Boa with pied markings

[SSReptiles]

Bryan,
If your boa is pied, breed him back to his offspring, BUT what I hear, boa gene's are not that good when bred back to parents. But I could be wrong. If you do breed the boa back to offspring, maybe you MAY have something going on.
I have a female boa who has strang pink blotches on her head, I didn't call her anything. She's just a boa with weird marks on her head. With some offspring, will come out with neat markings. If your boa didn't proven out pied, then it's just a normal with neat markings.
Good luck if it proves out. To my understanding, I have never heard of a pied-bald boa.

 

[Seamus Haley]

I have a sneaking suspicion that I have seen this animal (the one pictured on page one) before... A very strong suspicion.

So I've got to ask... where did it come from?

I ask because I was in Las Vegas visiting a friend late last year when there was a call from an elderly gentleman who had a snake in his front yard that he wanted removed... Someone went out, picked it up... and it was this female boa with three white marks on her, each one surrounded by orange areas, two on one side of the body, the third on the other. She was cleaned up (although she was in good condition), checked a few times for parasites, fed a couple meals and then sold as a perfectly normal BCImutt adult animal (I *think* it was a hundred fifty bucks plus shipping when it was sold). IF it's the same animal... and it really does look like it, then the areas are NOT scars, noway nohow- the white areas had perfectly formed 100% normal scales. My suggestion was to try and keep her and see if it could be proven out as genetic (If it is a genetic trait and can be proven, with the potential for greater white areas, it's a high money morph), but the owner didn't want to get into boa breeding, having other profitable concerns and knowing the likelyhood (very low) of this having a genetic cause.

However... IF it's the same animal, then it's origins are totally unknown prior to the day it was found crawling through an elderly gentleman's lawn in Las Vegas. The genetics, if there is anything unusual in the genome and it's not just a deformity that arose as the animal developed, are completely unknown. Not every trait with a genetic cause is a simple recessive and not every phenotypical anamoly is genetic. Calling it het for anything shows an astoundingly poor understanding of mendelian genetics to start. If you're going to advertise it as het for something, you really should understand what the term means.

If it's the same animal though, I'll happily confirm that the white areas are not scars, burns or injuries. There's a definite pigment anomaly going on there. No claims can be made about the genetics, but if someone wanted to devote the time towards proving it out, it has the potential to be a big dollar morph. The likelyhood of the trait being genetic is pretty low, but that's the nature of gambling on unproven phenotypes.

 

[BURMGUY4EVER]

Pied eh?

I had a Boa shed out with some odd white spots which I suspect were from rubbing on a rock hide in his cage a while back. These pictures are from when they just happened, but when they healed they were almost identical to the white spots on this "Pied Boa". After about 5 sheds the spots were pretty much gone, and the Boa was back to normal color.

-Jesse Jelinek

 

[therock050283]

i dont think so either

My male red-tail got a fungal infection from the sudden high increase of the humidity from NC to here in Jax. I took him to the vet (Dr. John Rossi D.V.M) and he said the wounds would sluff off the snake when he sheds. The woulnds revealed deep wounds from where the snake had the infection, they are slowly going away but they are leaving white markinga also, like in the pic above, he is a perfectly health snake right now along with his
"PIED MARKINGS":laugh: where the wounds were, there are perfect scales bright white with orange, i have kept snakes since i was real little, and i will probly never see or hear of a pied boa for the rest of my life. so this pied crap is all an annoying thing, someone has to think they have something, right, i have a million dollars:laugh:

 

[Seamus Haley]

These pictures are from when they just happened, but when they healed they were almost identical to the white spots on this "Pied Boa". After about 5 sheds the spots were pretty much gone, and the Boa was back to normal color.

