Different Lines of the Same Snake

[mgoblue347]

I was at NARBC in Arlington yesterday and came across Amir's table at Yellowbellyball. They had an beautiful looking snake the Citrus Amoretti (believe that is how you spell it). Got to talking and they were telling me that the snake was a product of a flame x citrus vanilla. So in other words it is their line of Vanilla Scream. I was told that the flame is their line of Fire and Citrus their line of pastel (might be someone else's line). But that I would not produce the same looking snake as theirs if I bred a fire to a pastel vanilla. There was a Vanilla Scream there going for $2500, and then this snake $7500.

Thoughts on this?

 

[Ohhwataloser]

Citrus pastel tend to have the whiteout/fader trait. That is the super blushed look, which is very sought after. IMO the flame doesn't look like much on its own, but if it makes things like that... I might give it another look. You are dealing with fire, vanilla, and pastel, 3 extremely variable morphs. Make a snake on the high end of all 3, it should fetch a premium price, that thing is awesome.

 

[TexasVipRoom]

is fader a trait? Or is it just something that is in the citrus pastel gene? Also can anyone chime in on what is so special about the "flame" gene?

 

[Ohhwataloser]

if you talk to kevin from NERD, he will tell you fader is its own gene. There are many of us who don't see it that way and see it as a selectively bred trait meaning it is the combination of many genes (not identifiable on their own normally), that will make that trait pop up. It used to be thought that citrus had a whiteout gene, basically the same thing as fader imo, but most people are in agreeance that it is a selectively bred trait. So if you buy a citrus pastel, you have a good chance of having some parts and pieces of making the whiteout trait, even if it does not show in the animal you bought. No guarantees obviously.

 

[TexasVipRoom]

so if the white out or fader gene is bred to be shown visually will it then be passed on to off spring? or no. whats so special about the flame gene? or is that just a line of fire?

 

[Ohhwataloser]

it may or may not, depends on what actually makes the trait show up and if the parents have the parts and pieces to make it happen. morphs as we know them are monogenic. fader/whiteout it believed by many to be a polygenic trait. google that As far as I know, flame is a just a line of fire, but at the same time, look at the snake the picture.

 

[mgoblue347]

Interesting stuff, like you said the vanilla/fire/pastel are all extremely variable traits. Whether or not this snake can be called a Citrus Amoretti is a different story. The picture below is from World of Ball Pythons and I believe is Gulf Coast Reptiles and they look identical and the one below is listed as a Vanilla Scream..

 

[mgoblue347]

Pic didn't show up.

 

[Robert Walker]

Visually, it looks like a match to me!

 

[TexasVipRoom]

yeah seems like a marketing ploy to me.

 

[mgoblue347]

^^^ I agree