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Dan Felice - Good Guy

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Lee McMurtry

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I got two pair of cribos from Dan about two months ago. He was excellent in communication before the deal, even encouraging me to call so that he could answer questions over the phone rather than via e-mail. The animals were great-looking and arrived well packaged. Unfortunately one of the females died unexpectedly (now eight weeks after arrival). Sometimes that's the way life (and death) goes, but Dan is going out of his way to offer more info and to work out a deal for replacing her.
Excellent service before and after the sale, beautiful cribos - two thumbs up for Dan Felice!

-Lee McMurtry
 
Agreed. I purchased a unicolor cribo that Dan produced in 2002 and it is awesome. He is growing like a weed and is perfect in every way. I can't wait till this guy is old enough to introduce to my unicolor females.
 
Accusations on KS.com Indigo forum

In the past few weeks, I've seen a lot of messages on the KS.com Indigo forum saying that Dan has been selling Eastern/calico Unicolor crosses as Texas indigos. I have a hard time believing that a reputable breeder would do such a thing, but I don't really know the specifics of the situation. Is there any truth to these accusations or is some jerk with too much time on his hands just out to wreck Dan's reputation?
 
The person you are referring to is the same troll that has attacked almost every person who frequents that forum. He is banned by Kingsnake on a weekly basis and comes back under a different name each time.
I know the person that the troll accused Dan of selling hybrids to. She owns Texas Indigos from other breeders and would know if she was sold a couperi/unicolor hybrid (which would probably not even resemble erebennus). I'd chalk that accusation up as BS
like everything else that comes out of that troll's mouth.
 
It is true. Dan bred his "calico" Unicolor Cribo to an Eastern Indigo and sold them as Texas Indigos. Although many people here will attack my credibility and character as they've dilligently tried to do on Indigo, it won't change the facts. I live about five minutes from Dan and at the time he was breeding those snakes I was a frequent visitor of Dan's. At the time we were on good terms and were quite friendly. Things are different now, unfortunately. In any case, he did not own Texas adults (or any Texas animals for that matter) at the time he was breeding his Eastern to his Uni. Dan has since gotten rid of his Eastern due to paranoia. He voiced concern that his house would get raided because the Eastern wasn't accompanied by a permit. Understandable. But I digress. When the offspring from the Eastern/Uni cross were hatched, Dan gave one to me which I returned shortly afterward. He sold one to my older brother who lives in N.J. which unfortunately died. He represented that one as a Uni/Eastern cross. He had sold a few to someone named Steve and voiced ALOT of concern that Steve might somehow find out that they were in fact crosses. I recently found out that it was Steve Fuller who obtained them from Dan due to a recent post on Indigo where TexIndigo Gal claimed to have been the recipient of three Texas Indigos from "Dan Felice's stock" as a result of purchasing the animals from Steve Fuller and Bobby L. I don't believe that Steve or Bobby had any idea that those animals were crosses. Dan misrepresented them, thus causing them to be unknowingly misrepresented by others. Unfortunately, it's my word against the world. I only hope that those offspring aren't used to pollute the captive Texas Indigo gene pool any further.
 
Gila...

"couperi/unicolor hybrid (which would probably not even resemble erebennus). I'd chalk that accusation up as BS"

LOL! Well I guess that's it then Chris. You've solved the case. I guess if you, a pal of Dan's who frequents the Indigo forum where everyone is absolved of wrongdoing just by being a member of that country club (see "buyer beware, Fred Albury"), then whatever you say, must be true, lol. Were you there when he bred those animals Chris? Let me answer that. No, you weren't. I was. Lastly, I have seen the offspring from that cross and they not only could pass for Texans, but they DID pass for Texans, lol. So don't preach what you think. Preach what you know. Chalk my "accusation" up to whatever you want. The concern for keeping Drys pure in captive populations obviously doesn't rank very high on your list of priorities. People have a right to know they are being misled. What possible motive could you have for trying to thwart that? So let's recap shall we? Someone here inquires about those "crosses", you immediately assassinate my character, and yet know nothing about this incident other than what your pal Dan wants you to believe. Hmmm. Are you still angry about the thread regarding your pal Fred Albury?
 
