Boy Kills Giant Turtle

[homegrownherps]

So, what is "senseless hunting"? Hurry up, you can probably run to PETA's sight so that it does not involve you actually coming up with your own definition......

Griz

I belive I answered this several times

 

[Griz]

Sorry Jim, but you have proven yourself incapable of not only rational thought but also I simply do not trust your judgement in being able to handle the level of trust that comes with having my number.

Jim, it's real simple. You started this whole mess and when you get challenged on your belief system you simply run to various extreme websites to try and back your position up, thus avoiding any exertion of personal effort or thought. You have proven my point that your beliefs are not founded on anything that remotely resembles intelligent or rational thought.

I simply asked you some simple questions. You are right, you do not owe me a thing, nor I you. But, if you are going to come onto a public board and lamblast hunters, root for the death of hunters, then you are fooling yourself if you think someone won't challenge you.

The next time you want to state your opinions, make sure that you can at least intelligently defend them.

Griz

PS My size reference was simply so you would know what to look for. Not many people are my size thus making me very easy to pick out of a crowd. If I am ever at a reptile show in the east I will be sure to offer you a beer.

 

[Griz]

I belive I answered this several times

No you have not. You gave me an extremist websites wording of the number of animals that have been killed. You have NOT provided anything even resembling a definition.

Griz

 

[Mary-Beth is KoRny]

Hunting to feed your family, maybe a job would take care of that.

Instead of killing them for food why don’t you get a job to support your family, maybe you should have thought out how you would support them BEFORE HAND. People capable of working should not have to kill anything to feed their families...stop using that for your excuse. Now-a days animals are bred specifically to be used for food. I bet if you sell just one your guns you can put food on the table for a month.

If I had no other options, and if I absolutely had to - I would probably hunt too. I just prefer to work, and buy my food.

I wasn't going to post in this thread again, but I'm finding myself feeling very defensive when I read these arrogant comments.

You keep implying that people that need to hunt to feed themselves must be lazy because they could just get a job so they can buy their food. My husband hunts to help support us (and FYI I was on birth control pills when my daughter was conceived) and he WORKS VERY HARD. He's been looking for a better paying job for years, but there just isn't a position open for him around here. I'm constantly looking for a job too, but the only one's I'm qualified for wouldn't even cover the cost of day care for my daughter. So I clean houses and babysit every chance I get, sometimes I even manage to earn $75 a week!

Oh, and if we sold a gun we'd be able to feed our family for two weeks, but if we buy a $15 box of ammo we'll be able to eat hundreds of dollars worth of meat. The only thing we throw away are the hooves and the bones. Skins get cured, organs and blood are saved for fishing and crabbing bait.

BTW, baiting deer is illegal, at least in NC.

I think I've managed to say everything that's been boiling up inside me now.

 

[Griz]

I wasn't going to post in this thread again, but I'm finding myself feeling very defensive when I read these arrogant comments.

You keep implying that people that need to hunt to feed themselves must be lazy because they could just get a job so they can buy their food. My husband hunts to help support us (and FYI I was on birth control pills when my daughter was conceived) and he WORKS VERY HARD. He's been looking for a better paying job for years, but there just isn't a position open for him around here. I'm constantly looking for a job too, but the only one's I'm qualified for wouldn't even cover the cost of day care for my daughter. So I clean houses and babysit every chance I get, sometimes I even manage to earn $75 a week!

Oh, and if we sold a gun we'd be able to feed our family for two weeks, but if we buy a $15 box of ammo we'll be able to eat hundreds of dollars worth of meat. The only thing we throw away are the hooves and the bones. Skins get cured, organs and blood are saved for fishing and crabbing bait.

BTW, baiting deer is illegal, at least in NC.

I think I've managed to say everything that's been boiling up inside me now.

One more hour away and I can give you Karma!! Good post!

Griz

 

[homegrownherps]

No you have not. You gave me an extremist websites wording of the number of animals that have been killed. You have NOT provided anything even resembling a definition.

