• Posted 12/19/2024.
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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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    In short, DON'T! Email notices are to ONLY alert you of a reply to your private message or your ad on this site. Replying to the email just wastes your time as it goes NOWHERE, and probably pisses off the person you thought you replied to when they think you just ignored them. So instead of complaining to me about your messages not being replied to from this site via email, please READ that email notice that plainly states what you need to do in order to reply to who you are trying to converse with.

"Beyond Good and Evil"

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Those that like philosophy might enjoy reading Nietzsche’s book “Beyond Good and Evil”. In that classic piece the author states something that goes like this: “When you deal daily with monsters you have to be careful not to become a monster yourself”, immediately followed by “If you look to long into the abyss, the abyss looks back into you”. This is the danger faced by those that don’t so some serious introspection of their attitudes every now and then. Regrettably this attitude has been and is currently being reinforced. How? through karma. Karma is a well intentioned idea but regrettably misused by a lot of people. High karma means high impact among peers and not necessarily good guy. Regrettably lots of folks love drama and will reward ruthless behavior. The problem with ruthless behavior is that for it to maintain its effectiveness the poster has to escalate it constantly. Similarly he/she also has to spread karma around among those that like his/her posts. Thus it is essential for the poster to know who rewarded him/her. In short the system rates individuals according to popularity which doesn’t necessarily mean good guys. We all know popularity can go either way. But in general and due to human nature people like ruthless, outrageous posters who shake them to their very core. Karma is about power, the more you have the more powerful individuals with low self esteem feel. Of course, they are “valued” above their peers. People can rob lots of things, snakes, but also human respect and dignity. When you rob a person of the latter there’s no incentive for them to improve. If redemption is impossible what do they have to lose? Why attempt to improve if nothing they do is good enough? Just remember “When you deal daily with monsters you have to be careful not to become a monster yourself”, and If you look to long into the abyss, the abyss looks back into you”. Just some ramblings from an old poster, happy karma everyone! :eek:
 
But in general and due to human nature people like ruthless, outrageous posters who shake them to their very core.

Dan, I respectfully question your 'givens'. I like to think that many of my posts are quiet and thoughtful. I don't go around shaking cores. I think that this is a unique board with some strong individuals here, no doubt about that; but I think that people reward those who take the time to think through issues and say something about those issues that makes sense. Just my perspective, you are entitled to yours.
 
Those that like philosophy might enjoy reading Nietzsche’s book “Beyond Good and Evil”. In that classic piece the author states something that goes like this: “When you deal daily with monsters you have to be careful not to become a monster yourself”, immediately followed by “If you look to long into the abyss, the abyss looks back into you”. This is the danger faced by those that don’t so some serious introspection of their attitudes every now and then. Regrettably this attitude has been and is currently being reinforced. How? through karma. Karma is a well intentioned idea but regrettably misused by a lot of people. High karma means high impact among peers and not necessarily good guy. Regrettably lots of folks love drama and will reward ruthless behavior. The problem with ruthless behavior is that for it to maintain its effectiveness the poster has to escalate it constantly. Similarly he/she also has to spread karma around among those that like his/her posts. Thus it is essential for the poster to know who rewarded him/her. In short the system rates individuals according to popularity which doesn’t necessarily mean good guys. We all know popularity can go either way. But in general and due to human nature people like ruthless, outrageous posters who shake them to their very core. Karma is about power, the more you have the more powerful individuals with low self esteem feel. Of course, they are “valued” above their peers. People can rob lots of things, snakes, but also human respect and dignity. When you rob a person of the latter there’s no incentive for them to improve. If redemption is impossible what do they have to lose? Why attempt to improve if nothing they do is good enough? Just remember “When you deal daily with monsters you have to be careful not to become a monster yourself”, and If you look to long into the abyss, the abyss looks back into you”. Just some ramblings from an old poster, happy karma everyone! :eek:

Interesting post. I suppose it could be interperated in several ways.

One might wonder if your life is in order.

If redemption is impossible what do they have to lose?

Some believe that nothing is impossible, so if you give up, you have defeated yourself. I believe redemption is always possible, but some may have to work at it harder than others. I think everyone will agree, life isn't fare.

Why attempt to improve if nothing they do is good enough?

Who sets the standards? Do you set your standards, or do you let someone set those standards for you? If you set your own standards then it's you who decides what is or isn't good enough. If someone else is setting the standards, and they are too high, then you have to ask why. If they are unreachable, then you move on.

Regrettably this attitude has been and is currently being reinforced. How? through karma. Karma is a well intentioned idea but regrettably misused by a lot of people. High karma means high impact among peers and not necessarily good guy. Regrettably lots of folks love drama and will reward ruthless behavior. The problem with ruthless behavior is that for it to maintain its effectiveness the poster has to escalate it constantly. Similarly he/she also has to spread karma around among those that like his/her posts. Thus it is essential for the poster to know who rewarded him/her. In short the system rates individuals according to popularity which doesn’t necessarily mean good guys. We all know popularity can go either way. But in general and due to human nature people like ruthless, outrageous posters who shake them to their very core. Karma is about power, the more you have the more powerful individuals with low self esteem feel. Of course, they are “valued” above their peers.

Anything can be misused, and karma is no exception. Who decides what is or isn't abuse? You may view something as abusive, and someone else might see it as something that should be rewarded. Who's right, and who's wrong? If I give someone karma for a post, then I'm right, and on the other hand, if you don't give that same post karma, then you are right. You are assuming that if Jane Doe gives me karma, that I'm going to turn around and give her karma right back. That's not true, I have given out karma to people, and never gotten karma back from them, and I have gotten karma from people, and have not given it back to them. So to say that karma is based on the buddy system, is just false.