Since you seem to regard yourself as someone of high moral character, why is it that you sat back and said nothing while Dan allegedly misrepresented hybrids? You said that all of this occurred back in 2002 but you are only speaking out now because you and Dan had a falling out. Since you say that this is about protecting customers from misrepresentation and not about spite, what took you so long?

I've never met you, Fred or Dan. I only know the three of you through Internet forums. I purchased an awesome uni from Dan and I'm very happy with it. I also purchased a great looking yellowtail from someone else (this snake was in Dan's care and was shipped to me by Dan).

If your allegations were true I would find that very troubling. However, I've seen you attack too many people over the last year or two to just take your word for it without any proof.

If I trust Dan it's because he has delivered a healthy, well represented snake to me on two different occasions. He has followed up with emails to see how the snakes are doing in my care and offered husbandry/breeding advice to me on more than one occasion.
All I know about you is that you make immature, confrontational posts and rarely have anything nice to say about anyone. You're banned from Kingsnake on almost a weekly basis and return under different pseudonyms to harass someone else.
In the last year I've seen you personally attack Dan Felice, John Cherry, Fred Albury and Dean Allesandrini.

If you have proof of your allegations, I'm all ears.
...but you couldn't possibly expect me or anyone else who has witnessed your behavior over the last couple years to take your word for it, could you? Even if you were able to prove your allegations to be true (which I really doubt)...what does that say about you for keeping it quiet until just recently because your friendship with Dan has ended?
 
Gila...

The answers to your questions can be found in my first post. Your first post here regarding me was vicious and slanderous and unsubstantially accusatory. Given that, why would I waist my time answering question from someone who obviously has alot of animosity toward me (as exhibited in your post about me here) and is also a pal of Dan's. You have made it clear that you regard me as a puerile troll without knowing anything about the incident. Again, you weren't there, I was.

"...but you couldn't possibly expect me or anyone else who has witnessed your behavior over the last couple years to take your word for it, could you?"

If you can find any post or accusation that I have ever made to be untrue, by all means post it.
 
Dejavu

Gila, you seem to have a fixation on Chris Kennard. You attacked him in the Fred Albury thread just like you have here, and look at the result of that thread. In the end, Fred Albury was evertyhing that Chris Kennard claimed he was. You, on the other hand, were the guy who stood behind Fred. What does that say about your "moral character"?

Here's one of your posts in the "Buyer Beware of Fred Albury" thread (you might want to read it to refresh your memory before you get too carried away and focus on Chris kennard, rather than what he's saying):

"Since Chris Kennard decided to make this about himself....

The people reading this should realize that he has been stalking Fred on the Kingsnake forums long before this transaction with Landon ever started. He has as many online names as he has personalities...Chris Ken, Tyranosaur, Lore, Boapit, Dingbat....and even Anti-Bury (that one should show his obsession with Fred).
He's harrassed Fred on the pituphis, boa and indigo forums before this transaction ever transpired) His issues with Fred are personal and have nothing to do with this transaction.

I honestly don't believe he has anything to do with Landon. Landon has always shown class on his forum posts (and as evidenced in his emails). It wouldn't suprise me if Chris Ken can produce an angry email....I'm sure Landon was frustrated with this deal.

Fred obviously dropped the ball on this deal and has now said he'll make it right. I believe he will.
Hopefully, him and Landon will be able to work out their differences.

Chris Kennard, what did Fred do personally to you that caused you to make it your life's mission to be his personal remora? (as another person on one of the Kingsnake forums so accurately described you)"

By the way Gila, I was "Lore", Chris wasn't. You might want to brush up on getting your facts straight before you continue with your character assassinations.

