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Daytona Pickup

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I got a great pick up from the Daytona show. I picked Up a 2006 almost 11FT snow boa female. She has great color and pattern. Very clean looking to. I do not care much for the Moons or the snows but she sttod right out. Hope you all enjoy her pic. I also piced up a CA Super Motley male. Yes I know the genetics but he looks awesome and deserves the best during his short time living. He is a amazing looking animal and it is a shame how they have such a short life span. Hopefully in the future through better out breeding and more selective breeding this animals genetics will become more sound. Thanks Mike Masters
 

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Her temp is awesome. It is funny to se her strected out when she was crawling into her cage. For now she is in a 4X2 ft Boaphile. She was streched across the back and down the side with my Daughter and i supporting another 4 to five ft. She is awesome in every way and I am not much for snows but she has my attention.
 
I would love to see something that supports the 11 foot claims if you can figure something out.
Eleven feet in six yrs is massive growth
 
Why is 11" so hard to imagine in 6 years? My Hypo female is an 06 and she is over 7' and she was grown extreamly slow. I can see a 6 year old female hitting 11' if she was fed very well.
 
Why is 11" so hard to imagine in 6 years? My Hypo female is an 06 and she is over 7' and she was grown extreamly slow. I can see a 6 year old female hitting 11' if she was fed very well.


I asked the same thing a couple months ago on a boa i have. He grows like a weed~! Some say too much feeding! I know its not that because he is not fed weekly. I( have a few that are outgrowing all else i have and they are feed every 2-3 weeks.

Its got to be written in the genes.IMO
 
Its got to be written in the genes.IMO

I concur.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but aren't most of these boa morphs just locality mutts? Wouldn't A prime example of this be salmotines ( a salmon morph bred to an Argentine).

Maybe this particular snow has a large portion of bcc which has caused her to get so long.
 
I don't think that 11" is hard to imagine but with the snakes age & being a BCI it is kind of on the rare side. I don't have any proof or facts to confirm it so I state it only based on my opinion but I really believe enclosure sized during the first 3 years especially makes a huge difference.
 
I don't think that 11" is hard to imagine but with the snakes age & being a BCI it is kind of on the rare side. I don't have any proof or facts to confirm it so I state it only based on my opinion but I really believe enclosure sized during the first 3 years especially makes a huge difference.

This is the first I have ever heard of enclosure size having any correlation to a snakes growth.
 
I concur.

Someone correct me if I am wrong but aren't most of these boa morphs just locality mutts? Wouldn't A prime example of this be salmotines ( a salmon morph bred to an Argentine).

Maybe this particular snow has a large portion of bcc which has caused her to get so long.

You are incorrect, actually.

Many boa morphs are just specific to their locality as well as that can be done. When it comes to Colombian animals, the lines and boundaries by which they are classified are often debated.

Either way, they are not all just locality mutts. Only a portion of them are.
 
This is the first I have ever heard of enclosure size having any correlation to a snakes growth.

Like I said it just a personal opinion & nothing I can prove so take it for what it is worth. I probably should not have even mentioned it. I don't want anyone thinking that I'm promising enclosures of a certain size, lack of size, etc do anything out of the normal. I kind of just developed the personal believe raising my multiple little ones that habitat may play a role because of the drastic amount of growth & sheds I experienced after switching them to a larger enclosure. It's very possible it could it be a more suitable climate change in the larger enclosures promoting the growth or just coincidence a growth spurt happened around that time... but I don't believe it's as far fetched as it sounds when you actually think about it. Now I'm not saying I think a boa can out grow it's species proven length by much, I'm only saying I think the max size is reached at a much faster rate. I'm sure we get a few other opinions but if it is true I would be curious if it affected the boas long term health if at all.

I've heard of a enclosure being to large & causing stress on an animal but question that also at times. If the enclosure has plenty of hides for the animal to secure themselves if the need was felt & it easy to find necessities such as water & hot spots, I don't imagine it being a issue. Honestly I see a possibility of it be a bonus proving ample room to move, stretch, & exercise when not taken out. I get boa's are not chasing down prey but being a heavy-bodied bred & being feed like clock work every 2 or 3 weeks make me believe it easy to become lazy especially without the room to explorer. Most younger snakes seem to like to explore more when being held compared to larger snakes & I'm not sure if its due only to age & size.

Honestly, I'll have to go through a few books & do some searching & hear from more experienced keepers then myself. If I come up with anything I'll let you know but until then the idea of habitat size playing a role in growth rate during a certain period is just a opinion/thought of mine with no hard evidence to back it up.

