Beware adds from the One stop Pet shop!

[DavidButton]

Well you guys will ove this. I saw this add on Kingsnake.com>

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Adult Columbian & Fire Belly Redtails. $99.00 ea!
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We have 2.1 adult Columbian & Fire belly redtails left. Eating great on F/T or live Lg rats weekly. Approx. 5 ft long. Tame.
$99.00 ea Plus shipping $29.99 fedex nextday. All animals are packed with 60 hr heat packs. And are next day after payment is secured. Thanks Jonathan One Stop Pet Shop Inc.

We gladly accept the following.... Money orders
Visa
Check cards
Discover card
1.1 Colunbian 1.0 Firebelly Hounduras Master card
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So I replied to the add asking if thy had any pictures of the Fire Belly boa because I wanted to buy it.

I got back an e-mail that said>

I dont currently have pics. I do guarantee all animals. Thanks Jonathan

So I sent him this e-mail>

Here, this is the type of fire belly that I am looking for and the only type I am aware of. They come from the island of Roatan off the coast of Honduras. Does yours look anything like this>

And he sent me back an e-mail saying>

Looks identical to the one you sent, my male is about 4 feet in length eating live or F/T sm - med rats. Thanks Jonathan Give me your zip to find accurate shipping cost..

And I replied to his e-mail with this>

My zip is 78247, San Antonio, Tx. I would really prefer to see a picture of the snake before I send any money though. I don’t mean to be a pain in the ass or anything, but you just can’t be too careful in this business of buying snakes online. I have been keeping reptiles for 30 years and this would be the first one that I have ever bought without holding it and looking at it up close before I bought it. And I don’t think a picture is really too much to ask for. Other than that I will buy him.

David


And he replied with this e-mail>

dont have a photo at this time, it will be Friday before Im back in the shop. But I guarantee you will love this fire belly. If he is still there when I get back I will send a photo. He is in our store front and on kingsnake aswell as fauna classifieds. Thanks Jonathan

I thought that Friday was not a long wait so I sent him this>

I guess I will wait till Friday then. Once again, I am sorry for being a pain in the ass about this. But as soon as I get a picture I will send you the money over night. That is not a problem. I will just check back on Fri. then. Have a good one.



David

Well I got up this mornign and had an e-mail from Jonathan saying that the fire belly had been sold over night and was no longer available. So I sent him this e-mail>

Sorry to hear that, but good for you I am sure. I just didn’t want to get the wrong snakes for my breeding project. There are boas from the Honduran mainland that they call “Fire belly” that only get about 3ft. long max. They have fairly orange bellies and are nice snakes. Then there are the boas from the island of Roatan off the Honduran coast which have the brilliant red bellies like the one in the picture I sent you. They get to about 6-7ft. and are a bit different from the ones on the mainland in pattern too. The Roatan boas are what I have been looking for, but all I have found so far are the ones from the mainland.

So if this sale doesn’t go through for some reason please let me know. I am still interested in that male.

David






So when I went back to Kingsnake.com later I was suprised to see that he had reposted the add about an hour before he had e-mailed me saying that the snake had been sold.
So me being the suspicious person I am and having my own mail server I set up another e-mail address under a different domain and sent an e-mail asking about the snake>

elow is a copy of the mesage you sent to One Stop Pet Shop Inc.

I am interested in your fire belly boa. How old is it and is that the male?

Thomas

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And I recieved this e-mail>

Yes that is the male. He is about 4 feet long and almoct 2 tears of age. Thanks Jonathan

Well I thought this was quite strange so I sent back this>

Cool, my bro and I saw one on a boa forum and thought it was the nicest looking boa we had ever seen. Do you have a picture of your male? I would really like to get it to breed with my female bci. I really like the fire red belly on them. Thanks.



Thomas

To which he replied>

Unfortanetly we do not have photos at this time, we were going to take but weve sold all but one male. And I belive it has been sold also. The buyer will get back at me by today. Have not herd from him. If you want him hes yours Satisfaction Guaranteed... Thanks Jonathan


Now this is where it gets funny, and I don't mean the kind of funny you laugh at. I mean the kind of funny where you want to take a stick and whoop some ass.
So I sent him this e-mail>

Well my brother said he would not give me his half of the money for the snake without a picture. So I guess we won’t get him. If the buyer you said you have doesn’t get him could you maybe e-mail me a picture? I sure would like to get him.

David

To which he repies>

Sure no problem. Thanks Jonathan

Then I get another e-mail from him right after with this>


I do have a photo of the larger female from our breeder stock. Here she is, the other are most identical Thanks Jonathan

Now I don't know who this idiot thinks he is fooling, but you can bet that he didn't even know what a Fire Belly looked like until I sent him that picture last night. The picture by the way is from here originally
http://www.boa-constrictors.com

On their Firebellies page!