If it's the same animal I think it is, then the size, shape and clarity of the white spots hasn't changed in ten, maybe eleven months. I've contacted the person who sold the one which this reminds me of, I'm going to see if I can get some photos, if they still have any, from when the animal was advertised. I'm about 90% sure it's the same animal, so the photos should show an eleven month time difference with no change to the white areas... They were the same size and shape that I remember anyway.

Agaian, there's nothing that can be said about the genetics IF it's the animal I believe it is, because they are totally unknown, but the spots themselves IF it's the animal I believe it to be, are not scars, nor burns, not screwed up rubbed off scale patches. Give me a few days and I should know one way or the other if photos of the animal I saw in Vegas are still avaliable, if they are, I'll post them.

 

[Esnake]

Sorry I did not reply sooner, I have been helping to clean up after Hurricane Charley in Port Charlotte. Most places are still without power and clean water.

Because of Hurricane Charley, I was unable to go to Daytona. Rick did bring my snake to show to the Vet. The Vet said the markings on both boas are not scar tissue. Rick is having the Vet write up a statement for each boa claiming the markings are not scars, but are natural. The papers the Vet are writing are not claiming them to be pied or het for pied, just that the markings are natural. Rick nor I are claiming them to be pied or het for pied.

giraffe_gal Wrote:

Central Florida Reptile Breeders are selling a pair of(boas with light spots) They say they are siblings, and offspring to parents with the exact same markings.

According to Central Florida Reptile Breeders they have boas with similar markings that proved to be genetic.

Yes, It was the breeder Joe Terry of Miami. Rick is good friends with Joe.

Seamus Haley,
This very well may be the snake you saw in vagas. I bought this snake from Robert Harmon about three months ago. I believe he lives out west somewhere. He said he got her in a pet shop only because she is a circle back.

I will try to get pics of Rick's Boa. When I get the papers from the Vet I will post them. (not that I have anything to prove)

 

[Gotgecko]

Agreed. Scars!

 

[ms_terese]

The vet met us at joe tarries table and said that there is no scaring not on the white spots or any where else that it is pied but he did not no if it would be genitic with the first offsping
but we now that all ready he agead with us that if we breed a female from the offspring back to the father we would get pied boas.And he is printing up documention (paperwork)on both of the pied boas he is joe tarries personal vets.
thank you
and booya
bryan beadling

Eamonn, what you are telling us is very different than what Bryan told us. I think someone should provide some confirmation from the vet.

Rick nor I are claiming them to be pied or het for pied.

Initially, you did make a similar claim, and Bryan has made a definite claim about Rick's boa.

Eamonn and Rick may want to stop Bryan from speaking for them, as he has done repeatedly in this thread by signing their names to the posts as well as his own.

 

[jrreptiles]

The boa

To the reptile community here on Fauna, This is Rick Leverock. After being contacted by a close friend of all the statements filed here, I would lik to set the record straight. Bryan B has not been approved by me to have been making statements on here, and I am seeking any background available on the two boas at this time. If anyone has information like where she was purchased, who owned her at the time of the alleged rabbit bites or burns as well as contact information for that person, and how long ago did the alleged injury take place. Two reptile vets have inspected both boas and I am awaiting documentaion from both for their findings. I will be honored to provide this documentation to anyone regarding their concern based on their viewing with their opinions in a respectable manor and in deed most of you have. For those who were not respectable, you won't. Opinions in which are bad or good regarding the animal are in my opinion all o.k. and everyone has that right and I respect that. In regards to Brian, a war in here was started and Brian, you are not to bring Ammen's name or my name back into any subjects. People here are repectable and knowledgeable from what I read, and are only stating their views. Feel free, everone, to contact me at jrreptiles@myjoi. net, and I again apoligize about Brian's little war here.

 

[ms_terese]

Thanks for the clarification, Rick.

It's at the very least an intriguing project! I wish you the best of luck with both snakes, and hope you will keep us posted as to their breeding and offspring.

