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Boa with pied markings
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dhserps
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wounds/sores
it likes healed deep scares if it was pied het it wouldnt show any of the markings showing the marks means homo thats a normal boa
it likes healed deep scares if it was pied het it wouldnt show any of the markings showing the marks means homo thats a normal boa
In regards to DHserps, I guarantee that the white spots are not "healed deep scares." The spot are part of the snakes pattern, and may or may not have offspring with the same or more white on them. As far as I know, no one has breed a boa with these spots. If anybody does know more about these marking please let me know.
Thank you
Here's another pic
Thank you
Here's another pic
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Clay Davenport
Cerebral Nomad
Out of curiosity, how do you guarantee the spots are not scars? In your other post here http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46622 you state this:
In all honesty it does look exactly like healed burns. I've seen it myself and the marks are identical, a white patch with a discolored ring around it. A slight burn doesn't do it, but a deep burn does. The white spot appears within 1-2 sheds after the burn occurs, in the spot where the scales were seriously damaged.
I'd like to see the same snake after half a dozen sheds.
As far as being het for pied, those marks do not suggest that at all. A snake that is het for anything looks completely normal, that's the nature of it, the carrier of a recessive gene cannot also display that gene without being homozygous.
That being the case, since it is displaying white spots, it's either pied or it's not, het is not an option.
Regardless, it is my opinion that that snake was injured at some point, and those marks are of no genetic significance.
Since you only got her recently, did you also get pictures of her as a neonate possessing these marks? That would be the determining factor really.
In all honesty it does look exactly like healed burns. I've seen it myself and the marks are identical, a white patch with a discolored ring around it. A slight burn doesn't do it, but a deep burn does. The white spot appears within 1-2 sheds after the burn occurs, in the spot where the scales were seriously damaged.
I'd like to see the same snake after half a dozen sheds.
As far as being het for pied, those marks do not suggest that at all. A snake that is het for anything looks completely normal, that's the nature of it, the carrier of a recessive gene cannot also display that gene without being homozygous.
That being the case, since it is displaying white spots, it's either pied or it's not, het is not an option.
Regardless, it is my opinion that that snake was injured at some point, and those marks are of no genetic significance.
dhserps
New member
thanks
thank you clay
thank you clay
I couldn't agree more with Clay's words. There have been 2-3 boas for sale with similar markings in the past, plus a couple of ball pythons. An offer of $1,000 for a pied boa? The day a true pied boa shows-up it will be at least 30K. A while ago the boa in the picture was also offered as something special.
STUPID PEOPLE
DANIEL YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOUR TALKIN ABOUT SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH. MY FRIEND RICK LEVEROCK HAS HET FOR PIED BOAS HE BRED HES PIED MALE COL. TO A 7 FT COL. AND HAD TWO LITTERS AND HE NOW THIS MAN YOU ARE DISSING, IF YOU HAD HALF THE BRAIN YOU THINK YOU HAVE YOU WOULD NO THAT HIS BOA IS A PIED BOA SO DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND READ A BOOK STUPID.
THANK YOU
BRYAN BEADLING "N" RICK LEVEROCK
DANIEL YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOUR TALKIN ABOUT SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH. MY FRIEND RICK LEVEROCK HAS HET FOR PIED BOAS HE BRED HES PIED MALE COL. TO A 7 FT COL. AND HAD TWO LITTERS AND HE NOW THIS MAN YOU ARE DISSING, IF YOU HAD HALF THE BRAIN YOU THINK YOU HAVE YOU WOULD NO THAT HIS BOA IS A PIED BOA SO DO YOUR SELF A FAVOR AND READ A BOOK STUPID.
THANK YOU
BRYAN BEADLING "N" RICK LEVEROCK
dhserps
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stupid?
your the only one here looking stupid saying your friend has had two litters of pied boas yeah i guess you riight im stupid clays stupid listen go get yourself a book oh who is this the poster partner in crime trying to scam someone matter of fact you want to be so brave i live in clearwater about twenty minutes from tampa with all these pied boas your friends producing is he gonna be set up in daytona opps mommy wont give him a ride so you guys probally cant go
your the only one here looking stupid saying your friend has had two litters of pied boas yeah i guess you riight im stupid clays stupid listen go get yourself a book oh who is this the poster partner in crime trying to scam someone matter of fact you want to be so brave i live in clearwater about twenty minutes from tampa with all these pied boas your friends producing is he gonna be set up in daytona opps mommy wont give him a ride so you guys probally cant go
ms_terese
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Bryan,
Will you or Rick please post pictures of the piebald Colombian?
Will you or Rick please post pictures of the piebald Colombian?
willykink
New member
i give everyone the benefit of the doubt, so, that being said, im in the tampa/st pete area and can come by anytime these pieds, or het pieds or whatever are available to be seen and im even getting a brand new sony digital to take quality pics with in the next day or two so with an invite and directions i can come over and snap a few pics of my own and post for everyone if thats ok with the original poster of this thread
just offering my peace making services,
just offering my peace making services,
giraffe_gal
New member
this all seems to confusing for me...
I have noticed A LOT of boas for sale lately with "white spots" or "white sections". I accept the fact that burns can and will cause identical spots. But that second photo looks awfully big to be a burn. Central Florida Reptile Breeders have tried to sell some babies they have with the same white markings. I agree with Clay, but why are there suddenly so many, and the second photo in here could that also be a burn? Just asking...