I really wanted that snake, but got suspicious of the guy because he was so cagey about having a picture. Then I got pissed when I saw the add was back up after he had told me that he had sold it. So beware of this guy and his One Stop Pet Shop. I have all the e-mails for proof if he ever surfaces to dispute this too.


David Button

 

[DavidButton]

Oops, I screwed up the last part with the picture he sent me with the e-mail claiming that this was one of his breeder females. It was this one>

Which of course was the exact one that I had sent him the nigt before and he was now useing to try and say that it was one of his boas. ANd the funny thing is that he says that this is one of his breeder females and the day before he had said that he had gotten the snake on a trade. What an ass!


David Button

 

[jmkhet]

Yeah thats messed up man!Wow!Hey at least you caught him in the act and posted your experience, god i love the BOI!Good luck in your search for a firebelly. Josh McDermott

 

[jmkhet]

Lol, ya know whats funny i saw that ad on Kingsnake, and thought wow thats awfully cheap for a firebelly lol.What a joke!

 

[ChaosCat]

To my knowledge, the owner of the snake in the photo would never "trade" it to anyone, and babies from that line go for more than $99!!!

 

[DavidButton]

Well after he sent me a picture of "his" female breeder I sent him an e-mail still posing as "Thomas" that was pretty strong>

You sorry piece of <font color=red>[**censored**]</font>! That is the picture that is on www.Boa-constrictors.com. Who do you think you are fooling? I am going to report you to every snake buyer and seller on all the online classifieds for this one. You must be stupid if you thought you could pass that off as “Your breeder female” . You have got to be the dumbest person I have seen trying to rip people off on kingsnake.com yet. Go get a life! And a job for that matter, because you aren’t smart enough to be a crook.

Thomas


And got this in return>

was showing the pic.the as a reference. I dont appreciate the profanity. I have been a sponser for kingsanke for 6 yrs and never have I delt with a child like your self.
[email protected] has beem reported for PROFANITY affilation on kingsnake.

This site is NOT for children. .... One Stop Pet Shop Inc.


Well he sure told me! Funny since I am a 39 year old man. And also funny that he reported me for my misconduct. LOL
And I also niticed that all 11 of his adds are gone too. Hmmmmm?

I sent him this e-mail in reply to his last one>

Then why did you say that it was a picture of your female?

“I do have a photo of the larger female from our breeder stock. Here she is, the other are most identical Thanks Jonathan “

I am not a child, I am a 39 year old man that knows when someone is trying to scam him, nd if you had just showed me a picture of the actual snake it would not have been a problem. But instead you tried to fool me. And by the way, if you have been on kingsnake.com for 6 years then why does it say “Registered PetHobbyist User since 2004-08-04” ??? That doesn’t look like 6 years to me. What it comes down to is that you were wrong to try to fool somebody and you got caught. Hell, I would still buy the snake if you actually had one that looked like the one in the picture. But somehow I doubt that you do.

Thomas


I am waiting for his reply to that one now. It gets more interesting each time he e-mails me.


David

 

[dmasio]

Heres a link to somone who inquired about this guy not to long ago. He wanted to trade me a female woma for my female albino boa but couldnt get me a pic his last name or a phone number so I broke it off right there. Ive been taken once before and do my darnest not to let it happen again. But there is a person on this link who I guess aquired some of the fire bellies not the island locales that you wanted but themainlands. Hope it helps
Thanks Damian Macioce

 

[dmasio]

OOOOpppppsss forgot the link here ya go

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread/t-56529.html

 

[DavidButton]

I think you forgot the link, but i did see that someone had done business with them and gotten their snake. I am too suspicious now though. Especially since he said that he had been selling on there for 6 years and is said he was registered since Aug. of this year. Something fishy about that like he has changed his name a few times.


David

 

[raiquee]

I wouldn't send money either. If hes that iffy about showing a picture, than he doesn't have it.

Plus on the website, doesn't it state their are only 4 available? Well, then the price should have tipped you off

I hope people start breeding these guys like mad tho, they are GORGEOUS.

