Alex Hue and TNS reptiles

Please post the results of over 200 dead ball pythons.

I would like to see this post up again as I am angered that so many animals have been lost in less than a week.

Al im gonna be putting pics up tonight of the 35 that died last night and the 20 + more that died this morning and i have to go in again in a little while to clean more out and pick more dead out. You think you're angry, you cant even imagine how i feel.

Mike Brooks

I ended up unable to read posts for a while and contributed to at least three of those error message alerts that was sent to Rich, but had been reading this thread prior to being unable to see the boards...

Was more detailed information about the exact disease/infection/parasite load that was diagnosed given?

Was more detailed information about the specific treatments being undertaken given? The last post I saw, there was some question about dosing amounts and the possibility of medication toxicity, just wondering if that got cleared up.

Was the email exchange and the more specific timeline posted?

Any information that ended up on here should probably be added to the end of the thread once more, server problems eating it leaves very few people as having seen the full amount of whatever was posted.

that was sent to Rich

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Wow, my syntax and tense is all messed up today, that's about the tenth post I've done that in... should be "that were sent to Rich"

Sean as far as the treatment given my vet said he gave them flagyl and that was it. He takes care of many of my snakes and he did not give them all this treatment. I'm not sure of the exact dosage but he is a professional and this began before he had seen any of them. I have a pic that should be on tonight around 11 or so of all the ones that died last night and today upwards close to 50 or so in a container i have out by the garbage. I'm not freezing them all and i wont because its ludacris to have that many snakes frozen with my food. I cant freeze that many dead snakes in my fridge and my frozen rodent freezer is packed to the gills so outside in the garbage they go. If somebody wants them sent to them ill have no probelm bagging up the bodies i have here and the ones ill have tomorrow and the next day and the next until i have nothing left. When i post the pics tonight then give me a reply of what you guys think. These animals were dying long before any of them were brought to be checked out and given some meds. And it seems that many of them have been going from different things but if anyone things im going to have a autopsy done on that many snakes its a little ridiculous. 100's of these animals were dying before and after med so i DONT think its a question of toxicity at all. The majority died before hand.

Mike Brooks

100's of these animals were dying before and after med so i DONT think its a question of toxicity at all. The majority died before hand

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I think it was just brought up by someone because you were unsure of the dosing levels, unfortunately I can't remember who asked or how they worded it. If you were following the vet's instructions though, then you're correct, there shouldn't have been a toxicity issue.

And as far as having an autopsy done on these animals. These are animals that cost $5 each. Having them diagnosed would cost 10x that much. And instead of being out 5k i would be out 12k. I thank all you guys with your questions and im not looking to harm anyones reptuation, BUT i am looking for someone to do the right thing. These animals should not be dying like this. SOMETHING is very wrong. I've come to the fact that ive been shafted here and instead of having aniamls that are healthy and eating and i can sell. I'm taking so much time out of my day to attend to cleaning out animals that are becoming. Pics will be on later. Like Al said do you know how bad it hurts to clean that many dead animals out of tanks? My #1 love is for the snakes first, then money. I'm not happy taking those dead babies out of those cages at all.

Mike Brooks

One more thing if the man who gave me those HET FOR DEAD ball pythons wants them back ill ship the live ones that are dying as we speak along with all the dead i have now back to you so you can see the rest for your own eyes. I know that you're not going to make good on this because you think im trying to pull as fast one on you some how or that I am uncapable of taking care of snakes which is quite funny. Anways like i said ill ship the rest to you because frankly im VERY sick of this morgue I'm running over here. I'll pay the money so you can see all the dead and because you're not going to make good one it you can keep them.

Mike Brooks

Like Al said do you know how bad it hurts to clean that many dead animals out of tanks?

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Al also said he has a hard time grasping how you take proper care of 1000+ animals. And you said it yourself in the deleted thread that you take care of your animals yourself.

Hold on Al! That thread was NOT deleted! Is that what you believe?

Did you bother to read the post I made about what happened? Do you want me to post ALL of those 250 database error messages I got this morning?

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Hi, I was one of the people questioning the dosage because on the first page around four or five posts down TNS said that the snakes were soaked in a "cocktail" "That's what you do with 100's of ch snakes"
This is not the exact quote but I posted the exact quote in a post early this morning.
I was also the person who suggested to have a necropsy done on @ least one or a few animals so maybe you can stop the rest from dying.
What? You paid $5 ea so it really doesn't matter to you what they are being killed by as long as Mr Hue refunds your $. HMM. Nice.
Al I agree with you a 100%. 33 Animals does take around 35-40 hrs to properly care for. If ya have a full time job plus you have 1000 Ball Pythons where does he find the time?
Rob

Yeah Al i didnt mean that you were hurt, but i meant that it angers me to see that many die thats all. I was taken out of context a little i guess sorry about that.

Mike Brooks

Rob i dont think i need to explain to you how i find the time to do what i need to do because in fact i am a very hard worker that works 7 days a week with both things i do and about 8 hours on each seperate biz. Explaining to you my every second of the day seems somewhat trivial. These snakes are dying by the 100's, if i was there every second watching their every move they would still be dead. Now as far as me not caring about these animals because they are $5 you couldn't be more incorrect. I said I'm not going to have anything done about an autopsy on these snakes because so many have died. I'm really not interested in getting shafted any more on money I've wasted here. Mr. Hue has already said he's not going to do anything as far as refunding anything. I just want people to see all the dead snakes-SIMPLE And they'll be posted later on tonight.

