Clutch almost donw hatching

[norsmis]

My Hypo her anery x ghost motley clutch is almost donw hatching. Looks like 2 hypos, 2 ghost, 1 anery, and 4 normals???? Will post some pics later....

 

[norsmis]

Well, like Mike Greathouse with his amel/bloodred clutch, I have some interesting hatchlings from my ghost motley x hypo het anery clutch. Obviously the 2 hypos are different but one is carrying a het for the other hypo as I got 1 ghost, 2 anerys, 4 normals, and 2 hypos. One of the anerys also has a slight zigzag pattern also.

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

Interesting results...

ghost motley x hypo het anery should have been Hypo & Ghost offspring. Are you sure the Normals aren't actually dark Hypos?

I had some nice zigzag pattern pop up in my earlier clutches too.

 

[norsmis]

Thats exactly what I thought also. I can tell you if those guys are hypos, they are the ugliest hypos I have ever seen.... I have 2 gorgeous hypos..... the others look just like normal hatchlings....

 

[norsmis]

Some of the hatchlings

OK here are three hatchlings from this clutch.... tell me what you think they are....

 

[norsmis]

Any guesses on these????

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

#2 could be a Ghost...My Aneries hatched out MUCH darker then that. #1 & 3 look like Normals, but I still wouldn't put it past them being "ugly" hypos.

 

[norsmis]

So how idd I get normals from a ghost x hypo het anery breeding?????? Different hypos????

 

[TripleMoonsExotic]

I am definitly not saying they're just normals. They very well could be "ugly" Hypos. The only way to tell 100% however is through test breeding.

 

[Serpwidgets]

So how idd I get normals from a ghost x hypo het anery breeding?????? Different hypos????

It's possible that the ghost motley is an anery motley het hypo. Many of them get very very light and look like ghosts, especially males. Another possibility is that the hypo is a normal het hypo. This tends to happen a lot when the snakes are identified as hypos without comparing them to clutchmates... I have seen quite a few that (as adults) could pass for hypos. Do you have pics of the parents, and info on whom the parents came from?

 

[norsmis]

Here is the sire... sold to me as a pastelish ghost motley...

 

[norsmis]

And the dam.... hypo het anery

 

[christopher66]

Very nice animals, what is the one thats in the middle.Is that the ghost?
What do those run in price?If you don't mind me asking?

 

[norsmis]

Thanks! The first one is the ghost motley. Normal ghosts usually run around $35 and motleys around the same or a little more.

 

[Serpwidgets]

The male could be an anery motley het hypo. I've had them hatch dark as night and then turn that light or lighter. If I had to put money on it, that would be my bet.

Here's a female anery motley for comparison:

 

[norsmis]

That has to be it then. I guess I got duped....... Its the only way I could have gotten the results with this clutch..... I am gonna have to really take a hard look at these hatchlings because the one I thought was ghost is probably a light anery.

 

[Serpwidgets]

That has to be it then. I guess I got duped....... Its the only way I could have gotten the results with this clutch..... I am gonna have to really take a hard look at these hatchlings because the one I thought was ghost is probably a light anery.

I wouldn't necessarily say the seller knew either. I would definitely recommend making the IDs on your clutch right after their first shed (before the second one) to avoid the same problem.

You might notice that the females are slightly darker and have slightly thicker bordering than the males, but they should still be light enough to tell the difference between ghosts and anerys.

Note, "females are darker" is a general thing just like "men are taller than women" so don't count on that 100% as a method of ID or sexing.

 

[Hurley]

Yep, it can be very difficult to tell without breeding trials. My favorite motley of all time I bought as a female pastel ghost motley. HE ended up being an anery motley het hypo. When bred to a ghost, I got half anerys, half ghosts. He looked for all the world like a ghost at one year of age (when I got him). I later found out who the original breeder was and found my snake as an example of an anery hatchling on the website. He had very unique markings, so yes, I'm certain it was him. As a fresh-hatched hatchling, he was black and white. No question, there.

I hatched out some grandkids from him out of two anery motleys this season. Some of the motleys are unquestionably anery, but some are so light, they're literally halfway between anery and ghost. I call them anery motleys to be on the safe side (and I suspect that they are just that, probably het for hypo too). I've gotten one ghost out of the pair so far and that one ghost mot...there was no question what it was.

It can be tough sometimes, but it's also like a big riddle you can unravel one test-breeding at a time. Aren't corns grand?

 

[norsmis]

I knew something wasn't right when I saw a normal head poking out of the egg. Well, at least I know what he is for sure now.

 

[cka]

Hey Ron, Don't know about your male, but the female is definately a hypo het anery A (i would know, huh lol). She was bred to a hypo het anery A amel and lavender last year, with hypo's and ghosts from her clutch. Here's pics of the ghosts from her clutch.

Sure sounds like the male is an Anery A het and not a Ghost