 

[Killer Ken]

I still think this is all the work of one person? I'm not going to get in the middle of it though. I will take my time and money somewhere else after all this crap. Don't get me wrong I hope it is infact a Pied Boa, I think with some work it could be as amazing looking as the Pied balls. But for now its just a normal boa with odd markings.

P.S.
WHY CAN"T ANY OF YOU SPELL WORTH BEANS, you guys must have had the same teachers in school. I thought ebonics was only over here in Oakland Ca.

So is it Bryan, Brian, or no Brains

Killer

Hmmmm raising rifle with this and keeping it locked and loaded
Blacklist - Jesse Underhill / Awesomeboas / JJsReptiles / Jon Larson

more interesting late night reading for you.
http://forum.redtailboas.com/index.php?board=21;action=display;threadid=2184;view=all

 

[GOLDENSERPENT]

Just my .02 Rick Leverock used to live in Miami. But I do know that he has or had alot of nice boas when he moved to pinellas park there in St Pete.
Alot of different types. I am sure the first person to show a piebald Ball python was told there was no such thing also but that does not mean that it does not or could not exist. Statistically unlikely but it could be.

Also I would think that you would not be able to see the scales if it were a burn, I might be mistaken but it does look like you can see full scales where the white colors are.
to the person that said the colors cant change on a boa.
I personally had a boa a long time ago that within one year its color completely changed from the normal columbian colors to a deep scarlet red all over. I was not up on morphs or even "Designer" anything back then just making a living and sold it for 200.00 thinking her just a pretty snake. And how about them Hogg Islands, they change color according to their mood, temperature, etc.
Give the guy a chance to prove himself.
I do think 1000.00 is too much but I believe worth is strictly a perceived notion. What is worth to one is not to another.

 

[Sand&SunReptile]

Defenitly a normal boa if you ask me. I'm betting its a kid, who's boa was attacked by a rodent, and now won't feed. Now he is trying pawn it off so he doesnt have to deal with it.

 

[jrreptiles]

Boa

Mike thank you for your input, alot of people thought the same and I was not sure either until I had my boa as well as amens boa checked by to reptile specialist vets. No one who has made replys on here has giving me proof of a alleged injury, if you have proof of a injury to either snake, please send it to me. At this time, I have gained proof from the National Reptile Vet from the Daytona Show as well as a highly respected reptile vet in Miami on both these animals that the markings were not caused by a injury. Now regarding the 1000 dollars, amen posted his up for that, and I never considered selling my male. Is it high like Jewell has said, I believe so too for being un-proven. I have both animals in my collection now and I will be working hard with them. I also have babies from my male to two normal apearance columbians. We will see if it is or not in a least two years, amens boa can not breed this season to find out. Any further questions mike regarding these animals, please feel welcome to e-mail me. Jewell, please e-mail me too, I miss you in Florida and would love to hear from you, mike and jewell, my e-mail is [email protected], all of you have a great day. Rick

 

[Seamus Haley]

Since this was bumped, the photos of the boa from Vegas no longer exist or aren't easily accessible enough to make it worth finding them.

I will still say however that I have seen boas with white markings, centered in an orange marking that did not appear like any other injury, scar or burn I have ever seen and appeared to be purely the result of some odd pigmentation. No idea what genetic basis may or may not have been present and calling anything het for pied is absurd unless it's a known genotype, but such markings do exist which are not scars.

 

[Skitals]

I only read about half this thread. I want to say that looking at the pictures my first thought was "scars" and still feel that way. I use to work at a pet store and say many sickly snakes (i realize you guys are around snakes all the time to, but not necessarily sick/scarred snakes like i have been). Well, its very charisteristic of a healed/healing burn/scar.

I also wanted to note that a vet could look at a single boa and classify it as pied. Pied, by definition, is not necesarrily genetic but simply the presence of the white scales. If any snake has abnormal white scales from birth, they are pied scales wether or not it is genetic.

Oh, and dont buy this sickly looking scarred snake. peace.