Did you bother to read the post I made about what happened?

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Thats the reason I started this thread.

Best I can figure out that this database error must have happened right when someone was adding a message to this thread, and resulted in the entire thread being wiped out.

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I took that as the old thread was lost.

And you said it yourself in the deleted thread

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I am sorry if this was taken as the thread was deleted, What I meant was the thread that can no longer be found.

EASY!!!!!

Don't you think it would be beneficial for at least one autopsy done? It would help to find out why these snakes are dying at the rate they are, not to mention you probably have other snakes that could be affected as well.
Before throwing those snakes away you should be taking pictures of them and numbering the pictures.

If ya have a full time job plus you have 1000 Ball Pythons where does he find the time?

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That was my question too.

I was thinking of ways to save time in the care of my small collection, but none of the time savers made any sense because no matter what, it would be less time with my animals. And the reason I spend this amount of time on them is because thats how much time they seem to need.

I could not imagine caring for over 1000 by myself.

Al I'm not sure what you mean by what happend? With Alex himself or with the ball pythons? Please elaborate some more.

Stardust, i do think it would be beneficial if Mr. Hue was going to possibly do something about this, but he isn't. As far as other snakes being infected all these animals were seperate from my collection in the first place so im not worried about my personal stuff. These animals are dying at a ridiculous rate I REALLY have serious doubts of any of them living at all and I've already made the decision to just wait, keep them clean and watered and try to feed them and keep them going as long as possible. I've got a few i froze but not that many and if i do decide to do something as far as testing it wont be right this second. This really isnt about having to do testing on all these or any of these animals. These snakes are not sick because of what i was doing, These things started dying from the START, i contacted this guy right away but all he was willing to do was send me more dead snakes, Right out of the box dead.

Mike Brooks

I seem to recall a couple of inconsistencies. First you soaked them in a cocktail of antiparasitics. Then later your vet medicated them. FIrst it was flagyl and panacure and some others, then it was just flagyl. First it was all of them, then it was the vet only did some of them. First it was your roommate who opened the box and found dead snakes, then it was you in front of your roomate who opened the box. First it was one dead snake when Alex delivered them with several more having mouthrot, then it was many of them having mouthrot and you being sure it was this that they were dieing from.

I'd still like to know what was given to them, the exact dosage and medication. Why did your vet only give it to some of them and not all of them? Why is it that you made no big deal of it when you found some with mouthrot at the time Alex delivered them but it later became the cause of them dieing?

There are far too many inconsistencies here. It is a shame that the thread got deleted, there was much food for thought there.

And, once again, since Alex has sold several thousand of these, how is it that you are the only one to have had such problems?

I think some necropsies are definately in order. If you are going to continue to insist that you got sick animals, you need some proof. Use animals that have not been frozen and let us know what the vet says. You have opened yourself up to needing to prove what you say, necropsies will go a long way to show what happened. Without them it is very possible that they were simply over medicated and killed that way, as likely if not more so than that you are the only one who got sick snakes from Alex.

Please let us know what the vet says. Also there was some problem with your long distance access on the previous thread. Ever hear of 10 10 220? it is available nationwide and we here in Ca. actually pay every month to make sure it is available to those who don't have long distance service on their home lines. It sucks but the PUC decided that the phone companies could charge every household in Ca to make sure everyone could use the 10 10 numbers.

Some more facts please.

Wes Pollock

I am very sorry to hear about this Mike. I guess now I am glad he did not have my animals the day I went to pick them up. Sorry you had to go through this. Craig Kade

Wes let me explain a few things i said I soaked them in a "cocktail" which i thought was flagyl and panacur. I said if you were reading the post from yesterday that i thought it was that but i would find out for YOU guys. Thats what i said. Nothing inconsistant about that and when i found out it was flagyl i posted it. I said it wasnt all of them because some of them were dead as well and i didnt soak every single one of them right away because i didnt want to do that many snakes at one time. Nothing inconsistant about that either. Whether it was Me, my roomate and Santa claus standing there while i was opening the box. THEY WERE STILL DEAD. When it was my roomate. Once again i ALSO said that i realized WHEN ALEX came here in my original post that this is a percentage game some of these animls were going to have some problems and possbily die-I REALIZE THIS as everyone who deals with CH balls does.

As far as any of your other questions nothing is in order. What is is order and the SIMPLE FACT is that there is 800 animals that are dying very quickly. There was a lot of food for thought here.


10-10-220, no long distance means no long distance we dont have any of it because i live with 3 people and i have people in and out of my house all the time i dont need poeple running up phone bills in my house.

The dosage of Flagyl was NOT the thing that killed the animal my vet is more then a professinoal and takes care of many high end snakes so please wasting your time telling me they were poisoned is going nowhere.

These animals are dying so fast its amazing. If you guys are so concerned about me doing a test on them then maybe you and Alex should take them all back (I'll ship) them and then you can discredit me all day long? Thats the least he can do being that he just put 5k in his pocket? Just a thought