes on the contract and both of you signing it.... The contract, as it is, is worthless (IMO)....
So go take your snake to the vet, get her better, and move on with your life.... Your job here, is done....

Neil

Wow, just when you think things are moving towards a resolution. Hard to find anything close to an "absolute" in this thread, that being a clear solution. I think that starting this counter-thread was only counter-productive though. Have to hope that the female is healthy and stays healthy, or any problem is remedied, and produces viable offspring, which is the only outcome that may yet turn something positive from this. Possession is 9/10ths of the Law, and in waiting for a good outcome, I do not think antagonism is going to do anything except breed more antagonism. The other situation is moving towards an acceptable resolution. Been a long day, huh Rich ?

I guess I can expect you Not to pay me what you owe me on the male Salmon Hypo, 100% Het Sunglow 05-30-SHHS-M01

HerpHobbiest said:

Richard,

Just wanted to let you know you obviosly do not know my snakes!

This is the CB2002 1.0 Salmon Hypo Het Sunglow from Jeremy Stone.

The Animal you had picture, is this CB2002 1.0 F3 Salmon Hypo, Poss Super
The one you pictures its the Coral Albino's brother.

You agree to the Coral Albino Breeding. So the contract is still on effect.

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Well now, this means that the first picture I took the day we met, (the salmon above in My post) of the male which YOU told ME was the male you intended, was not what you really had planned? This just gets better don't it.

And your master plan is showing through. You are saying that that picture is not of the coral, but of his brother. WELL THAN WHO IS THIS BREEDING MY GIRL??? You told Me (and all of fauna now) it was the coral male. And I DID NOT AGREE. Conceeding, throwing in the towel, giving up on it, is not an agreement. I should pull the same thing you tried today in front of the Sherriff. OH yeah I forgot to mention that one. When I went to get My girl after Luis says He "cannot let Me take her", Luis speaks out and says...."Prove she is yours" The sherriff said "YOU JUST ADMITTED IT."

Just keep trying Luis. Like I said, I have more morals and ethics in My little finger than you possess in your whole body. There is not a doubt in My mind that people are going to see this. Good Luck.

HerpHobbiest said:

Unless they all have IBD!!!
Hahahahhaaa....

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Real smart comment buddy. You seem to be learning faster than I thought you would.

Rick

HerpHobbiest said:

I guess I can expect you Not to pay me what you owe me on the male Salmon Hypo, 100% Het Sunglow 05-30-SHHS-M01

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Go and read the other thread. I commented on that one over there. You must have missed it.


Keep trying Luis.

Rick

Luis, this keeps getting better and better.

The intentions of Luis Taracena, (hereafter refered to as He, Him, His) and Richard Carew, (Hereafter refered to as I, Me, My), Are to breed My female Albino BCI, of the Peter Kahl line of Genetics, to His male Salmon Hypo BCI Heterozygous for Sunglow, also of the Peter Kahl line of Genetics.

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Once you placed a different snake in to breed with the female, you broke the contract. If you two were willing to go so far and have legal signed and notarized contract, I believe Rick would have had another contract drawn up.

Good luck in court, you do not have a leg to stand on. I would really love to hear you try to explain this one to Judge Judy.

Luis, do you consider a male Salmon Hypo BCI Heterozygous for Sunglow(named in the contract), to be the same as the albino male the you got from Matt? If not than the contract between you and Richard is null and void. Due to the fact that you did not honer your end of the said contract. Do you have a new contract between you and Richard, in such stating that the change in males was accepted by both parties? If not, then Richard had every right to retrieve his female, as of the breech in the contract on your part.

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Oh well, I loose this one. And you get a free litter of Albinos.
Unless they all have IBD!!!
Hahahahhaaa....