Albert Applebaum
 
well?

well i dunno 'bout dans cribos, but i know he is a good guy i did a deal last year w/him and all went great,good all the way around
thomas davis;)
 
"I know the person that the troll accused Dan of selling hybrids to. She owns Texas Indigos from other breeders"

Yet another testament to Gila's lack of knowledge on this issue. I never said that Dan sold those snakes to TexIndigo Gal. Dan sold them to two other people who then sold them to her. One thing I should mention is that I find it interesting that this thread has come about the way it did. Yesterday I confronted Dan with a few simple questions on the Indigo forum at KS and was attacked by Oldherper in a thread resulting in approximately thirtyfive posts, only two of which were from Dan displaying quite a bit of slander and desperation. I have those posts copied. In any case, a post emerges here saying Dan Felice, good guy. I have no problem with that, but what seems odd is that he got the snakes from Dan two months ago and waited til one of those snake died before posting what a good guy Dan is. Am I the only one here who thinks there is something strange about that? Then someone conveniently posts about my posts on KS and Gila is right there to antagonize the issue by bashing me. Coincindence??? I have to wonder.
 
You don't have to wonder about......

Chris Raden's role here. He has unconditionally bashed Chris Kennard whenever the opportunity arises, so don't count on him getting the facts straight. His agenda has everything to do with bashing anyone who dares to disagree with any of his fellow members of that self-appointed, elite group of Indigo fanatics on KS known as "the core". Fred Albury is a solid member of that distinguished group, and, even though Chris Kennard has exposed Fred as the fraud that he is (using facts), both on Fauna and KS, Chris Raden has always attacked Chris Kennard. If you dismiss Raden's "input" to this thread as nothing more than a personal attack on Kennard, an objective process in truth-finding will then be possible.

Albert Applebaum
 
Cool it People

Wow, what a sh*tstorm...
I don't read the Indigo forum on Kingsnake regularly, but I went to it after reading the posts here. Chris K - I can't find any of your posts there that you've talked about here, leading me to believe that the KS moderator removed them.
Bottom line for me - Dan has treated me well in a deal that we did, and I, appreciating that, posted here my experience. Since the posts aren't there to be read on KS, I don't see how this could be construed as a response to that, other than to say that there seems to be an impressively high level of paranoia surrounding the whole thing. I live 3,000 miles from Dan, never met him, didn't know he existed until I saw his classified ad and talked to him on the phone, haven't talked to him about anythig other than my cribos since.
Second bottom line - if Dan really hybridized his cribos and sold them as Texans, that's wrong and should be condemned. If he did it, karma tends to come around again. But until somebody ACTUALLY INVOLVED in the whole thing wants to come forward and say that Dan sold them Texas cribos on "X" date for "Y" price, and here's the receipt, and on further inspection by people who know what they're talking about the animals seem to be hybrids rather than true Texans (and there are a lot of natural intergrades going on out there, people) - I stand by my post.
-Lee McMurtry
 
Lee...

Nicely put. Nate asked a question directly pertaining to me as I am the only one qualified to answer with regard to the crosses. I answered him. Gila decided to assault me in his familiar fashion. I answered him. Had I wanted this to come to light on Fauna, I would have started my own thread. My apologies for being accusatory/paranoid with regard to your post here. As I'm sure you can understand, I do not regret my reciprocation to the other posts. Good luck with your Drys.
 
Just Curious

For Chris K,

As one who has had at least 3 of these animals in my household and have taken the time to do scale counts and request observations on the photos that I had taken of the animals as well as ask expert advice with regards to their origin, I'm reasonably convinced that the story you tell is somewhat flawed.

In an effort to clarify the issue, did you actually "SEE" the Eastern and Uni hooked up during the time you and Dan were on speaking terms or are you perhaps going on what might have been told to you as you and Dan were having a falling out?