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As far as this snake's length, I believe the plastic dog bowl in the picture is manufactured by a company called Paws-N-Claws, & they measure about 9-1/2" diameter (don't ask how I know that). From the looks of the photo, if she isn't 11" she has to be pretty close to it.
 
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You are incorrect, actually.

Many boa morphs are just specific to their locality as well as that can be done. Wmutations comes to Colombian animals, the lines and boundaries by which they are classified are often debated.

Either way, they are not all just locality mutts. Only a portion of them are.

I guess I should've been more specific. I assumed since we were talking about a double gene animal and my example was a double gene that my train of thought was clear.

I understand most single gene mutations are locality spefic. I would use leopards, bloods, motleys, and hypos as an example of single gene mutatu. Now pewters, leopard albinos, bloody leopards hypo motleys and salmontines are all examples of locality mutts. I have to admit I am not sure where certain genetic mutations originate from ( sharp, anery, type 2 anery BE anery, jungle and cyclone)



Like I said it just a personal opinion & nothing I can prove so take it for what it is worth. I probably should not have even mentioned it. I don't want anyone thinking that I'm promising enclosures of a certain size, lack of size, etc do anything out of the normal. I kind of just developed the personal believe raising my multiple little ones that habitat may play a role because of the drastic amount of growth & sheds I experienced after switching them to a larger enclosure. It's very possible it could it be a more suitable climate change in the larger enclosures promoting the growth or just coincidence a growth spurt happened around that time... but I don't believe it's as far fetched as it sounds when you actually think about it. Now I'm not saying I think a boa can out grow it's species proven length by much, I'm only saying I think the max size is reached at a much faster rate. I'm sure we get a few other opinions but if it is true I would be curious if it affected the boas long term health if at all.

I've heard of a enclosure being to large & causing stress on an animal but question that also at times. If the enclosure has plenty of hides for the animal to secure themselves if the need was felt & it easy to find necessities such as water & hot spots, I don't imagine it being a issue. Honestly I see a possibility of it be a bonus proving ample room to move, stretch, & exercise when not taken out. I get boa's are not chasing down prey but being a heavy-bodied bred & being feed like clock work every 2 or 3 weeks make me believe it easy to become lazy especially without the room to explorer. Most younger snakes seem to like to explore more when being held compared to larger snakes & I'm not sure if its due only to age & size.

Honestly, I'll have to go through a few books & do some searching & hear from more experienced keepers then myself. If I come up with anything I'll let you know but until then the idea of habitat size playing a role in growth rate during a certain period is just a opinion/thought of mine with no hard evidence to back it up.

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As far as this snake's length, I believe the plastic dog bowl in the picture is manufactured by a company called Paws-N-Claws, & they measure about 9-1/2" diameter (don't ask how I know that). From the looks of the photo, if she isn't 11" she has to be pretty close to it.

Like I said I have never heard this mentioned in snakes before but I find it very interesting. Thanks for the food for thought.
 
Wow!!!!! I wanted to just show off a incredible animal that I am so lucky to get as part of my collection. When seeing her I never in my life threw money out for a animal that quick. I even had my wife next to me and she did not even question it. That alone should get a shout out!!!!! HAHAHA!! I can say I love the way it built questions that I have been asked over and over again through out my 20 yrs dealing with boas. In the pics I did my best to give Tommy and the rest of you some idea of her length. I put her in a 50qt tub along with my 6.5ft Sunglow Jungle female for size comparison. I really hope that it helps to see the true size.
I saw as part of this thread the question about size and age. In my experience my boas have always grown extremely fast. I do two things and they are feed every seven days. The food I feed is what I equat to the same size as the girth of the snake I am feeding. I also put my babies for my collection right in to a 50qt tub.
To give a example of my boas progress in growth I have a Darin Cooper Jungle that is a 2011 and he is 5.5 ft and a great size in musle tone and over all body condition. I have other boas that I gotten at a year old from breeders and they are lucky to be hitting 30inches. So in my opinion the size of cage has a lot to do with size of animals and a steady consistant feeding.
NO POWER FEEDING ALLOWED!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the great questions and responses. I feel this is what the forum should be all about. Thanks everyone. Mike Masters
 

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Kool deal, I happy to hear I'm not the only one who experienced possible extra growth due to habitat size. I also feed mine meals matching the snakes girth about every 7-10 days for the first few months then slow it down to about every 15 days or so. It's definitely a theory I think that would be fun to look into more. Sorry it came up on your post.

I think I might have forgotten to include the my main reason I wanted to comment after reading the post from the start so I'll say it now. No matter what the size, I think you made a great pick up & she looks beautiful. Thanks for sharing the photos.
 
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