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All BD breeders should read this...

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I know that I myself and everyone else out there hates PARASITES. As our responsibility as Bearded Dragon Breeders we should all test our breeders for parasites prior to and even after breeding to ensure maximum health. I believe that if this message or a message like this were to be sent to every breeder we could substantially reduce the parasitic infection of bearded dragons. So what you need to do this at home can be found at beautifuldragons.com(This not meant as advertising but as an informer.)
Materials:
1 Microscope-$135
Fecasol-8oz.-$6
Fecal Testers-$45 for 50
Parasite ID chart-$5
Microscope slide-$8
Microscope Cover Slips-$6
Albon-$9(If Needed)
Pancur-$6-$15(If Needed)
Needleless Syringes-$1 a Piece(If Needed)
For those breeders like me that do perform fecals tops off to you. For those that do not there is now no excuse not to for I have given you a list of supplies and where to obtain them. And if you still do not test your breeders then there is no point in breeding for you are bring unhealthy dragons into a world that I hope will no longer tolerate such things. And if you still are reluctant to test them than do not ever bother taking part in breeding It is not worth it. But for those of you that do we are upholding a standard and it is a small price to pay for a rewarding business.

Also quarantine any new dragon you get please Even if you do not breed for I personal hate it when someone complains back that one of my dragons is dead or is no longer active and I ask them if they have them in with furniture from a previous dragon or are housing them with a dragon other than a sibling dragon and they say yes... I tell them that they should probably blame themselves for no proper quarantine before introducing foreign bodies. And before swapping out furniture between cages or introducing a dragon to new furniture BAKE IT! at 300 degrees for 30 minutes.
Please help reduce infectious parasites and keep hygiene to a max!
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Thank You,
OEdwards:)
 
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Great information! :) Good to know where to get supplies for testing. I think I'll get things there too. :)
 
Great info and I have been doing my own testing for over a year and keep over 30 dragons and have had to treat 3 of them over the past year all three were picky eaters,foul poop, on the skinny side and heavy loads of pin and round worms and high coccidia. I do watch level of pin and coccidia in dragons just out of brumation its crazy how fast counts drop after 5 weeks of eating good diet and soaking twice a week with no medication yea I look at poop every week and love it and I only medicate if high counts last more than a month. I do have to say that in my opinion there are a few great big breeders that i know out their that don't treat for parasites, why because they cull any that fall victim to parasites, this is actually good for the strength of the dragon lines in my opinion. I would rather have a dragon that is from a female with a natural good immune system that keeps parasites at low levels than a female that has been treated several times with panacur and albon. (just my 2 cents)
 
Yes I have some girls that never have had parasites and I have had some that I bought that are loaded with them. Proud to say that when I get any with parasites I treat them and I have rarely well have not yet seen any more parasites on treated animals or at least at not high enough amounts to detect.
An example is my girl Cynthia I got her at 5 months old the guy said she was 98 grams but she was 91 grams and then she released her BM all over the cage going down to 86 grams. I used that for fecal exams she was LOADED with parasites. She is now at 276 grams just 2 months later. When I got her she was not tame and affraid of me today I can see that she loves me and shows me great respect for all I did for her. So I have found fecals also increas BD and owner trust. The seller said she ate like crazy so if she was such a crazy eater then why was she not bigger, she is now a truly crazy eater for she is now given food to eat. Take care of your pets people it is not hard( only meant to those that neglect them).
 
Wow. Sounds like your girl is doing great! :)

My babies from you are doing well. :) Eleuria likes to have her head rubbed. And she is so tame she'll run up your arm the minute it's in her cage.
 
Wow!

This to me is quite interesting. In South Africa this would be totally illegal!

I had a look at the website (http://www.beautifuldragons.com) and totally agree that it is very important to deworm reptiles and in particular, because of their poor hygiene, bearded dragons.

BUT, that is why veterinarians study for 7 years (in SA, not sure about USA?). They know when to deworm. Not all dragons with parasites in their stools should be dewormed! In fact they MUST NOT!

If you guys deworm beardeds every time you see parasites or their eggs in the stool then you will very soon sit with a real and massive problem! You are creating what is called 'super worms'! These are parasites that are resistant to anthelminthic remedies.

Also in South Africa a layperson (like the owner at beautiful dragons) are by law not allowed to sell medication especialy scheduled drugs like Baytril, Flagyl and amoxycillin).

What does the law say about this in USA?

Goodbye
 
Also what does the law in USA state about (re)packing a 'name brand product' (like Flagyl) into smaller volumes and stamping your name on it?

Sorry if this seems like an attack on beautifuldragons.com, it isn't. I just want to know. If it is legal then they are doing nothing wrong. If it is illegal, well then...
 