Just curious,
Jeff Nichols... Happy to be the spousal unit of TexIndigo Gal.:D
 
Just Curious

For Chris K,

As one who has had at least 3 of these animals in my household and have taken the time to do scale counts and request observations on the photos that I had taken of the animals as well as ask expert advice with regards to their origin, I'm reasonably convinced that the story you tell is somewhat flawed.

In an effort to clarify the issue, did you actually "SEE" the Eastern and Uni hooked up during the time you and Dan were on speaking terms or are you perhaps going on what might have been told to you as you and Dan were having a falling out?

Just curious,
Jeff Nichols... Happy to be the spousal unit of TexIndigo Gal.:D
 
Flawed how,lol? I was a regular guest at Dan's house and saw those snakes on a regular bases. Did I take a microscope and invade the snakes' privacy to see if there was penetration? No, I didn't. Did I ever once see a Texas Indigo in his collection? No, I didn't. You do the math. Why do you suppose that Dan sold one of those offspring to my brother as a Uni/Eastern Indigo cross? I'd be happy to give you my brother's phone number privately. How do you suppose I know that one of the parents was referred to as a "calico" Uni? I myself was the recipient of one of those little gems but gave it back shortly thereafter. I jokingly called Dan's secret "Project Bluebook", a name which Dan readily adopted. As far as what I "might have been told"...didn't happen. In a recent post on the Indigo forum where I asked Dan several questions about those crosses, I was met with alot of resistance by Oldherper. The thread was about thirty-five posts strong, only two of them by Dan. In his first post which addressed none of the issues (mirrored by the second post), Dan stated that he lied to me two years ago in what I guess was a big scheme to make me think that he was breeding crosses while hiding and secretly breeding true Texans somewhere else in the tiny abode, lol. His response was nothing more than character assassination. Here is Dan's frantic response...

Posted by: dan felice at Tue Dec 9 08:50:02 2003 [ Report Abuse ] [ Email
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"yeah stupid, there was a fib told......to you about 2 years ago precisely for
the reason you constantly demonstrate here.....YOUR A BIG MOUTH!!! you sound
like an 11 year old girl! and btw, who made you prosecutor and answerable to
anyway????? are you like an idiot or something mr. 'i'll save you guys'? WE know
what's going on, YOU don't and that's the way WE like it. too bad you weren't
born in 1929......you would've been PERFECT hitler youth material. you know, the
little snitches that ran around telling on everyone in town? you're a FREAKIN'
disgrace i swear to God!! and cunnard, that's how EVERYONE feels about you. your
word is WORTHLESS @ KS. you have succeeded in being despised and banned in every
forum there is. oh, and i guess you forgot your password again huh 'brain cell'?
that's why your on your 120th name change. gee, and all this time i thought it
was because of your loathful approach personality. now, a little refresher
course mentally challenged one: everybody's happy, you're in the dark [as usual]
and your 'services' are no longer required. OR, you can just keep fanatically
ranting like retardo boy. knock yourself out sport........."

Pretty frantic huh? I actually laughed at the "retardo boy" comment myself. Is this the "good guy" everyone here knows and loves? Even now he posts on Indigo making light of this issue with Oldherper. A sad day for captive Dry populations.
 
p.s.

"WE know
what's going on, YOU don't and that's the way WE like it".


"and your 'services' are no longer required".


What do you suppose Dan meant by these statements? Who is the "we" he speaks of and the "what" that is "going on"? And how do they know "what's going on, lol? Can't I get in on this? Please?

Also, were there "services" provided by me to begin with? :confused:
 
Just curious redux.

Frankly Mr. K.,

You are working hard to divert the original questions. What Dan might have posted and you collected in your defense is irrelevant. DID YOU WITNESS THE MATING THAT YOU ALLEGE OCCURED?
Yes, no.? Pretty simple.

I'm quite certain that most here will recognize a smoke screen when they see one.

Regards,
J.
 
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