Bad deal with Bobby Pruett and Ty Young!!!

My partner and I purchased an male Albino Fat Tail Gecko (#5)
advertised on the Kingsnake Classifieds by Arboreals Etc.
We sent $535 via Pay Pal to Bobby Pruett of Arboreals Etc. and we agreed on a shipping date which was to be 10-13 for arrival on 10-14.
We called to confirm that the animal was sent as planned and to get the tracking #.
Bobby Pruett ignored several calls and e mails by my partner and myself and when we finally reached him he tells us that the Gecko was not shipped. When asked what the problem was he said these were not his animals and that he was only advertising them for his friend Ty Young of Fantasy Fat Tails. When asked if the animal would be shipped on the agreed date he said he didn't know what was going on be cause his friend Ty Young recently lost his mother and that he subsequently lost a close friend. Sensing that this transaction was not going to be finalized Pruett asked if we still wanted the Gecko and we said we'd prefer a refund. We then got a totally unprofessional and rude attitude and were told to go after Ty Young for the refund because Pruett didn't want to send a Pay Pal refund and lose the 3% charge fee!!!
Seeing that Bobby Pruett accepted our Pay Pal into his account I felt he was responsible for the refund, but took his advice and called Ty Young.
Upon speaking with Ty Young I stated who I was and explained the situation only to find out that he had already spoken with Pruett about this.
Ty Young started giving me this long drawn out sob story about his personal problems and how his problems were more important than making sure the animal that I paid for was actually delivered to the seller Pruett, or that a refund be sent in a timely fashion. After hearing all bout his loses for a good 3 minutes I said "I can sympathize, but I wanted a refund". He then says Pruett was right, you and you partners are c*ck suckers. LOL Ty Young then says "get the refund from Pruett because he handled the transaction". I call Pruett who says to me "how did you like your conversation with Ty" and laughs. I tell him that I expected a refund and that I didn't care who sent it. He explains how he didn't want to send it because he'd lose out on the 3% charge and to go after Ty Young for the refund. My partner contacted Pruett to state that we'd wait until Tuesday for the refund even though we were promised the refund for Monday night and that if it wasn't received we would take the appropriate action to rectify the situation.
We then checked the e mail this morning and the Pay Pal came MINUS the 3% charge!!! LOL
This scum bag Ty Young deducted the 3%.
At least we got something back from them, but I'm warning everyone now, I'd think long and hard about dealing with this Ty Young character of Fantasy Fat Tails and also Bobby Pruett of Arboreals Etc. If Ty's personal problems are enough to create situations where he can't deliver the animals he is selling after taking your money then I'd rather not deal with him, or Pruett for that matter. I'm sure there are people who may have not had a problem with one or both of these people, but that was not the case with my transaction with them.
I'm just stating what happened with us for other buyers benefit.
These guys are scum bags of the highest order.
Buyer Beware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bobby Lee

Mistaken

Actually if you process the refund via PayPal's refund button (found on the details page of the transaction) they also reverse the 3% fees. Just more information if you ever run into this situation again.

Isn't it a violation of kingsnake's policy to advertise animals for "a friend"? Hasn't he openly admitted to breaking that policy?

NOT AGAIN

This must be the season for deaths to be excuses for egos being to big.

Far as KS not allowing you to post items for sale for friends i would have to put that right up there with them taking action on fraudulent sellers ... this likely is none due to the fact that Jeff b seems to not want to loose a potential repeat paying advertiser more then he cares who screws who long as he gets his annual payment. i think maybe there needs to be plaques made up and sent to all of these shoddy sellers/ scammers and just down right pathetic people that seem to be flooding this trade.

what a joke

They ordered a gecko and payed for it. Ty had some personal problems that was going to delay shipping by one day. This Bobby Lee emailed saying he still wanted the gecko if there were no more delays in shipping. After reading his emails and speaking to the guy Ty and I both decided this guy was getting a refund and not one of our animals. I think its petty to make jokes about a death of a friend or a family member. His remark about the death *well lifes a bitch* told me all I needed to know about him. For the rest of you fine people when you are partners with someone,brokering animals you are within Kingsnakes TOS when posting animals

Bobby-

What about the 3% Pay Pal fee you deducted from his refund? Isn't that against their TOS? Seems to me that is just the cost of doing business, just like the 1.9% fee we pay every time our business accepts a credit card. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this..

Thank you.

I think I've seen enough threads to not buy off these people.

Simple as that.

3%

KelliH said:

Bobby-

What about the 3% Pay Pal fee you deducted from his refund? Isn't that against their TOS? Seems to me that is just the cost of doing business, just like the 1.9% fee we pay every time our business accepts a credit card. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this..

Thank you.

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Hi Kelli

I had Mr. Lee send a Request Funds from paypal. This way there would be a paper trail. I dont deduct 3%, paypal does. He sent the request and the funds were sent.