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This is not a discussion about what is legal and not but to inform breeders.
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Sorry, but you dont get to steer peoples responses like that. He made a couple of good points and it has directly to do with the conversation you started. If you "inform" people of something, and he thinks its bad information and possibly even illegal then that should also be talked about.

no offense meant
 
It's good to know how do do your own fecals. What if you cant get a Vet appointment for at least two weeks, and you have a dragon that was say shipped to you in horrible condition. very skinny even though it's eating like no return. It would help all dragon breeders so they can get a chance to stop the parasites from spreading to other dragons, so the breeder can get the infected one in quarantine and get the dragon or other reptile treated
 
Yes I agree Sonia that is why I posted this many people do not want or sometimes cannot afford vet payments so it is nice to have medicine close by and a way to preform your own fecals. When I use to go to the vet it cost around $75 for pancur and albon and here it is much cheaper.
 
Wow, that vet ripped you off!, which is another reason to learn to do your own fecals, it is a part of your business. Even though hard to think of all your beardies sometimes. It's natural for the babies to eat each others poop, to get the flora in their gut to be able to digest greens. In the wild they would follow other adults at a distance and eat anothers poop for the flora. So you can imagine how fast parasites can spread.
 
I see beardeddragons.co also sells 'Baytril'.

Irresponsible. Baytril is used as a 'last line' antibiotic. Indiscriminate use like this would end up in this very valuable antibiotic becoming useless. The same principle aplies as to the deworming medication.

The principle is; when you give the wrong drugs at the wrong dose to animals that don't need that drug you are creating massive problems. For example, if your dragons is ill and you give it 'Baytril' but it doesn't have a bacterial infection all you are doing is creating 'baytril-resistant drugs'. Your dragon gets over his illness but ends up getting a rspiratory infection 2 months later for some reason. Now you take him to the vet. The vet prescribes Baytril. But your dragon doesn't get better. You blame the vet. But your the idiot.

These drugs are scheduled for a very good reason.

In SA most anthelminthic drugs aren't sheduled medicine. This is why we are seeing so much resistance in worms.

Please do not abuse these drugs. Most dragons do not need deworming! If you see eggs on the feacal float this does not meet you must deworm.

I am making this post because in the long run it will save more dragons and it will save you money! If you end up with resistant Coccidia by treating every dragon that has coccidia 'eggs' in their feaces then this will happen in no time. You will be out of business in just as quickly!

Goodbye
 
(edited a spelling mistake. can't find the 'edit' tab)

I see beardeddragons.co also sells 'Baytril'.

Irresponsible. Baytril is used as a 'last line' antibiotic. Indiscriminate use like this would end up in this very valuable antibiotic becoming useless. The same principle applies as to the deworming medication.

The principle is; when you give the wrong drugs at the wrong dose to animals that don't need that drug you are creating massive problems. For example, if your dragons is ill and you give it 'Baytril' but it doesn't have a bacterial infection all you are doing is creating 'baytril-resistant bacteria'. Your dragon gets over his illness but ends up getting a rspiratory infection 2 months later for some reason. Now you take him to the vet. The vet prescribes Baytril. But your dragon doesn't get better. You blame the vet. But your the idiot.

These drugs are scheduled for a very good reason.

In SA most anthelminthic drugs aren't sheduled medicine. This is why we are seeing so much resistance in worms.

Please do not abuse these drugs. Most dragons do not need deworming! If you see eggs on the feacal float this does not meet you must deworm.

I am making this post because in the long run it will save more dragons and it will save you money! If you end up with resistant Coccidia by treating every dragon that has coccidia 'eggs' in their feaces then this will happen in no time. You will be out of business in just as quickly!

Goodbye
 
(edited a spelling mistake. can't find the 'edit' tab)

I see beardeddragons.co also sells 'Baytril'.

Irresponsible. Baytril is used as a 'last line' antibiotic. Indiscriminate use like this would end up in this very valuable antibiotic becoming useless. The same principle applies as to the deworming medication.

The principle is; when you give the wrong drugs at the wrong dose to animals that don't need that drug you are creating massive problems. For example, if your dragons is ill and you give it 'Baytril' but it doesn't have a bacterial infection all you are doing is creating 'baytril-resistant bacteria'. Your dragon gets over his illness but ends up getting a respiratory infection 2 months later for some reason. Now you take him to the vet. The vet prescribes Baytril. But your dragon doesn't get better. You blame the vet. But your the idiot.

These drugs are scheduled for a very good reason.

In SA most anthelminthic drugs aren't sheduled medicine. This is why we are seeing so much resistance in worms.

Please do not abuse these drugs. Most dragons do not need deworming! If you see eggs on the feacal float this does not meet you must deworm.

I am making this post because in the long run it will save more dragons and it will save you money! If you end up with resistant Coccidia by treating every dragon that has coccidia 'eggs' in their feaces then this will happen in no time. You will be out of business in just as quickly!

Goodbye

(Also; 'you', 'him', 'her' etc doesn't apply to anyone. Just an example)
 
Yes , I will agree that not all dragons need deworming at the site of one or two eggs or ispora I had seen that a study showed that in small amounts the virus will not flourish nor harm the dragon and in some case the "diseases" will die and it also said that all dragons have a very small trace of coccidia in them that does not need to be treated I personaly would still monitor more closely to be sure there is no further growth by cunducting fecals every so offten.( Just to be on the safe side. )
 
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