Griz

That's fine if you don't want to give me your number. The fact still remains I gave you mine, and you chose not to call. You would rather discuss this here to make sure look / feel better about yourself, rather than to discuss it in person.

It's real simple; as soon as you started posted you totally went off subject. When you started posted it became a personal attack on me. How is me not believing in people killing animals not rational? Come on, since when does anyone have to have scientific proof to justify what they believe. If that were the case all religion would considered irrational.

Rooting for the death of hunters... hmmm that is kind of extreme I said what if the animals shot back. You have a convenient habit of putting words in my mouth and twisting things to suite your ramblings.

The only reason people "your size" make a point of their size is when their trying to intimidate... which is a lot like a grizzly bear, which you so prominently use as your sign in. So, if you want people to really believe that you were mentioning that so I would recognize you, then you must think everyone is stupid.
If you really think you're going to be the only 6'6'280lbs at reptile show, then you haven't been to one lately. I stand behind the table at the shows making it very easy to find, all you would have to do is walk up and introduce yourself.

This conversation is getting so drawn out; I really do have better things to do with my time.

If you want to continue this further you are welcome to call me on the phone.

 

[homegrownherps]

I wasn't going to post in this thread again, but I'm finding myself feeling very defensive when I read these arrogant comments.

You keep implying that people that need to hunt to feed themselves must be lazy because they could just get a job so they can buy their food. My husband hunts to help support us (and FYI I was on birth control pills when my daughter was conceived) and he WORKS VERY HARD. He's been looking for a better paying job for years, but there just isn't a position open for him around here. I'm constantly looking for a job too, but the only one's I'm qualified for wouldn't even cover the cost of day care for my daughter. So I clean houses and babysit every chance I get, sometimes I even manage to earn $75 a week!

Oh, and if we sold a gun we'd be able to feed our family for two weeks, but if we buy a $15 box of ammo we'll be able to eat hundreds of dollars worth of meat. The only thing we throw away are the hooves and the bones. Skins get cured, organs and blood are saved for fishing and crabbing bait.

BTW, baiting deer is illegal, at least in NC.

I think I've managed to say everything that's been boiling up inside me now.

So what you all are saying that is every hunter out there, hunts legally and only hunts to feed their families? I don't think so.

I didn't say anyone was lazy...so same goes for you ... don't put words in my mouth.

I even said that that if I had hunt to feed my family, then maybe I would. I have never been in a position where I could not afford to feed my family.
And as I said before, I don't think all hunting is senseless.
And even if I had to hunt to feed my family I would still prefer to see them alive than dead. That is still my preference. You cant tell me every hunter out there has to hunt to feed their family because there is no other way !

(and FYI I was on birth control pills when my daughter was conceived)

what does that have to do with anything ?????

Oh, and if we sold a gun we'd be able to feed our family for two weeks, but if we buy a $15 box of ammo we'll be able to eat hundreds of dollars worth of meat. The only thing we throw away are the hooves and the bones. Skins get cured, organs and blood are saved for fishing and crabbing bait.

Now thats what I would say is NOT Senseless hunting.

 

[Mary-Beth is KoRny]

what does that have to do with anything ?????

Instead of killing them for food why don’t you get a job to support your family, maybe you should have thought out how you would support them BEFORE HAND.

Now I, too, question whether you're reading your words before you post them.

 

[Griz]

That's fine if you don't want to give me your number. The fact still remains I gave you mine, and you chose not to call. You would rather discuss this here to make sure look / feel better about yourself, rather than to discuss it in person.

It's real simple; as soon as you started posted you totally went off subject. When you started posted it became a personal attack on me. How is me not believing in people killing animals not rational? Come on, since when does anyone have to have scientific proof to justify what they believe. If that were the case all religion would considered irrational.

Rooting for the death of hunters... hmmm that is kind of extreme I said what if the animals shot back. You have a convenient habit of putting words in my mouth and twisting things to suite your ramblings.

