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    I am still waiting on my developer to finish up on the Classifieds Control Panel so I can use it to encourage members into becoming paying members. Google Adsense has become a real burden on the viewing of this site, but honestly it is the ONLY source of income now that keeps it afloat. I tried offering disabling the ads being viewed by paying members, but apparently that is not enough incentive. Quite frankly, Google Adsense has dropped down to where it barely brings in enough daily to match even a single paid member per day. But it still gets the bills paid. But at what cost?

    So even without the classifieds control panel being complete, I believe I am going to have to disable those Google ads completely and likely disable some options here that have been free since going to the new platform. Like classified ad bumping, member name changes, and anything else I can use to encourage this site to be supported by the members instead of the Google Adsense ads.

    But there is risk involved. I will not pay out of pocket for very long during this last ditch experimental effort. If I find that the membership does not want to support this site with memberships, then I cannot support your being able to post your classified ads here for free. No, I am not intending to start charging for your posting ads here. I will just shut the site down and that will be it. I will be done with FaunaClassifieds. I certainly don't need this, and can live the rest of my life just fine without it. If I see that no one else really wants it to survive neither, then so be it. It goes away and you all can just go elsewhere to advertise your animals and merchandise.

    Not sure when this will take place, and I don't intend to give any further warning concerning the disabling of the Google Adsense. Just as there probably won't be any warning if I decide to close down this site. You will just come here and there will be some sort of message that the site is gone, and you have a nice day.

    I have been trying to make a go of this site for a very long time. And quite frankly, I am just tired of trying. I had hoped that enough people would be willing to help me help you all have a free outlet to offer your stuff for sale. But every year I see less and less people coming to this site, much less supporting it financially. That is fine. I tried. I retired the SerpenCo business about 14 years ago, so retiring out of this business completely is not that big if a step for me, nor will it be especially painful to do. When I was in Thailand, I did not check in here for three weeks. I didn't miss it even a little bit. So if you all want it to remain, it will be in your hands. I really don't care either way.

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    Some people have indicated that finding the method to contribute is rather difficult. And I have to admit, that it is not all that obvious. So to help, here is a thread to help as a quide. How to become a contributing member of FaunaClassifieds.

    And for the record, I will be shutting down the Google Adsense ads on January 1, 2025.
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Dubbya a bush or Not a bush, that is the question

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Okay I have recently noticed that a lot more people are realising that our president may not be the brightest bulb in the box. I have been afraid of what would happen to our country ever since he was elected the first time. What I would like to know is everyones opinion on how they think he has been as a president. Also how you think he got elected for a second term. Was it set up, because I personally don't know anyone who voted for him. To be fair though that adds up to about twenty people, not really enough to make or break an election.
 
I would have voted for Bush but I forgot to go, hehe. I didn't want to vote for Kerry because I thought he just wanted to be president for the celebrity status. So, not sure if Bush is the best things for this country, but it was kind of a toss up as to which one would have been worse...
 
Yup, it was definitly a case of the lesser stupidity. Thanks for the reply.
 
I and alot of people i know voted against bush as well. I think something was done to get bush elected the 2nd time.

This whole war started over 911 and bin laden, that wound up getting iraq tied into it. Now there is no end in sight and it's costing thousands of people's lives. Still not one gram of any kind of WMD has been recovered and osama is still not captured.....
 
Yup, I agree with trying to get Saddam out of power, but that is not why we were told we were going to war. Don't get me started on the whole Bin Laden thing. We can catch a guy who has hundreds of look a likes, hiding in a hole in the ground, but we can't catch a six foot guy on dialisis. Go figure. Let me just say this on the war though, I may not agree with the reasoning, but the troops and their families have my full support. They are the ones who are dying fighting for us.
 
Brain Trust Manifesto

The fact that Bush is not the shiniest light on the tree is the worst kept secret around.
But, you must realize that he merely represents a "brain trust", that really does all the heavy lifting for him. This "club" of conservatives got their beginnings in the Reagan era, and believes that the US must use military might toward the end of protecting US interestests abroad, and expanding the American empire. The ultimate goal is world domination, and the snuffing of all competition.

Q:Guess why they never had any exit strategy in Iraq?
A: THEY NEVER PLAN ON LEAVING!