Why did you not just use the Refund option through PayPal so no percentages were deducted?

ms_terese said:

Why did you not just use the Refund option through PayPal so no percentages were deducted?

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I sent the funds to Tys paypal after I recieved them.

Bobby Pruett said:

I sent the funds to Tys paypal after I recieved them.

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Wether you SENT money to Bobby Lee or you used the refund option.

1. there would still be a paper trail.
2. The money still comes out ofyour account.


Either you guys were just having an off day and were having a hard time getting things together...... Or you really wanted to mess with them by making them lose 3%

Ritchie Luna said:

Wether you SENT money to Bobby Lee or you used the refund option.

1. there would still be a paper trail.
2. The money still comes out ofyour account.


Either you guys were just having an off day and were having a hard time getting things together...... Or you really wanted to mess with them by making them lose 3%

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I no longer had there funds in my acount. I sent them Tys paypal ID so they could send a Request funds to Ty. Mr. Lee sent the request and Ty paid.Sorry but 3% of $500 isnt worth stealing.

"Life's A Bitch"

Regarding Bobby Pruetts remark stating that I said "lifes a bitch"
in reference to Ty Youngs supposed deaths among friends AND family, I NEVER said "life's a bitch" I spoke with this Ty Young and told him I can sympathize with his losses, but I preferred to get a refund rather than getting the Gecko. He got enraged when I interupted his long speal of excuses for why I wasn't getting what I paid for when it was supposed to be here.
He and Pruett already proved that they couldn't deliver on their end of the deal and there was absolutely no signs that they even planned to ship the Gecko out within the next day or so.
In short, I knew this was going to be the old "Sorry I burned you, but I had a death in the family" B.S.
When I called Pruett back he found it humerous that this Ty Young had the need to say my partner and I were c*ck suckers because we were concerned about our investment!
REALLY professional and appropriate Ty and Pruett. LOL
Pruett is trying to do some damage control on his reputation by saying that my partner and I deserved to be treated in a rude and unprofessional fashion by Ty Young and himself because of a lack of regard for Ty's personal problems.
Bottom line is I offered my sympathies, but sh!t happens and one thing has nothing to do with the other. I never said "life's a bitch"!
The money was sent, the animal wasn't, and in between I had to deal with two A-holes to get my funds back and then they make a bunch of excuses as to why they burned me out of the 3%!!!
Times are tough, and these guys are pulling scams like this!
As I said before, losers of the highest order!!!

BUYERS BEWARE

This is nothing but a JOKE

blee said:

Regarding Bobby Pruetts remark stating that I said "lifes a bitch"
in reference to Ty Youngs supposed deaths among friends AND family, I NEVER said "life's a bitch" I spoke with this Ty Young and told him I can sympathize with his losses, but I preferred to get a refund rather than getting the Gecko. He got enraged when I interupted his long speal of excuses for why I wasn't getting what I paid for when it was supposed to be here.
He and Pruett already proved that they couldn't deliver on their end of the deal and there was absolutely no signs that they even planned to ship the Gecko out within the next day or so.
In short, I knew this was going to be the old "Sorry I burned you, but I had a death in the family" B.S.
When I called Pruett back he found it humerous that this Ty Young had the need to say my partner and I were c*ck suckers because we were concerned about our investment!
REALLY professional and appropriate Ty and Pruett. LOL
Pruett is trying to do some damage control on his reputation by saying that my partner and I deserved to be treated in a rude and unprofessional fashion by Ty Young and himself because of a lack of regard for Ty's personal problems.
Bottom line is I offered my sympathies, but sh!t happens and one thing has nothing to do with the other. I never said "life's a bitch"!
The money was sent, the animal wasn't, and in between I had to deal with two A-holes to get my funds back and then they make a bunch of excuses as to why they burned me out of the 3%!!!
Times are tough, and these guys are pulling scams like this!
As I said before, losers of the highest order!!!

BUYERS BEWARE

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Buyers beware of what? I like how you say you would rather of had a refund. You still wanted the gecko and Ty told you he would refund your money because you were a complete jerk on the phone. If I was going to rip you off I would have kept your money and you wouldnt have gotten anything. I dont have to *run damage control* on my rep. Every order went out today and others next week. You have to give respect to get respect!

SELLER BEWARE of USA Geckos

Just a question on brokering.
Don't even know if I should post here.

When a friend brokers my animals for me.....should he have the animals or should I? Should he get a percentage of should he not?

Because if you "brokered" his animals.
And the payment went to you then him.
And if he had the animals.
To me that says it was not brokered for him.
Rather it was just listed for him. Because it does not sound like you got a percentage either.

It sounds like the whole amount went to TY.
TY had the animals therefore it was not being brokered.
Rather it was being listed for him.

And that is against KS TOS.

Also why did he have to play phone tag?
He sent YOU the money so it should have been YOU to refund him.
Then he was sent to TY for the refund. Then back to you then back to TY.

He is absolutely right in posting Buyer beware. He did not get his animal. Then after all that he got the run around when it was time to get the refund.