The only reason people "your size" make a point of their size is when their trying to intimidate... which is a lot like a grizzly bear, which you so prominently use as your sign in. So, if you want people to really believe that you were mentioning that so I would recognize you, then you must think everyone is stupid.
If you really think you're going to be the only 6'6'280lbs at reptile show, then you haven't been to one lately. I stand behind the table at the shows making it very easy to find, all you would have to do is walk up and introduce yourself.

This conversation is getting so drawn out; I really do have better things to do with my time.

If you want to continue this further you are welcome to call me on the phone.

Jim, first off, thank you for running your email through Microsoft Word etc so that you could utilize the grammar/spell check tools. It made for a much more enjoyable and understandable post. For that I thank you.

I won't call you simply because I have stated my opinions from the get go, right here, in plain site for everyone to see. You have such a hard time grasping reality that you could very easily take my words and misconstrue them to the board. I won't allow you that privilege.

YOU, not anyone else, went off the deep end about a kid who was feeding his family. YOU, not anyone else, made it very clear that you wish little Bambi had the ability to shoot back. Would they be shooting at my binoculars Jim? Of course not. You made it very clear that you wish they could shoot the hunters thereby placing no value on the life of the human over that of Bambi. YOU, Jim, went off the deep end with regards to this debate.

Like I said Jim, if I ever get to a show on the east coast I will be sure to stop by. You know what to look for. Besides, isn't it you that has the signature of "If your gonna be stupid - You better be tough!". I really do not need to ask you which category of your signature you fall in since you do not know how to spell "your" (hint: it should be you're).

Jim, it still goes back to the issue that if you are going to get into a battle of the wits then make sure you are at least armed. Your gun is shooting blanks and your soapbox has fallen through. At least have the courtesy of being able to defend your stance.

Griz

 

[homegrownherps]

Now I, too, question whether you're reading your words before you post them.

I guess for you to take it so personal, you must feel guilty about some thing.

Why didn't you answer the rest of the questions?

 

[Griz]

So what you all are saying that is every hunter out there, hunts legally and only hunts to feed their families? I don't think so.

That is absolutely correct! If you do not hunt legally then you are not a hunter! How much more simple can we make it? Mcfly??

I didn't say anyone was lazy...so same goes for you ... don't put words in my mouth.

Yes you did. Don't you remember this?:

Hunting to feed your family, maybe a job would take care of that.

You are implying that if you are having a hard time feeding your family that you should go get a job. Not a better job, not a different job, but A JOB. Implying that the person in question is lazy and does not work. How soon we forget....

I even said that that if I had hunt to feed my family, then maybe I would. I have never been in a position where I could not afford to feed my family.
And as I said before, I don't think all hunting is senseless.
And even if I had to hunt to feed my family I would still prefer to see them alive than dead. That is still my preference.

How would you know what "senseless hunting" is since you have yet to define it!!!

You cant tell me every hunter out there has to hunt to feed their family because there is no other way !

I do not need to hunt in order to feed my family. I enjoy being part of nature, spending time in the woods, and I truly enjoy harvesting the animal. It's the thrill of the chase, it's the thrill of being able to provide for my family on my own terms, it's the thrill of knowing that I am using my talents and resources.

You see Jim, you and I are actually both hunters. I choose to "hunt" for my food on my terms and in the woods. You "hunt" for your food in a supermarket where you pay based upon their terms. The real difference here is that I choose to acknowledge this vs you casting dispersions upon people who do the same. You just don't realize which boat you are actually in.

Griz

 

[Mary-Beth is KoRny]

I geuss for you to take it so personal, you must feel quilty about some thing.?

I DO feel a little quilty, but I'm on a diet so...

Why did you answer the rest of the questions?

I didn't answer the rest of your questions because for every logical answer someone gives you, you come back with a different version of your same illogical answers.

