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Dr. Jay Owens

"I now finally understand the deal and am satisfied. Why aren't you? lol."

OK. I don't care either, but YOU brought it up, citing page nine's post, and quoting it here again. ALL Dr. Jay said was that he not a licensed physician. He did not say that he was not a physician, and his definition of the word "physician" was not exclusionary to his own status, as you suggested. Therefore, I thought it needful to point out your inconsistency there.

I'm done with this ... if you are.
 
I was concerned whether he ever even attended med school because AT THE TIME I asked, All I knew was he claimed to be a doctor and when I asked about it after finding no license on record, he just deleted my posts and account. IF you were me, how would that make you feel? What would you suspect?
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I would have just e-mailed him personally...but that may have been too easy. You were looking to stir up trouble, and quit trying to deny it.
As for the venomoid copperhead; I am in the process of obtaining the necessary permits and I have told Jay I am interested in purchasing it.
Who cares if NERD has voids? Geez and crimeny. I am actually oposed to the surgery in general situations, but they are using them TO EDUCATE! I would never take a venomous snake into an education setting (unless it was with adults, but I understand NERD also does shows for kids). And if you would take a hot in with a bunch of kids, you have some issues.
I am friendly with both Jay and Kara, so maybe that just makes my point of view irrevelant. But take it for whats its worth.
They are two of the most caring people I have met. They are kind, generous, knowledgeable, friendly, and I am proud to know both of them on a first name basis.

Laird Ian van Natter
(Yes Brett and Brian, you can check on that. I can even send you my papers declaring my titleship)
 
Off topic a bit

"Trust me, Randy knows what he's talking about." -Ian
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Wow...you really live quite the life if you use THAT for your quote. And again, Randy knows what he is talking about.

Secondly, the rest of your post was great and spot on. Jay, NERD, and Bob have made this hobby what it is. This pointless attacking is just that, pointless.
NERD didn't post about free-handling venomoids, just someone at tiny giants. Why not go after them?
Yeesh, even monkeys will learn from negative responses to stimulus after one or two shocks.
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That was pretty funny!

And jftr, I held a 2 year old lab that according to things posted by the Anti-Bob crowd, should be dead. But it is alive and healthy.

IAN
 
Forgot my full name

Forogot my full name and it wont let me edit that last post.

Also, Jay is still one of the best people out there, NERD is full of awesome people, and Bob is one of the pioneers and we owe a lot to him.


Laird Ian van Natter
 
Yes Brett and Brian, you can check on that. I can even send you my papers declaring my titleship
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Why would i care? Again it appears you have me confused with someone else. Please READ the thread before you assume I was in any way involved in the "Dr."/"Physician" discussion. My involvement began with my interpretations when the thread changed directions and has been nothing but civil. Why would I possibly care if you carry a title? Call yourself "Queen of the Moth People" if you like. But if you are going refer to me, be sure I am the individual you meant to be talking about.
 
I cannot condone animal mutilation for fun, so yes, I am concerned about a web page that seems to glorify the "coolness" of venomoids for sale.

However is it really fair to let the venomoid controversy bulldoze over this thread? The original topic is whether Dr. Owens has fairly and legally earned his title, and I think that has been quite clearly demonstrated. It's time to let the thread die since it has done its job.
 
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