THEY DETERMINED THAT IRAQ WAS A STRATEGIC LOCATION FROM WHICH TO STAGE MIDDLE EAST OPERATIONS. It had nothing to do with "The Evil Saddam". There are lots of regiemes in the world at least as bad as his, but you never even hear about them. They had made up their minds we were going to invade Iraq years before 9/11. Then it was just a case of selling it to the American people. Problem was, there were no facts to support thier case, so they lied. Through their teeth. Now they are going to find out the American people are not as stupid as they thought.

Here's a link to the manifesto, drafted in 1997. Notice the signatures at the bottom.
It says nothing about feeding the starving, respect and tolerance for your fellow man, leading the World to a more peaceful existence through strong leadership. Nope. None of that. Just about how to rule the world.


Project for the New American Century
 
I hope the American people aren't stupid.
I have less confidence in them being less apathetic though.

I didn't think we had ANY real choice in the last election. There was really no one to choose from.

If a George Dubya supporter doesn't chime in here soon I'll be very surprised. I'm not one. I think his "length of service" has been disastrous and we won't know just how pernicious until he's out. Frankly, I think we have legitimate reasons to be afraid.

Do you know how large our debt to China and India is? It's scary. What do you think China, and even India, might like to do with that kind of leverage?

Every great civilisation, every great power falls down, fails and dies. The USA will too in time.
 
Well, how does one say this accurately?
Rush Limbaugh for example is someone who is in the "if it has an R next to the name then it's automatically right" crowd. I do NOT agree with that in any way. However, I did vote Bush. I see MANY faults with our President. I can tell you why that is too, cause he's human and has human advisers. It's funny to me that so many are quick to call Bush dumb when he went to an extremely prestigeous school and has higher scores than Kerry... well, whatever, that's not important in any case at all...
One thing I have to say is this, as much as I am hating how non existant our borders are and the lack of concern Bush shows to that I have to say, thus far, since 9/11 and the soon thereafter anthrax scares, we have not seen a single thing happen on American soil. I know that using WMD's as his only reason for Iraq was dangerous, but get real, WHY ON EARTH would ANYONE in their right mind go to war against another nation without credible reason? Really, that's an EXTREMELY stupid thing to do to say the least... Some may say that it's about oil or cronyism (spelling?) but give me a break :). I'm sorry, but that is extremely lofty. North Korea, Iraq, etc. would do such a thing. Those leaders are trully psychotic. They are opressive and they are bent on domination. We are not like that. America is not Communistic. We do not impose our ways on other nations. Up until we were attacked, we were not going to war. They pre empted this. Not only that, but those other nations have shown in what they do to their own citizens that they are the ruthless ones. We here in America are free, they aren't. Our President is certainly not perfect but for heaven's sake, he is not the anti Christ.
 
lol, just want to add this...
I in no way said any of that with anger. That's the annoying thing with the internet, you can't tell what someone's tone of voice is. That's why I put that smile in my post because I am not trying to sound mad or anything, I just wanted to say my opinion.
 
A topic like this presents a lot of temptation to make angry posts. Politics, religion and what?
 
Trying not to sound too obviously annoyed by the subject at hand, I find it amazing when people refer to our President as "less than intelligent". Keep in mind that the same people saying this are the same people who never attended Harvard or Yale, like our President did. Who never scored 1200+ on their SAT's (1300 qualifies you for Mensa). Who have no idea what their own IQ's are let alone the president (129). Who never ran for a political position in their lives, let alone Governor of Texas or President of the United States. Yet somehow, because this man cannot with any flair read a teleprompter, you associate him with stupidity without looking at who he really is. Keep in mind that this "nim-wit" was a millionaire before he was out of his 20's due to his own hard work and not a gift from good ole' mom and dad.

I do agree with some of you that better decisions could have been made but then again hindsight is always 20/20. I am sure Clinton wished he had kept his pants zipped all of those time but then again, hindsight is always 20/20. Understand what I am getting at?

Did I vote for Bush? Absolutely. Was he the best man for the job? Given what the alternative is I give a resounding yes to that question. Did this man inherit the problems and shortcomings of all of the prior administrations, including Clinton and George H? Absolutely. Do I envy his position? No way.

I think more of you need to read up on what is actually going on in Iraq. I have numerous family members serving right now and the stories that they tell are not the stories the media informs us of. We went to war to fight terrorism. We DID NOT go into Afghanistan to simply find Osama. Osama is the poster child for terrorism. How you guys can say that our involvement in Iraq is wrong, with what took place yesterday in Jordan, is beyond comprehendable to me. We were attacked. We struck back and will continue to strike back until either the threat is removed or the liberals take office (keep in mind even they supported the war until we had our first casualty).