 

[homegrownherps]

You people are going to twist what I say no matter what, so enjoy yourself.
I will believe in what I wish, even if you don't think I have good enough reason to.

Don't choke on any of that deer meat.

 

[Griz]

You people are going to twist what I say no matter what, so enjoy yourself.
I will believe in what I wish, even if you don't think I have good enough reason to.

Don't choke on any of that deer meat.

That's fine Jim. I do wish you nothing but the best. And, I hope that one day you will come to realize that it's not your belief system in question. It's how you derived at those beliefs. It's WHY you believe what you do. Simply saying, that's just how it is, does not cut it especially when some of your views are so contrary to rational thought.

Griz

 

[varnyard]

I will say one thing, and I am not taking sides here. But If hunters did not harvest some of the deer, then disease and starvation would kill most of the herds. Hunters keep the population in check. Years ago predators took care of over populations, but not now that most of the predators are gone.

However, alagator snappers are never going to over populate. Between reproducing too slow, and predation by varmints, it makes it not the best species for over populating.

 

[homegrownherps]

I will say one thing, and I am not taking sides here. But If hunters did not harvest some of the deer, then disease and starvation would kill most of the herds. Hunters keep the population in check. Years ago predators took care of over populations, but not now that most of the predators are gone.

However, alagator snappers are never going to over populate. Between reproducing too slow, and predation by varmints, it makes it not the best species for over populating.

I don't know if you hunt or not. But "years ago" how many predators were there to help control the population?
Here in Florida I can only think of the occasional lucky gator. But most of the time gators look for food that is already dead. For the most part gators are scavengers. I have seen coyote here in north Florida, but have never seen any in south Florida.
I don't think coyotes can bring down a deer. I am guessing that if a coyote had the opportunity they could possible snag a fawn.

Other than old age/sickness and humans, what predators to deer have?

 

[kmurphy]

However, alagator snappers are never going to over populate. Between reproducing too slow, and predation by varmints, it makes it not the best species for over populating

.

I am not disagreeing with you but this may or may not be true. You really don't see alligator snappers so how do you know there aren't too many in a particular river? The point is well taken though.

I am a hunter who has never rationalized that I am actually doing something beneficial for the deer population by killing them. Where I am from there aren't that many deer. The population is manipulated by the fish & game for me to able to hunt. I've always thought the overpopulation argument to be a load of crap just as much as the statistics that Jim produced earlier. The hunting lobby has their propaganda and the anti-hunter's have theirs. I trust the fish & game department to make sure the yield is sustainable. I love hunting and am confortable with my decision.

 

[varnyard]

I don't know if you hunt or not. But "years ago" how many predators were there to help control the population?
Here in Florida I can only think of the occasional lucky gator. But most of the time gators look for food that is already dead. For the most part gators are scavengers. I have seen coyote here in north Florida, but have never seen any in south Florida.
I don't think coyotes can bring down a deer. I am guessing that if a coyote had the opportunity they could possible snag a fawn.

Other than old age/sickness and humans, what predators to deer have?

Not just gators, but black bear, red wolves and panthers were here to keep the population in check. The last three I stated are far from prevalent. They are animals that were on the top of the food chain, they are now all rare in our state.

 

[homegrownherps]

Not just gators, but black bear, red wolves and panthers were here to keep the population in check. The last three I stated are far from prevalent. They are animals that were on the top of the food chain, they are now all rare in our state.

Yes I have heard of black bear and panthers being here. I didn't know bears were a predator to deer. I have never heard of the Red Wolf being in Florida, would you say that they were mostly found in north Florida?

I would think that the increasing population most likely plays the biggest part of the declining wildlife habitat, which would force them to gather in one area - making it look like there are an over abundance.

Causing people to think they need to be thinned out.

 

[hhmoore]

I don't think coyotes can bring down a deer. I am guessing that if a coyote had the opportunity they could possible snag a fawn.

not singly, but a few together can exhaust it until it falters. same way a "pack" of strays can bring one down