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Not sure if anyone has seen a thread on the other forum but someone just posted pictures of a citrus pastel desert sitting on eggs and candled good. What makes this more interesting is that the citrus pastel desert in question came from Amir. Of course there are some saying that its not a desert and some saying its not a pastel.....there again Amir is new at this right:D

I think no matter what the outcome is, it will be a very interesting reading for the next two months! Of course it comes as I just sold the most amazing desert Mojave female CHEAP today:ack2:

For my two cents........I hope it pans out and is legit because even though the morph will never recover the loss, people will start making incredible combos with it. I still love how much they clean up the combos. Get back to the snake for its beauty over its profit making ability:thumbsup:
 
The other big ball python forum that is a .net not a .com.......don't think they like it if we put it on here.
 
Orlandoflor said:
cool! can i ask what forum is it in?
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Pm has been sent containing the link.

Now as for the situation with the calico pastel desert female. Amir has confirmed that she is in fact desert. However, this brings up a major concern in the industry I believe. It was not only a risky move on the breeders part, but a not so smart move to release the information just yet. There are far too many breeders out there that are just in this for the $$$. That will lead to a lot of risky breeding in the coming months. I love producing awesome animals just as much as the next person but not at the expense of my animals. In my opinion its just a tad bit irresponsible. Granted someone has to do it but don't go showing off like that. Yes, congrats to the guy for producing a good clutch. Not being a donnie downer here just stating an opinion. I would hate to see a bunch of people start pimping out their desert girls just because it's been done once.
 
Where I do agree with you Tonya, there are still a lot of unanswered questions. For one, the snakes that died.....we're they power fed and bred too early? One guy had bred a couple of them successfully in Florida. When he started to post he was met by everyone giving him crap so he quit trying. We must remember that the biggest chance these animals had of being proven as fertile burnt to the ground and they all died. I have heard theories from age, temps, outbreeding, to further generations being able to produce. There is one species that slug out every first clutch then lay viable clutches. Could the ones that died be because the breeders bred them at sub 1500 grams at less than two years old? Maybe they need to mature more or be 2000 grams plus? I do agree that no snakes should be harmed but some will have to try at some point. I do hope they wait until it is older and bigger as if I was going to try I would.
 
I must say again here, it's been shown multiple times that Desert's are NOT infertile. They never have been. The issue is in the twisted, corrupt oviducts.

Size shouldn't matter, number of genes definitely won't matter, (obviously, the female who just laid the eggs is technically just a 2 gene animal. "Pastel Desert". Citrus just throws the random whiteouts so I don't really consider it another gene)
Adding genes, putting on weight, doing a rain dance, etc. will NOT un-corrupt the oviducts.

So, my guess here, would be that this guy just found a lucky Desert girl. Does this mean there could be more out there? Of course, but the problem is going to lie within all the people who irresponsibly try to find those Desert girls.

The thread also says this girl was around 1600 grams when he paired her. 1600g surly isn't BIG enough to 'change' anything internally. MANY others have tried breeding's at or around 1600g. I've heard the idea of size making a difference a few times, I'm just not buying that being the case here considering this girls average size when she was bred.

Personally, I don't think anything will un-corrupt the oviducts of effected females.
I think people are bound to get lucky sooner or later.
I've also heard about the guy in FL. IF it is true, then that means there has been 3-5 clutches ever. Maybe. Which is better than 0, but still so far away from me thinking anyone has "figured" anything out.

Nothing special was done here. No heat changes, no size difference, no lengthy time for maturing, etc. As of now, all signs point to a guy getting lucky. Nothing more, nothing less.

We'll see how things unfold from here, I'm sure there are bound to be other twists somewhere down the line.

Just my $0.02.

I still say Damn!!! I wish Deserts were issue free. They are SMOKING hot by themselves and in every (?) combo I have ever seen.
 
tbgnc22 said:
However, this brings up a major concern in the industry I believe. It was not only a risky move on the breeders part, but a not so smart move to release the information just yet. There are far too many breeders out there that are just in this for the $$$. That will lead to a lot of risky breeding in the coming months.
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Those people have been and will continue to breed desert females anyway, I personally know several who were doing so before this news. OTOH one viable clutch from one particular female is not enough for me, and I would suspect many others, to take on the risks associated with breeding a desert female.
 
I think out of this the best post is Amanda's. I am glad to see she has kept up with more of the talk about it. I quit reading because of everyone only caring about money over beautiful snakes. I had all of my deserts at the show yesterday because I don't have room for them and sold the females as pets only because they are infertile. Now today thanks to her I have a better explanation for people as to why they cannot breed. Where I will not be able to stop anyone from rolling the dice and trying, this gives me more of an explanation for people to just how serious it is for them to not try and breed them. I'm glad someone stayed with it. I think everyone should find that karma button for her to show some appreciation.
 
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