Some of you (not specifically addressed to this board but dissenters in general) need to learn the art of thinking with both your heart and your mind. Sure, I hate to hear that we have lost 2000+ of our sons/daughters in this war but it is still far less than the 3000+ that were lost on 911. It is still tens of thousands less than when we were in Vietnam. Instead of saying that you support the troops maybe some of you need to spend time talking with them. You will get a much different picture then what the media is presenting.

Griz, a very frustrated middle of the road conservative.
 
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Trying not to sound too obviously annoyed by the subject at hand, I find it amazing when people refer to our President as "less than intelligent". Keep in mind that the same people saying this are the same people who never attended Harvard or Yale, like our President did. Who never scored 1200+ on their SAT's (1300 qualifies you for Mensa). Who have no idea what their own IQ's are let alone the president (129). Who never ran for a political position in their lives, let alone Governor of Texas or President of the United States. Yet somehow, because this man cannot with any flair read a teleprompter, you associate him with stupidity without looking at who he really is. Keep in mind that this "nim-wit" was a millionaire before he was out of his 20's due to his own hard work and not a gift from good ole' mom and dad.

I do agree with some of you that better decisions could have been made but then again hindsight is always 20/20. I am sure Clinton wished he had kept his pants zipped all of those time but then again, hindsight is always 20/20. Understand what I am getting at?

Did I vote for Bush? Absolutely. Was he the best man for the job? Given what the alternative is I give a resounding yes to that question. Did this man inherit the problems and shortcomings of all of the prior administrations, including Clinton and George H? Absolutely. Do I envy his position? No way.

I think more of you need to read up on what is actually going on in Iraq. I have numerous family members serving right now and the stories that they tell are not the stories the media informs us of. We went to war to fight terrorism. We DID NOT go into Afghanistan to simply find Osama. Osama is the poster child for terrorism. How you guys can say that our involvement in Iraq is wrong, with what took place yesterday in Jordan, is beyond comprehendable to me. We were attacked. We struck back and will continue to strike back until either the threat is removed or the liberals take office (keep in mind even they supported the war until we had our first casualty).

Some of you (not specifically addressed to this board but dissenters in general) need to learn the art of thinking with both your heart and your mind. Sure, I hate to hear that we have lost 2000+ of our sons/daughters in this war but it is still far less than the 3000+ that were lost on 911. It is still tens of thousands less than when we were in Vietnam. Instead of saying that you support the troops maybe some of you need to spend time talking with them. You will get a much different picture then what the media is presenting.

Griz, a very frustrated middle of the road conservative.
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Wow...
I have to agree with you saying Bush is not dumb....I think he is far from that
However i am not sure if he is good for this country as a Whole
I dont think we had any business going to Iraq
Just as we dont have any business going to N. Korea,Iran Any where in Africa And South America...
 
I am certainly not condoning going into North Korea etc. But, we have to be prepared and stop cowering under the covers whenever the possibility for danger exists. If North Korea attacks or becomes such an emminent threat that the safety of our country is in jeopardy then I say we do what needs to be done. Again, not advocating excessive force but I fully support our involvement in Iraq and we need to stay there until the job is done, however long that may be.

Griz
 
I would like to see some evidence of W's mental abilities, besides just your say so. BTW, I don't think MENSA recognizes the SAT's, as qualifying one for membership.

Comparing Clinton getting a BJ to what is going on in Iran and Afghanistan is insulting to ....... just about everyone. Especially the memories of the dead.

Everyone knows WHAT is going on in Iraq. The only question is WHY and What are we going to do. OK, that was two questions.

Bush lied about WMD.

He lied about Iraq trying to get uranium from Niger. The guy who told him there was no uranium deal was James Wilson. That wasn't what W wanted to hear, so he (W) said Iraq DID try to get uranium, knowing it was a lie. When Wilson went public with his story, the Bush camp "leaked" the fact that Wilson's wife was a CIA covert operative, putting her life and others in jeopardy.

Colin Powell himself admits that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

IMO, this is a corrupt administration, not seen since the likes of Nixon. They seem to consider the laws of the land too limiting.
 
With all due respect Ritchie, your answers are very typical of the average consumer who simply relies on the media to provide them with their food. With just the remotest amount of homework you would find that one's SAT was accepted for entry into Mensa. Here you go since you don't want to take my word for it -----> Mensa SAT link

Obviously, at the time George W achieved said SAT score, the above was in place. Heck, for that matter it was in place when I took them!