Drama is one of the things that makes life interesting. Every single person has some kind of drama in their life, in one form or another, some more then others. Look at how many people watch day time soap operas. Why do you mix ruthlessness and drama together? You can have one without the other. Sometimes people need to be shaken to their core, especially if their is a lot at stake. Depending on what it is, it could be costly if things go bad, and have a bad affect on other people lives. If you want to mess with your own life, go right ahead, but be careful if you mess with others. I don't know about others, but I don't make post's with the intentions of receiving karma, but if I do get karma, then I am thankful for it. I don't revolve around it, and it doesn't revolve around me.

“When you deal daily with monsters you have to be careful not to become a monster yourself”

Very true. And it can be a thin line to walk as well. It usually happens gradually, so it's not always easy to realise that you have become what you always set out to conquer. Eventually though, you will fall.

and If you look to long into the abyss, the abyss looks back into you”

I think for that to happen, you would have to be one lonely person.

This was fun. What's next?
 
Brian,

Similar with the reputation points of the past Karma does not exist but in the mind of those who seek it, it is just a system to rank individuals above others. Most people want to equate it with good guys which is a phalacy. High karma = popular replies; nothing more, nothing less, not good guys. An individual that wants to degrade another one just to make him/her feel more powerful is not a good person. It is just a person needing approval from the rest.

Who sets the standards? Do you set your standards, or do you let someone set those standards for you? If you set your own standards then it's you who decides what is or isn't good enough. If someone else is setting the standards, and they are too high, then you have to ask why. If they are unreachable, then you move on.

This is an interesting paragraph. Maybe you have noticed that several of the individuals with high karma are always complaining why so and so gave them bad karma. Guess why? They permanently monitor who agrees or not with what they say, and will post accordingly. They don't really speak their mind, they just look for rewards on popular posts. Please note this is not an attack on your person as you mentioned that you check your karma to see who gave you what. :)

Whats's next? :yesnod:
 
:rofl:This is fun!

First, I agree with Lucille and Brian... BUT you do give an interesting perspective.

So, should we all stay in the "tit" section and just give Karma to those stupid , fun-loving, adventureous,... etc (take your pick) enough to be swayed by peer pressure? This is another negative aspect of the Karma system, people that have contributed nothing of note (in my opinion) having high karma... let's just go into those sections and see who resides in them most often and how high their Karma is and the type of posts attributed to them? :rofl:

There is a buddy system, but imo (again) it usually exists among those that brought their friends in and they give it to each other for anything and everything including if someone complains about getting BK.

My experience is: BK is just a means to show either your support or disagreement of a post without having to post and possibly take the subject off topic. It's also a way to show someone that (in your opinion) their post lacks logical merit or is personally abusive...etc... (whatever your reasons may be).

I don't see Karma as a POPULARITY gauge....But that's just me. I see it as a feedback gauge on whether or not our posts are read and understood by those whom we consider peers, whether they think our arguments are logical and concisely laid out.:shrug01:

Brian,

Similar with the reputation points of the past Karma does not exist but in the mind of those who seek it, it is just a system to rank individuals above others. Most people want to equate it with good guys which is a phalacy. High karma = popular replies; nothing more, nothing less, not good guys. An individual that wants to degrade another one just to make him/her feel more powerful is not a good person. It is just a person needing approval from the rest.



This is an interesting paragraph. Maybe you have noticed that several of the individuals with high karma are always complaining why so and so gave them bad karma. Guess why? They permanently monitor who agrees or not with what they say, and will post accordingly. They don't really speak their mind, they just look for rewards on popular posts. Please note this is not an attack on your person as you mentioned that you check your karma to see who gave you what. :)

Whats's next? :yesnod:
 
Anything that can be abused WILL be abused by human beings. It's not the system nor the tools that are the problem, it's some sort of defect in human nature that is the problem. Why do you think we have rules and moderators to enforce them? A whole section of code dedicated to infractions? Hell, for that matter, why do we have virus programs on our computers and firewalls on servers?
 
:rofl:This is fun!
:shrug01:

:I don't see Karma as a POPULARITY gauge....But that's just me. I see it as a feedback gauge on whether or not our posts are read and understood by those whom we consider peers, whether they think our arguments are logical and concisely laid out.
:shrug01:

Well, maybe you haven't been here long enough to know what and who we are referring to. But I bet Rich knows. It's funny to hear people saying they are not posting for the karma and then complain that so and so left them bad karma. :rolleyes: But it's OK, if you feel it's not about popularity...The point being made is that high karma is not a synonymous of good person/good guy...
 
Remember, some of the worst Bad Guys have had some of the highest Karma.
 
Remember, some of the worst Bad Guys have had some of the highest Karma.

My point is that Karma can't/shouldn't be used as a determination factor on who's good or bad or popular. It's for the QUALITY of posts.

But anyone else is free to interpet Karma as being used to show who is a good guy or not.
 
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Remember, some of the worst Bad Guys have had some of the highest Karma.

Trust me, that fact had me scratching my head many a time. How the heck are you supposed to try to direct a site like this based on what YOU want when it appears that the the ones most liked and appreciated (according to karma ratings) by the membership are 180 degrees out of phase with the program? It had me wondering just how far out in right field I was with what I wanted this site to be. Honestly I'm still not sure, but after trying every way I could think of to run this place, I just gave up trying to figure out what everyone else apparently wanted and decided to make it what I want, regardless. That will either work or it won't from here on out. It's just not possible to give everyone exactly what they want anyway. Not that someone wouldn't complain even about that...
 
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