 

[LOSTNCONFUSED]

WELLlet me share my experiences

although i cant comment on the above dealing i can relay my own good experiences with johnathanI compleated a deal with johnathan last week and i couldnt be happier . i had made a request for info but couldnt get any info one way or another so i called him and after speaking with him on the phone for a hour i felt comfortable doing the deal seeing as it wasnt for alot of money ($254) this is what he told me that he had main land honduran fire bellies i know that the only true fire bellies are the rotans and the bahia islands but i have also heard the main lands refferd to as such in petstores which is exactly what onestop is he never tried to decieve me so i went ahead and paypaled him the money and asked if i could have them shipped the same day he said he would try seeing as it was already late in the day well about 1 hour later he calls me and gives me a tracking number for my 2 snakes they arrived the next morning and when i opend the box i was amazed at the quality for the price they were stunning 1 very nippy but amazing adult mainland honduran female and a amazing adult female nicaruaguan boa in shed the deal went smoth the animals are top notch i look foward to doing business with johnathan again and will recomend him to all who ask me it is verywell possible that he did sell the above stated animal to someone like myself who decided to take a chance i really dont know i can only comment on my deal with him here are the pics of the honduran i received from him oh and the nose rub in the first pic was done in my care from her stricking the glass of her cage in case you were wondering and isnt as bad as it looks

 

[DavidButton]

Well things have toned down a bit now and I recieved this from Jonathan>

I will take actual photo of him tomarrow. I will send it in a attachment. The program is photo suit. Jonathan



Immediatly followed by this>

If seriously interested I will send you this male COD. You must have trust in that.

$99.00 for the snake and $39.00 shipping plus $7.50 cod charge Total. $145.73



And I replied with this>>

That sounds fine. Let me look at the picture and I will send you back an e-mail and let you know I an ready for shipment. $145.73 sounds fine. I will await your pics.

Thomas


SO now I will wait for him to send me an actual photo of the snake and if it is what he says it is then I will gladly accept it COD and gladly pay the $145.73 for it.

David

 

[reptilebreeder]

The OP shows where they sent him a picture of an animal that was clearly not their's. One day he is telling someone that he doesn't have any photos, he then turns around and sends the exact same photo to someone else (well, the same person, but he thought it was someone else) and states that it is a picture of the animal he is selling. This is outright fraud, and missrepresentation (ie. he can't use the old "I accidently posted the wrong photo" excuse that these people always use, because the photo was just sent to him.)

LostnConfused, you got some nice animals for the price, but I myself still wouldn't "recommend him to all who ask" If I ordered from someone and got a great deal, but I saw that they were doing something that seemed unethical, there is no way I would recommend them to my friends or anyone who asked. But, maybe that's just me, I may be too paranoid, because some of the first things about some of the biggest crooks in the field (Lawson) were that they were found to be using stolen, and/or retouched photos to missrepresent their animals.

JMHO

 

[LOSTNCONFUSED]

well

i would recomend him because and just because of my dealings with him. unlike most on this board i dont try, convict, and hang a person without hearing his side of the story. now im not saying anything about david, but i dont know him and have never done business with david ,so i cant attest to everything he is saying as the truth. therefore as of now i can only go by my past dealing with johnathan which i judge to have been more than satisfactory. let me ask this question: has anyone even contacted johnnathon to get his side of the story? why dosent someone go ahead and to that before we formulate a opinion and attempt to hurt a mans business and livelyhood!

 

[reptilebreeder]

Re: well

i would recomend him because and just because of my dealings with him. unlike most on this board i dont try, convict, and hang a person without hearing his side of the story.

Fair enough. Like I said maybe I'm just too paranoid from several years ago when altered photos were the first hook in the side of some of the biggest thieves in the herp hobby.

My standards must be to high, because even the OP who had this "alleged" fraudulent/missrepresented occurance, still is willing to buy from the person, so who am I to say.

 

[jmkhet]

Hey David B, id be interested in seeing this 99 dollar firebelly...should post pics when you get em...if you dont mind that is....Josh McDermott

 

[LOSTNCONFUSED]

i already did post pictures of one that i received from

johnathan and already explained that they were mainland hondurans( that are also refferd to as firebellies by non boa enthusist ie petshops and importers and such) not the island form

 

[gfisher2002]

Hey COD, who can argue with that. Not much risk involved.

 

[Linda Demadura]

So David, what happened?? Did Jonathan ever send a picture of the actual boa? Did he send it to you COD?? What did the boa look like??

 

[DavidButton]

Nothing ever happened. He sent me an e-mail this past Friday the 26th stating>

I will be in Atlanta this afternoon. When I return to the shop I will get photos. Thanks Jonathan


And so far I have not heard anything. I sent this yesterday the 29th>


Just thought I would check and see if you had been to your shop yet.


Thomas

And have gotten no reply thus far. So that is all I know right now. I have noticed that he doesn't have any adds up on Kingsnake at this time so maybe he is busy or something


David