With regards to good ole Plame, what you just threw out as fact, has not even been established to be so by Fitzgerald yet you so quickly imply that it is fact. Again, I mean no disrespect but I have to refer you back to my original quote:

dutchoven said:
I think more of you need to read up on what is actually going on in Iraq. I have numerous family members serving right now and the stories that they tell are not the stories the media informs us of. We went to war to fight terrorism. We DID NOT go into Afghanistan to simply find Osama. Osama is the poster child for terrorism. How you guys can say that our involvement in Iraq is wrong, with what took place yesterday in Jordan, is beyond comprehendable to me. We were attacked. We struck back and will continue to strike back until either the threat is removed or the liberals take office (keep in mind even they supported the war until we had our first casualty).
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Lastly, no, you obviously did not understand my remarks about hindsight being 20/20. This was not a reference to blow jobs in the oral office. This was simply implying that EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT, both past and present, wishes that they could change things. As we all know, Bill with Monica/whitewater, George H with Sadaam, Reagan with Iran, Carter with his miserable foreign policies/inflation and so on have done things that they regret or wish that they could change. I am sure George W wishes that he could change all of the US lives that have been lost. However, I do believe that these lives lost were not in vain.

Ponder this point just a moment. Why are recruiting goals for the military down? Could it be because the media has so blatantly spread misinformation regarding this war to bring down the sitting President? Heck No! You might say. The recruiting goals are way down because this is an unjust war. Right? Then tell me why rentention goals are through the roof for the military? Could it be because the one's that are serving, the very one's protecting the average uninformed Joe, the very one's that receive the thank you's from the Iraqi children know the truth?

Don't tell me this is an unjust war. The soldiers and most importantly, the people of Iraq tell a much different story.

Griz
 
dutchoven said:
Don't tell me this is an unjust war. The soldiers and most importantly, the people of Iraq tell a much different story.
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With all due respect, you forget the bases for our going to war were the following:
  • Saddam had weapons of mass destruction
  • Saddam was involved in 9/11
Now I only got 1460 on my SAT's (670/790 -- guess I could join Mensa :rolleyes: ) but I believe that neither panned out. So please 'splain in words that this "spoon fed by the media" independent person might understand the "justness" or "justification" for this war. And please stick to the "conservative's" party line as spouted by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al. The soldiers are fed propaganda, just as we are, and frankly they are there under orders from their duly elected commander-in-chief. And I don't give a rat's ass that the majority of Iraqis may be happy that we are there; that is not "justification" for war. If it were then we would be in North Korea, which (incidentally) developed bona fide weapons of mass destruction and means of delivering them to our friends and perhaps to us while we were "busy" ridding Saddam of his non-existent WMD's and "nation building" (something "W" pledged in 2000 never to do).

I have much in common with many conservatives. I own guns (carry concealed almost every day) and I believe in a balanced budget. I also believe in freedom from government's intrusion in my personal decisions. I supported the war because of what my President and his administration told me, not the media. I have come to believe that the intelligence was manipulated and distorted, and that perhaps we were told outright lies. That is why this independent thinker, who voted for Ronald Reagan in 1980 and Bill Clinton twice does not believe there was justification for this war. If our President and his people did not know the truth about WMD's and their non-existence, they should have. That was incompetence. How the war's aftermath was handled has been a disaster, though I do admit that is looking through the "retrospectoscope". Whatever legitimate government emerges in Iraq is likely to be Shiite dominated, and will take it's cues from Iran, a far more dangerous state.

Lastly Griz, and with all due respect, if you believe that what happened in Jordan yesterday is justification for this war you are dead wrong. Those bombings happened as a direct consequence of our occupation of Iraq. Terrorists operate freely there now, and did not prior to our invasion. We have created a poster child for terrorist recruiting with this ongoing occupation.
 
MENSA has not recognized the SAT's in over ten years. My statement was correct.

I get my news mainly from the McNeil/Lehrer Report, the BBC, and yes, the evening news. I am somewhat a news junkie, and I will be the first to agree that American media is often crap. So, I search many different sources, and try to make an informed opinion.

With all due respect to you, Bob, having family members in Iraq, (facing death and bravely serving the US), does not necessarily make you an authority on world politics.

It IS a fact that someone high in the Bush camp (Rove? Cheney?) leaked Plame's name. Fitzgerald's job was to determine WHO. And my money says he will eventually find out.

Lastly, as far as the war being just, well, who's to say. To call it a war seems a little old fashioned. Maybe invasion and armed occupation would be more accurate.
 
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