I was Bobby Lee’s partner in this deal for the AFT #5 and handled the details of the transaction. I have to say that this was a very shady deal!
I first contacted Bobby Pruett of Arboreals Etc.on Thursday of last week about the male Albino Fat Tail #5. We agreed that the price would be $535 Shipped and that he would ship the gecko out this past Monday (Oct. 13th). Bobby Pruett said that he would email me on Monday to confirm with me that the gecko was shipped and to give me the tracking number. At about 4:30 pm or 5:00 pm on Monday I hadn’t heard from Bobby Pruett as promised so I emailed him to make sure he did ship the gecko. He replied saying that he wasn’t shipping today (Monday) and that he will ship the gecko out tomorrow (Tuesday) with no apparent reason as to why. When I asked him why there was a change in the shipping date he replied by saying that it was a holiday and that’s why he didn’t ship the gecko. He also said that he told a friend of mine that the geckos were still with Ty and that he was doing Ty a favor by posting the geckos for sale (I don’t know who this friend is, it wasn’t Bobby Lee, and why was he telling other people about a deal between him and I????). More excuses as to why the deal was going sour. He said that if I had a problem to contact Ty for a refund. I tried calling Ty twice and he never answered the phone.
Fed Ex was open for operation on Monday, so I questioned him about his saying that he couldn’t ship during the holiday and he got upset and that is when he said it was due to a death in Ty’s family, Quote” Well if you must know Ty's mom died so sorry if I couldnt plan for that. Feel free to look it up in the Boise ID newspaper. Again sorry if your gecko wasnt on the top of my things to do list.”
And then seconds later I got this email Quote “My bad Ty already buried his mom. Now another person close to him gets buried. Sorry for personal problems that come up unexpectedly”

At this point I knew the deal was definitely not going to happen and that is when I told my partner what happened and he contacted Ty and got his attitude and name calling. So, Ty asked us to email Bobby Pruett the email address in which he could send the refund to. We called Bobby Pruett to verify this with him and he said that we needed to send Ty a “Request for Payment” through Pay Pal. Now I completely felt like I was getting the run-around! He said it was because he didn’t want to lose out on the 3% fee that Pay Pal charges and he didn’t want Ty to loose the 3% either (nice of him to think of his customer!). I told him I felt that I shouldn’t have to loose the 3% and he said that I wouldn’t if I did it the way he was suggesting, needless to say I was the one who got the 3% charge taken out.

By 11:30 p.m. I still did not have the refund, so I emailed Bobby saying that I will wait until 10:00 am the next morning and if I didn’t have the refund I would contact Pay Pal and my credit card company to resolve the issue. The refund was in my account when I woke up this morning.

By the way, I contacted Pay Pal about their refund policy, and if he would have refunded our money via the refund button, he would have gotten his 3% fee back as well as us.
Now we are out the 3%. We would have to return his refund, then he would have to refund our original payment sent to him on Thursday via the refund button as explained to us by a PayPal rep. That’s the only way we could have gotten our 3% back and at this point I really don’t think I can trust sending the money back to him. My partner and I went through enough crap just to get back our funds MINUS the 3%. In my opinion that is stealing money.

Just trying to give everyone a heads up.


If any one is interested I have saved all emails between Bobby Pruett and me.

P.S. I was standing right next to Bobby Lee during his conversation with Ty, and Bobby Lee in no way was a jerk, he was very calm and never even raised his voice to Ty. Ty on the other hand was yelling so loud that I could hear him 2 feet away.

We said what we had to say, let the truth be known.

Thank you

Actually I should really not comment on the brokering thing.

What I would like to see is an explanation from Jeff B.

It is his site. It is his site the animals are being "brokered" on.
It is also his TOS that says no listing of other peoples animals.

To me that also means no brokering. Because brokering IS listing other peoples animals.

Unfortunately even though I wrote to him asking if my friend can broker my animals for me........he still has not responded back.
And the reason I felt like asking him is because I am not allowed to have an account on KS. Therefore I do not want my friend lsoing his account just because he wanted to make extra cash selling my animals.

So I take my comments back on the brokering bit....at least until I can get a further definition of terms from Jeff B

I've purchased from and traded animals with Bobby Lee and he's always been great to work with. He's always been nothing but pleasant when I corresponded with him by email or talked to him on the phone.
I know this thread isn't about Bobby Lee but since Bobby Pruett is making him out to be belligerant or difficult to work with I figured I'd share my experience with him, which has been the exact opposite.

hey BOBBY PRUITT

Why did you not get the geckos once you realized that a sale had been consummated? Certainly that would have been the right thing to do not only to protect your integrity but to insure that the sale would go through smoothly. I guess you and your friend deserve each other, but do us all a favor and get out of the gecko business. Its unbelievable how a simple transaction, over a lizard could get so screwed up. JERRY TRESSER

Perhaps he was too busy playing collector for tim over at arboreals of the rainforest.

Wes Pollock