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I was just wondering if someone could point me in the direction of some good beardie breeders or a site that lists most of the morphs with pictures. Thanks for your time.
 
When I first got into beardies I always enjoyed the Sundial Reptile site. I have not purchased from them, but Dana Pennebaker has a solid gold reputation and she was nice about answering some emails from me, so I would not hesitate to recommend the site.

There are a number of vendors here including Rebel Dragons etc. so I would do a search and browse around, and when you find some dragons you like the looks of, do a BOI search and see what other people have said about their experiences with the vendor.
 
Also, please realise that Beardie "morphs" are line bred. You breed a Snow x Snow, you're not 100% going to get Snow. I made that mistake when I got into Beardies...I'm used to Corns where morphs are a cut and dry sorta thing...With Beardies, it's not. Each breeder will have different names for whatever "morph" they produce.
 
Thanks blckkat, I had no clue about that. I don't look to get any for the next few years. Probably four or so years haha. Thanks for the suggestions lucille.

David, chill man, I am asking here to get input on the best beardie breeders. A search will only show me the most 'hit' sites, I want suggestions from people who'd actually know.
 
Chris Steele said:
David, chill man, I am asking here to get input on the best beardie breeders. A search will only show me the most 'hit' sites, I want suggestions from people who'd actually know.
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Did you do a search? Maybe your own advice should be heeded.

Chris Steele said:
I need to look into things before posting.
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Also, why wasn’t Lucille told to "chill" as I was? She told you to "do a search and browse around", which is what I suggested.

lucille said:
There are a number of vendors here including Rebel Dragons etc. so I would do a search and browse around, and when you find some dragons you like the looks of, do a BOI search and see what other people have said about their experiences with the vendor.
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I'm curious. This is off topic but I really want to know.

What's the deal with David and Chris?

Being as how I am not here NEARLY as much as I used to I may have missed the start of this little broohaha.

Thanks in advance
 
Be wary of names, most breeders just make them up as they go along. I can cite specific examples but I don't want to point out anyone specifically. Go by what you see, not what they call it. Be wary of photoshopped pics, beardie breeders are the worst I've seen yet for faking pics. If the hand holding the animal is bright red you know someone fudged the pic. Also, be wary of those that show example pics from the clutch not individual pics.....there are usually such a wide variety in each clutch that you might see the holdback and think you are getting the best dragons but get something brown from the same clutch. If you're getting an example shot you may be getting what's left after they keep the holdbacks and sell the other high end dragons single for a lot more money. Here are a few examples from lines, these are of the same parents:

My girl Andune:

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A sibling:

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blckkat said:
Also, please realise that Beardie "morphs" are line bred. You breed a Snow x Snow, you're not 100% going to get Snow. I made that mistake when I got into Beardies...I'm used to Corns where morphs are a cut and dry sorta thing...With Beardies, it's not. Each breeder will have different names for whatever "morph" they produce.
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Could someone explain or give a link to help me to better understand beardie genetics.
 
It isn't going to be so cut and dry with beardie genetics unfortunately. You will have to do a lot of searching as there isn't any one source with a substantial amount of information pertaining to this subject. Believe me because I have tried. A lot of dragon breeders are less likely to divulge information than say a gecko breeder on how to obtain a certain color morph. Of course that last comment was just my opinion and shouldn't reflect on how anyone else percieves things.
 
Hypopastel with clear nails- genetic

Anything else is selectively bred. Red plus red equals high percentage of reds plus other mixed in colors that are in the line. You can mix like colors or mix different colors to see what you come out with and sometimes the results will surprise you. Obviously the idea with selective breeding is to figure out what you want and shoot for it. If you want red keep taking the reddest dragons from each clutch and breeding them together down the line to get even more red, etc.
 
So if you got just an assortment of bearies you could end up with a lot of normals or an assortment with no real sure way to tell? If you bred two different colors together you could even get some of both in a clutch?

Thanks guys. So I understand that there is not a book the equivalent of "The Cornsnake Manual" for beardies? Why though are beardie genetics so hard to understand. Is it just that there is no real definate pattern to the color genetics?
 
Beardie morph genetics are difficult to understand because they are not cut an dry. Their are 2 recessive genetic morphs that I know of (Hypopastel w/ Clear Nails and Marketed Luecs - or are they one and the same???).

All other morphs are line bred...Which means they breeding generation after generation to produce a select color...and it is not guaranteed to reproduce. You could breed a Red to a Red and produce NO Reds.

Here's an example if you understand cornsnake morphs...

Candycane and Reverse Okeetee are line bred Amels...
Okeetee and Miami are line bred Normals...

You can breed Candycane x Candycane and get a few Candycane offspring, but you're not guaranteed...Because it's not a recessive mutation...
 
I also wanted to add...If you breed Candycane x Amel...You are weakening the genes that cause the Candycane coloration...and are even MORE unlikely to produce Candycanes...
 
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Their are 2 recessive genetic morphs that I know of (Hypopastel w/ Clear Nails and Marketed Luecs - or are they one and the same???).
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Same thing, though some people seem to think they are not. Though they must wonder why when the breed a market leucistic to a hypopastel with clear nails they get clear nailed offspring. The same gene creates both, market leucistics have just been selectively breed to reduce color and end up with a more white dragon. But as with all selective breeding you aren't guaranteed to have offspring that all resemble the parents. You also get ones like mine that start very high with with little/no color and develop nice rich color as they get older. The colors look great without melanin to get in the way and muddy them up.
 
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