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Man IBD isn't a joke, Or is this just sick way to say "ha ha if I cant have the babies you wont either" Knowing IBD won't show up for awhile and putting fear into Rick that he may have to put Aurora down and also lose the babies ???? And what about poor Matt ( you remember him ) Now he has 2 Balls that may be infected also. whether the statement above was said in jest or not, You (Luis) have just ruined 2 lives not to mention the lives of the snakes, Because fear of this disease.. But then again its all about the money isn't it ....You are a sad sad Little Man

Luis, Luis, Luis.................Let us ASSUME, that I did agree to the CB 2003 coral albino breeding, (which I did not agree to, I conceeded because it sounded a little late to do anything about by your description of Him being "all over Her" )
And let us ASSUME, that I got the snakes mixed up. (which i doubt, knowing how i keep records of this kind of stuff).........

You say this is the coral albino, CB 2003.....................


Than I ask You again, (since you seemed to have skipped over reading that part)................WHO IS THIS BREEDING MY GIRL?



Does not look like what you say in your own words is the CB2003 coral. but let me guess, I must have photoshopped the pics right? And your pics too?


But lets put that aside..........The reason behind My saying Sue me is because I am sick and tired of hearing a dollar amount come out of your mouth about almost everything we have ever talked about. Your nice car, your nice new rims, your nice new bike, your nice helmet, blah, blah, blah. Now you want to place a specific dollar amount on an UNBORN LITTER? You must have exray vision or something and can tell how many babies she will have. Now that I have her, she does not look near as "full" as you say she is.

And since you do like throwing dollar amounts around so much, here is a dollar amount for you. $382.54 Per orthoscopic liver Bopsy, and all the necessary testing involved. That means the first one, and again in 3 months, and again in 3 months, and again in 3 months, and again in 3 months, and again in 3 months, and again in 3 months, and again in 3 months, and again in 3 months, Are you getting the picture? And this is just Aurora. Now throw in any babies that may come of this litter, and again in 3 months, and again in 3 months, and again in 3 months, and on and on and on. Is that dollar amount getting big enough for You? IBD IS NOT A JOKE. And I intend to take this very seriously.

And since you want to bring our other deal into this of Me purchasing Sammy, CB2005 Hypo Salmon het for albino, here goes. We will let everyone in on that as well. It's your hole, I'll help you dig it..............

On Nov. 25 2005 (day after Thanksgiving) I agree to purchase His "pick of the litter" for a price of $1000, if He could accept 1/2 down and $100 a month. This is the best i can do at the time. It took absolutely NO convincing on My part for Him to give up this "pick of the litter". Hmmmm, wouldn't have guessed that.

So By early Dec. during an IM, he starts with his money woes again, I feel bad, and send out a payment for Dec on 12-12 of $100. 2 weeks later, still with the money woes so i send another check for $100 on 12-26-05 for January. The same day Ballkoth (a recued BP) died of long term cancer on His liver, and My birthday. So now we are paid up till Feb.
More money woes and I send Feb payment on 1-23-06 wishing i could just pay it off and be done with this mess. Thats three, and puts me paid till march comes.

Now on Jan 29th in another IM, He is harping about a payment. I actually had to tell him to get off of the damn payment thing, I am not only paid up, I am over a month ahead. Next payment is due in march. Relax, I am good for it, you do not need to harp on Me about paying My bills. I take care of My debts, and the payment will be on time as usual. (not exact wording, but close). So I make Him wait till march 6th, and I send out payment #4 early.

I have the IM's to back this, however, being IM's and Me being My loose toungued self, there are several points at which cursing is involved. I do not wish to break the rules, so anyone who needs Me to "prove" this, I will gladly send them to You via E-mail for your scrutiny. But of course, by doing this I will also be disclosing other "problem transactions" that Luis has been in, because they are in the IM in it's original form.

BTW Luis, I am well aware of the fact that You have one more payment coming, and it will go in the Mail today, as I stated in the other thread. I do not "blow off" My bills, and certainly not to try to gain on My behalf at someone elses loss, as you clearly demonstrate in these two posts is your nature.

Rick