I have noticed A LOT of boas for sale lately with "white spots" or "white sections". I accept the fact that burns can and will cause identical spots. But that second photo looks awfully big to be a burn. Central Florida Reptile Breeders have tried to sell some babies they have with the same white markings. I agree with Clay, but why are there suddenly so many, and the second photo in here could that also be a burn? Just asking...
Thank you Bryan, I appreciate your input.
I know that an animal that is heterozygote carriers the gene, but does not show the signs of it. For a snake to be consider pie-bald, it must have 10% or more of the markings. My snake has about 2% of the markings. This would not be considered to be a pie-bald or a heterozygote for pie-blad.
I believe these spots to be part of the snake's natural pattern. A scar is special connective tissue that covers an abrasion on the body, that will lessen over time, but will never be completely healed. The way someone can tell if it is scar tissue is:
The skin will retain a differnt textureform the rest of the body.
The skin will become thick, tough, and less flexible.
The skin will be discolored.
The spots on my snake's skin has the same texture of the rest of its body. The spots are not thick, tough nor less flexible. Obversely, the skin is discolored.
To the best of my knowledge, these spots occur naturaly in this snakes pattern.
I will be at Daytona, with my boa on saturday only. Rick Knows a Repitle Vet from Miami that agreed to meet us in Daytona. He will look at his male and my Female spots and will decipher it from scar tissue. I will reply back once I get an answer.
I will not meet anyone to show my boa to. If Ricks wants to show his male, I'm sure he will reply. I have not seen his offspring yet. He is not claiming them to be anything, but the offspring of his male. We are hoping to prove this to be genetic.
I know that an animal that is heterozygote carriers the gene, but does not show the signs of it. For a snake to be consider pie-bald, it must have 10% or more of the markings. My snake has about 2% of the markings. This would not be considered to be a pie-bald or a heterozygote for pie-blad.
I believe these spots to be part of the snake's natural pattern. A scar is special connective tissue that covers an abrasion on the body, that will lessen over time, but will never be completely healed. The way someone can tell if it is scar tissue is:
The skin will retain a differnt textureform the rest of the body.
The skin will become thick, tough, and less flexible.
The skin will be discolored.
The spots on my snake's skin has the same texture of the rest of its body. The spots are not thick, tough nor less flexible. Obversely, the skin is discolored.
To the best of my knowledge, these spots occur naturaly in this snakes pattern.
I will be at Daytona, with my boa on saturday only. Rick Knows a Repitle Vet from Miami that agreed to meet us in Daytona. He will look at his male and my Female spots and will decipher it from scar tissue. I will reply back once I get an answer.
I will not meet anyone to show my boa to. If Ricks wants to show his male, I'm sure he will reply. I have not seen his offspring yet. He is not claiming them to be anything, but the offspring of his male. We are hoping to prove this to be genetic.
willykink
New member
of course you dont want to show it off
lol, i couldve placed a sizeable bet on that answer and made my next years car payments
lol, i couldve placed a sizeable bet on that answer and made my next years car payments
listen
no man i dont really have time i will be at daytona with eamonn and rich to get a vet to proof the pied boa we have, yea i'v been shipping snakes off all week i haven't had very much time.
thank you
bryan beadling
no man i dont really have time i will be at daytona with eamonn and rich to get a vet to proof the pied boa we have, yea i'v been shipping snakes off all week i haven't had very much time.
thank you
bryan beadling
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Clay Davenport
Cerebral Nomad
Esnake said:
Where exactly is this written? There's no minimum requirement of white to determine if an animal is pied. It either has the gene or it doesn't, there's no gray area. If it is homozygous for the pied gene then it's pied regardless of the degree the gene is expressed. It's the genetic condition that determines it, not the phenotype.
There have been a few pied balls hatch with no white at all on the lateral or dorsal surface, merely a white belly and the characteristic dorsal double striped pattern. These snakes were pied regardless and carried just as much chance of producing a 90% white snake as any other pied.
Now you say it's neither pied or het for pied, but in the other thread you started here http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46622
you titled the thread "Possible Het for pied Boa".
The determining factor remains unanswered. Was this snake born with those white spots? Pieds don't happen spontaneously.
Bill_Leverton
New member
Ok Lets just start off with this "is there such thing as a PIED BALD BOA"...second female Looks Awful familiar (the White Areas) I had a female that I had given to my son-in law in Ga last year with the same White Marks( from a Rabbit Bite) I wish I had keep the pictures... in turn when he got shipped off to Iraq he gave it to somebody in the Miami area so im just curious where did you pick this snake up? dont get me wrong but those white markings(scars) look awful close to a female I use to own JMHO
thats just a suriname
no i have not reseved pix from rick yet but if you want to see them we will be at daytona on sat getting them proofed by a vet so will see how are the stupid people and if it turns out it is scaring so be it we are stupid to but in the mean time shush it.
oo yea thats just my female suriname i wanted to show her off sorry.
thank you
bryan beadling
no i have not reseved pix from rick yet but if you want to see them we will be at daytona on sat getting them proofed by a vet so will see how are the stupid people and if it turns out it is scaring so be it we are stupid to but in the mean time shush it.
oo yea thats just my female suriname i wanted to show her off sorry.
thank you
bryan beadling
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